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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

i88gerbils wrote:
Can you actually read or do you only quote others & make illogical replies?


I can only quote others and make illogical replies.

i88gerbils wrote:
Let's review Dr. Brain's mistakes as a lesson for those who actually read, but I doubt they need one:

1. "cd zone1"

This is a poor start when trying to help. The correct thing to do, as I stated before is to ask questions to sort out the situation.


He asked a question. "How do I make it valid?". Next time I'll ask him "how does that make you feel?" instead of proving the most likely answer for the situation when I am crunched for time.

i88gerbils wrote:
The sentence above is an example of assuming the situation instead of providing practical & contextual advice.

2. Explanation of 1 after someone tries it & doesn't get very far.

This explains the incompetence of #1 even more so by suggesting that the poster was unable to comprehend the situation.


I'll admit I can't comprehend what you're saying here.

i88gerbils wrote:
3. Suggesting upgrading software from a distro-specific method.


What happened to "practical & contextual advice?"

i88gerbils wrote:
The incompetence of the poster was further revealed after the advice seeker mentioned they were on Slackware, not Gentoo.


Next time I'll ask him which distro, wait 12 hours, and get back to him saying I don't have any idea how to help him... Yah.

i88gerbils wrote:
Okay, so now that we know how not to help out with examples from Dr. Brain, we can figure out how to correctly get Donkano up & running w/ asss.


Let me guess, wipe it and start over? I love you tech support guys. So very helpful. That's why they pay me, so that they don't have to call tech support and deal with you and your cohorts.

i88gerbils wrote:
Grelminar did a good job in suggesting to try the binaries instead. Another good example is by making sure our friend can follow the wiki instructions for Server Setup, which I noted above.


Notice that grel assumed that Donkano didn't need to have it compiled for some reason? Also, using your (flawed) logic, one can say grel is totally incompetent because his suggestion FAILED.

i88gerbils wrote:
Our final lesson is that, through the 3 examples of bad supporting above, is to not confuse a user w/ all sorts of unnecessary information as seen in this reply by Donakano, "Okay, since I can't do this on my own (obviously), I'll wait 3 days to see if anyone knows how to get me on my way. If not, I will switch back to SubGamOkay, since I can't do this on my own (obviously), I'll wait 3 days to see if anyone knows how to get me on my way. If not, I will switch back to SubGame with Catid's biller.e with Catid's biller." If this were a business, we would have just given a refund. Thanks Dr. Brain.


Is English your first language? I only understood the last two sentences.

I've never done anything to you beyond respond to your flaming. I don't really know what you have against, me, but it's obviously personal, because you didn't pick up on the other things people were doing on this thread that you've directly criticized me about (grelminar *assumed* he wasn't doing core work without asking, and solo ace insulted him). After this, you'll be on my ignore list and I'll never do anything to you again.

BTW, it's Dr Brain. No period after Dr.

Donkano, if you need help, come by hyperspace tonight and I'll see what I can do to help. This thread has been utterly destroyed.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

i88gerbils wrote:
Grelminar did a good job in suggesting to try the binaries instead. Another good example is by making sure our friend can follow the wiki instructions for Server Setup, which I noted above.


Grelminar's suggestion didn't work as I stated above, and the Wikipedia ASSS Server Setup Guide didn't work as you can see above too with all those errors.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Donkano, come into hyperspace, I'll help you in game.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Okay, I can't make it tonight because my Dad is hogging the other comp to himself tonight tongue.gif

It is the only computer in the house with Windows XP.

But tomorrow I am going to see about installing Windows XP on this computer and place it on a 40 gig drive while Linux will sit on a 20 gig drive.

And I will use Lilo for booting because I heard it is more flexible than Windows' way of booting.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Have fun. It's a pain in the ass if you don't know what you're doing.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

It's pretty obvious I'm talking about process here. Once again Dr Brain fails to even READ my posts. I can only assume that he's an idiot when it comes to this sort of thing. By his further posts he was unable to follow a step-by-step guide to improving himself. Oh well, even if I am ignored I'll keep on trying to help him out.

One thing that annoys me about his self-proclaimed superiority is that he gives no references to back himself up. Take a look here:

"What happened to 'practical & contextual advice?'" makes no sense. When you are trying to help someone you don't automatically assume their operating system or software. It's just not done. If you don't know how to help you just don't post instead of fucking up the situation.

In defense of "wiping and starting over" I was trying to RESTART this whole thread & attempt at installing asss because someone had made too many assumptions & confused the hell out of the person asking for help. It's amazing how smart someone can be in understanding technical information, but how utterly incompetent they are when trying to apply that knowledge. Dr Brain tries again & again to refute the obvious statements that are trying to HELP HIM, but he takes things too personally himself. Thanks to his fuckup, yes, the thread has been utterly destroyed.

You'll notice I was the first one to ask about the "displaying nothing" statement, but hey, nobody else picked up or answered that one.


--------- Summary ----------

The point of this flame was that Dr Brain was upset at being told that the original support posts of his were meaningless to the situation, and had to lash out. Unfortunately, he still fails to comprehend what he did wrong even when pointed out clearly. Also, I find it poor form that he cannot take criticism, and possibly improve. I'll say it again, better luck next time newb.

And yes, I'll admit to the typos Today. It was not my best, but nonetheless better than anything Dr Brain tried to do.

Lastly, "I can only quote others and make illogical replies" (Dr Brain 2005). I'll remember that one for later. Sarcasm doesn't transfer too well in type if you don't place a smiley next to it.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

This thread deserves a big emot-lol.gif
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Donkano wrote:
That does nothing.


Could you be a little specific about what exactly it does? I don't believe it literally does "nothing". Would it be possible to get a transcript of exactly what you tried running and the results, starting from the point where you extracted the tarball?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

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Hold on a minute. Why are you trying to compile asss? The 1.4.0 package from the web site includes perfectly good linux binaries.
I wrote something similar to this but must have forgotten to press submit icon_sad.gif
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Grelminar wrote:
You should just extract the 1.4.0 tarball, cd into that directory, and run "bin/asss".


Okay, I extract it fine, then I went to the directory of: /Server/asss-1.4.0/bin/ through the KDE and I double-clicked on "asss" and nothing happened/.

I went into Run Command from my programs menu and typed in: file:/Server/asss-1.4.0/bin/asss and all that happened is the Run Command window closed.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I see your problem now. You can't run asss like a GUI program.

open a shell (sometimes called a terminal) and type this in at the command prompt:

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$ cd /Server/asss-1.4.0/
$ bin/asss


As a bonus, the window won't close if asss dies for some reason, and you can post the error message.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Okay, it worked, now I will have to go in and test it, also, can someone tell me how I wold host other zones that will be connected to this zone?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

By connected do you mean part of the same zone? So the other zone is just a subarena?

Or do you mean so that they all share the same binaries and just run with different configs+arenas? (Standard hosting)
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Dr Brain wrote:
By connected do you mean part of the same zone? So the other zone is just a subarena?

Or do you mean so that they all share the same binaries and just run with different configs+arenas? (Standard hosting)


Option 2.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

much better. :)

Make sure that ap_multipub is uncommented in modules.conf if you would like multiple arenas that act like different zones.

Then create an arena directory for each in the arenas/ folder with a unique name. To see what an arena directory should look like you can "cp "(default)" myarenaname" and then make changes from there.

You can then specify which arenas will act like independent zones in the global.conf under the General section.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

i88gerbils wrote:
Make sure that ap_multipub is uncommented in modules.conf if you would like multiple arenas that act like different zones.


No good, I want actual ZONES.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Donkano wrote:
No good, I want actual ZONES.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

i88gerbils wrote:
much better. icon_smile.gif

Make sure that ap_multipub is uncommented in modules.conf if you would like multiple arenas that act like different zones.

Then create an arena directory for each in the arenas/ folder with a unique name. To see what an arena directory should look like you can "cp "(default)" myarenaname" and then make changes from there.

You can then specify which arenas will act like independent zones in the global.conf under the General section.


Wait, wait, you complain about me and then go and totally ignore his reply to my question?




What you have to do, Donkano, is to create a bunch of directories. One for each zone you want to host. For example, we'll call one zone1. In the asss directory you can
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$ mkdir zone1


and then

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$ cp -R conf arenas maps clients zone1/
$ cd zone1
$ mkdir logs data
$ ln -s ../bin bin


to copy the current zone's stuff into zone1. I don't bother to copy the logs or the player scores with the above commands.

then you can cd into zone1 and just "bin/asss" like normal.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Thanks a lot Dr Brain, it worked great. icon_cool.gif

Also, as another question, how do I get my server to show up in the listings with ASSS?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Uncomment the directory module in conf/modules.conf.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Thanks Smong. icon_smile.gif

I take it I have to make .lvl files on a non-linux box or is SSME linux compatible?

And hopefully, my last question...

/Server/asss-1.4.0/arenas/scf/

It has a .lvl file which is really just the tileset image and it has a .conf file in there.

Why I am asking is, why is the tileset seperate and why is it labelled as .lvl ???
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

CLIT works for LVL files in Linux. I have not tested the latest version for LVZ support.

A LVL file may contain a Bitmap image, which is the tileset, and also the level file. That's why if you open up a LVL file in an image program it may show the Bitmap file only.

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It was my understanding that the preferred method for running multiple "zones" on asss was through ap_multipub. My mistake.
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