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[Gravitron]

Split from: Question: Why do not use, SlowFrameCheck?

It's quite simple.

Continuedshit is poorly coded, as such it eats heavily on the cpu.
What printscreen does is tie all the cpu to create a heavy bitmap file (around 1MB or more) and dump it to the memory.
On slower (read: less than P4 with some nice video card and lots of ram) this causes continuedshit to choke, hence the FPS drops to 0 and nothing moves anymore.
As such, the cpu stops to process incoming packets, so your ship might survive an onslaught (though the server ussualy makes sure you die eitherway).

[CypherJF]

Well, when you're alt-tabbed, there is no reason for it to display anything - but rather just focus on the everything else but displaying.

But you're right gravitron, there is something weird about continuums print screen; how it does jump continuum like it does. sigh.

lol.
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[Cyan~Fire]

Continuum never touched 100% CPU while dogfighting or screenshotting in EG on my 1.3gHz CPU, so I don't know what you're talking about.
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[Mr Ekted]

[Phyran]

[Mr Ekted]

What zone is that?

[Phyran]

its currently a dead zone/ a zone in development

i wont want to advertise it until i get things straighten out first
which would be during summer

[CypherJF]

Okay, lets re-analyze where the topic is, compared to what it should be.

talking about some dead-zone.

.vs.

whether or not to use slowframecheck

please discuss other topics elsewhere.

[Gravitron]

Cyan, GG on reading comprehension.

Miss. Erected, try a PIII-667mhz with 512MB ram and geforce4mx going numb whenever I run winamp or give another process attention.

Funny how I could run 20 VIE clients, winamp, mpeg player, deliplayer, divx player, anti virus and still no fps lag or halts.
Not to mention, alt tabs wouldn't cause me to spike 1000ms or more for no apparent reason or get disconnected (read:booted) for packet violations/not responding to server packets for too long.

Go figure, huh?

Also, didn't you do just the skin crap?
So where do you go off telling us about how great continuedshit is coded?
You didn't touch its actual code, so you don't know shit either, yours is just an opinion like mine.
Only that you just trash talk because you can't back up facts.

Go counter it, if you have any real argument.

[Mr Ekted]

I used to play Cont on a P2-350 with a Matrox 16MB card. I got 80 FPS and it never used more than 2-3% cpu AND I ran winamp all the time.

I wrote ALL the code for everything outside of the game itself including chat. You are right. I do not know how the in-game stuff is coded, but I'm not making stupid claims about it either.

[Gravitron]

It's not stupid when we're forced to use a bugged client that no one can fix or add features to because someone is mad tripping about their power and control.

And you didn't play continuedshit, you ran continuedshit.
You run programs, you play visuals and/or audio.
The game is SubSpace.

[D1st0rt]

Hey grav, I thought you were deceased?
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[Cyan~Fire]

This is an utterly stupid debate.

First of all, Continuum does more than Subspace (read: LVZs), so even if it does use more resources, it has an excuse.

Second, Continuum saved Subspace. The VIE client wasn't secure, and thus allowed cheaters. The Continuum client would become insecure if the source code got released/leaked, so Priit keeps control on it. I don't hear anything about the VIE source being spread around. The most I hear are a few disassembly-type things like function offsets and crap. Yet you don't complain about that? I'm sure you knew all of this once, before your pointless crusade against reality set in.

Third, Ekted has access to the binary client just like you and the rest of us do. He also worked with Priit and most probably saw at least a really tiny bit of his programming. He is a programmer. You are not. So let's not go on yelling at him for not knowing what he's talking about, when you know even less.

And just to contribute something to the less-inane discussion, I agree with Phyran.

[Gravitron]

OMG!

You ignorant bores bring the insecurity bullshit excuses one more time and I swear it I'll take my hammer and start bashing you untill there's little less than dust left!

So what if he's a programmer.
Jeff is a programmer, does Jeff know (or knew back at the time) 3D?
Does every programmer know all about linux or windows OS environments?
Does every programmer know network protocols or scripting for SQL databases?
Just because he knows how to code in (I assume) C, doesn't mean he understand everything.
And there's a vast difference between what one can analyse and guess as a "professional" if you can call him that, to what is actually there.
In particular, when it comes to coding, there're so many ways things can be done that to say you know what another has coded without actually seeing the code itself or knowing how the person ussualy write code is preposterous and presumptionous.

I agree that continuedshit has several more features than SS has, it's a given fact, nothing to dispute about it.
But it's as far as it goes too.

[Solo Ace]

Another man with a hammer!

Who cares! Chatting with ccc in PuTTy > Playing Continuum.

[CypherJF]

PuTTy is pretty cool.

[Mr Ekted]

[Mine GO BOOM]

To be honest, Continuum's source code is way to modular from what I've seen. Way too many classes inside classes (not inheritance either) that trying to understand it is complex. Both Grelminar and myself had trouble figuring out what the hell part of it meant for what was needed, and required many emails between him and Priit to get it (encryption) to work correctly. Of course, between each email, a week of time went by.

[Gravitron]

What happens to things which aren't coded right?
They fail and produce bugs.
Guess what, continuedshit is bugged.


If it's so modular there wouldn't be no friggin problem to release the sections which relate to ship classes inorder to allow people to add features without compromising protocol and encryption.
If it's so modular, supporting more than 8 ships should be a breeze.

Bottom line, we're being fed shit.
I for one, will not eat it.

[Mine GO BOOM]

[Phyran]

[CypherJF]

Aye, I was hoping by now someone would either have come up w/ a newer client to replace continuum, which is slightly hard to do now that subgame is a continuum-only (essentially.) server. You might as well start from "scratch"-ish.

I had listed several features I'd like to have seen implemented on SSF; as well as those that Priit had in mind in his original readme for continuum .35? .36. Lots of good time, probably not much time for him, to implement.

It's a shame really but; the game has been going on for almost 10 years. So.. I don't know about you guys, I think it's pretty cool [that its lasted this long with such a simple game].

[Gravitron]

[Cyan~Fire]

I'm only going to respond to the part of your pseudo-argument that I bothered to read.

The fact that Ekted knows how to code makes him more qualified than you at talking about Continuum's code. The same actually applies for me. (Even though my experience is nowhere near Ekted's.)

Edit: pseudo.

[Dr Brain]

Gravitron, the subspace you remember (falsely remember, but remember none the less) is dead. Move on.

The rest of us think Cont is a good thing. You can call it names as much as you like, it doesn't help you or your argument.
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Smong> so long as 99% deaths feel lame it will always be hyperspace to me