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[Gravitron]

Uh...you do realise that disillusioned means not having a dream-like perception of reality and/or being disappointed.

Hyperspace wasn't original, it was just the first to thought of implementing it in the continuum environment.

RPG/credits based warfare is an old idea.
And fact is, the Infantry engine could create it back at 98-99 or so.

Maybe instead of working on continuedshit you should take the INF server to hand and start disassembling and decrypting its protocol and emulating it.

[i88gerbils]

5 years? newb. :P

I do not have the energy to properly flame you like I do most people, but if I did... Ooh, I just gave myself goosebumps.
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[SuSE]

[Solo Ace]

As if it's something to brag about to play the same game for many years.
Nein.

[SuSE]

Ya, but newbs don't realize that, Solo.

[Gravitron]

Why is the trencher susyQ talking about newbies?
Where's my ignore button...

LoL gerbil, your threats are so empty, you couldn't flame an EG staff newb, you wouldn't know how to, you don't have the flamer in you.
After all, you spend all your time in ASWZ.

[SuSE]

ummm...I don't play Trench

o O (Why am I trying to make sense of some fool raghead? )

[D1st0rt]

I find that there is a lack of respect in some of the smaller zones for the people that do the programming, and towards hosts. I can't count how many times somebody has come to the board and said "I need a host for my zone. Here is my email" and then got angry when someone didn't respond within 24 hours.

Another thing is that some of the special plugins are what make zones unique. If everyone had the exact same plugins, there would be even more clone zones now than there already are and they would all suck outside of the fact that they had this cool plugin. Believe it or not, trench releases most of their bots with the distribution of the TWCore, because they realize that the bot doesn't make the zone, it is something that expands and complements an existing zone.

I don't know why you're decompiling MERV, when you can just download the source. How your friend is going to acquire all of these plugins is also a mystery. There are some zones coughBF1942cough that have crazy paranoid administrations that wont give the binaries of their plugins to their own development team.

I would advise your friend not to make any public appearances, or else he will most likely be spammed out of existance by every noob who wants some plugin to be made in 5 seconds from some other zone they saw.

Finally, instead of contributing to the community by hacking other people's stuff, why don't you help with the development of asss? It's already gaining momentum and once enough people realize the capabilities and power they will want to switch. Then all of your merv plugins will be of no use and you will have done all of that work for nothing.

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[-Smong-]

Power.. now there's a good tagline for asss, surely that will increase interest.

[Mine GO BOOM]

[D1st0rt]

[Phyran]

why not just make a "plugin maker", a program that simplifies most of the coding


something like a GUI to make the plugins

think StarCraft Map Editor and its scripting/triggers

once made....everyone that has some sense of logic and dont know how to code can make their own unique plugins

[CypherJF]

I actually thought about it; but realized, they might as well learn enough C++ to do w/e.
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[Phyran]

[Dr Brain]

Right, I promised a post, so here it is:

The decline in population stems from one fact. Everything else is a byproduct of it. The source is the lack of client development. The slowdown in every other area can be attributed to it.

Development gets people excited. Most players don't see the effect first hand, but they can feel the energy it creates third or fourth hand. That energy is a good thing, it helps create an active community. Without energy, zone communities slowly drift apart.

The lack of energy has lead to a slowdown in rate of creation of what I like to call zero point zones. Zones that come into existence and then promptly disappear, but leave thier small mark on the world. Most die, but a few live on to mature into good zones to replace the old ones. Zones are always being created and zones are always dying. The only thing that matters is that they happen at the same rate.

Because there are fewer zones being created, more tension exists between developing zones, creating the phenomna that you noted, with programmers being stingy with their source code.

Stagnation of the client is the main reason for the decay of constructive energy. Though anything that will generate community wide enthusiasm will probably revive the game.
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Smong> so long as 99% deaths feel lame it will always be hyperspace to me

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http://shanky.com/server/vie/
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[Gravitron]

Distort, I agree that smaller zones more often than not show disrespect.

A plugin might make a zone unique, but alone it is not the entire zone.
I say, let the best clone win.
You have other variables, like talented staff, decent staff.
If a clone can produce better maps, perfect their settings and the staff aren't abusive assholes, then I see no reason why there shouldn't be clone competition.
It's what needed to keep the jerks inline and make them improve their zone as well as their behaviour.

I don't know if the TWCore is the one I think of that priit made, but I do recall there was a bot priit and/or GS made which they cried about that there's absolutely no way in hell they'll ever release its source because it'll be a security risk.
I wonder what has changed...

ASSS has enough development from Grem, I suppose.
Eitherway, it's a server source, it works and it's out there.
What we need mostly is client support, so get a client source out there.

As for that picture, LoL, but given the conotation of it, it would suit continuum more.
ASSS isn't evil...



MGB, what I mean is that the core MirandaIM that is being officially released for download is a dead skeleton.
I know they're pumping out plugins like a bakery.
But it looks kinda bad when the core is so featureless and about a year or so old.
They should recompile a newer version with some of the plugins already in-code.


Phyran, coding a 4th generation scripting GUI is harder than coding the actual plugins.
What you are asking is to create something not far in analogy from vB or QB and others.
Blitz...I dunno.
It's a waste of time.
Bottom line, you need to know coding, either you know and can do it, or you can't.

[Phyran]

[Gravitron]

And you absolutely had to quote the entire thing to write down just one line because?

I guess MGB was write in cutting quotes within quotes.


Yeah Phyran, and to code an intuitive scripting environment with a GUI, testing it, debugging it, featurizing it, and adding a compiler will just take about, oh, two or so years by which then you could produce a hundred or so plugins.

[Smong]

Even if there was a scriptable bot, you still can't remove the element of programming still needed to make a plugin.

Look at the problems people have to today, like putting their server and biller on the same port, and failing to use the add custom zone button.

If they can't do those two things correctly I doubt they can use any sort of scripting language even if it is behind a GUI.

[D1st0rt]

TWCore was written by DoCk>, Sphonk, 2dragons, Mythrandir, (some other people I can't remember), with parts by myself as well.

Phyran, maybe you can convince the people at RedStar to give you a copy of their VB Bot?

[Gravitron]

Ah, I knew it wasn't the secretive bot they won't release.

Ops, I wrote write instead of right again, tee hee hee.

Yeah smong, it's what I said before.
EzScript GUI or not, you'll still need to have a friggin clue about coding or scripting to be able to do anything with it.
It's not like doing settings for a zone (which even there people have problems), even with vB you can't create a cool ass map editor if you got no jack clue about coding, so there.

RedStar, hahaha.
A newb zone full of pompus newbs with delusions of grandiure.
They're pathetic easy losers without skill or brain.
I don't know what kind of suck ass bot they got there, but I bet they think it's the second coming.
LoL.
Bot or no bot, they zone suck ass one way or the other.

[D1st0rt]

They actually dropped it for TWCore, they don't use their VB Bot anymore

[i88gerbils]

Having to wait til Miranda 1.0 for OSCAR support is not acceptable. The developers don't really know where to place thier priorities I think. I used to like Miranda IM, but gAIM for windows doesn't crash like it used to. The gAIM library seems to be a bit more multi-platform (Mac OS X, X.org, Windows). The sad thing is that their losing PERL plugin support, slowly. :( Kind of like my wish for perl scripting for asss (cause i'm too dumb to learn python).

[SuSE]

just write your modules in C - to hell with Grel's suggestions