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[Guest]

Is it possible to have bots on ASSS, and i am confused about this "module" thing, as a plugin for asss instead of bots, and how do you make modules/is it easy?

[Dr Brain]

Yes, you can use MERV in asss. Some of the plugins wont work, but it's easy to fix them up if you have the source. It's mostly a matter of changing *arena to *aa.

Yes, modules are basicly the same thing as bot plugins, with much more powerful options.

Making modules is easy once you learn how. Unfortunatly, there isn't much documentation to go by. It comes down to trial and error, and then practice.
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[Mr Ekted]

The fact that ASSS does not support all Subgame commands as-is will seriously delay its adoption.
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[D1st0rt]

but there are many work-arounds. For example if you were making an elim module, you can't scorereset. However, you CAN edit player stats so that they have 0 kills and 0 deaths. If this works the way I think it should, it would preserve points, which I think is better
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[D1st0rt]

It hasn't been fully implemented yet, I had to add the above function when I was writing an elim module.

[Grelminar]

You pretty much shouldn't ever be using stats->SetStat (which is what it sounds like you're using). If you want to reset everyone's score after an elim round, you should be doing something like persist->EndInterval(NULL, arena, INTERVAL_RESET) instead. Note that using INTERVAL_RESET is a hack: it really should be INTERVAL_GAME, but Cont doesn't currently support multiple stat intervals.

[Grelminar]

I disagree that not supporting all subgame commands will have any affect on asss adoption. It's easy for human mods to learn the differences, so it could only affect bots. It seems to me that if a zone wants to switch, modifying their bots to use a few new commands would be one of the easier things to worry about. And using bots with asss is only a short-term solution anyway, while they work on integrating whatever their bots did into asss with modules.

Btw, I know the state of documentation is kind of pitiful. I'm working on it, slowly, so it might be a few weeks before I have anything to present.

[Mr Ekted]

Code: Show/Hide persist->EndInterval(NULL, arena, INTERVAL_RESET)

Is this a typical example of how "intuitive" the ASSS API is? Why not:

Code: Show/Hide ResetScores(...)

[Mr Ekted]

[Dr Brain]

The persist module stores data between intervals. After the interval, the data is reset. This comes in really handy for all kinds of things. Like the jackpot isn't lost on a recycle/crash.

ASSS also accepts * command prefixes. Just sysops/mods get used to ? because it's easier to remember.

*somecommand will do exactly the same thing as ?somecommand. Of course that doesn't apply to client commands like *go, *sound, *music, etc.

Why trust anyone's binary? Compile it yourself.

PB sounds like it doesn't have an abstraction layer in it. The TWCore has one, so only a quick 5 miniute core change is required to make 99% of all bots work without change. The other 1% use commands that aren't part of ASSS.

And you'll want to port your bots to ASSS some day, anyhow. Assuming of course that you ever use ASSS.

[Mr Ekted]

I don't want to change my bots or the bot core to make it work with ASSS. I want ASSS to change so the bots stay the same. I want all my bot ! commands to work as is. That is the point.

[Cyan~Fire]

I personally think the using '?' for server commands makes no sense. There should be a difference between server and client commands.
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[Dr Brain]

*sheep
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etc?


Ekted: If you aren't looking to change your bots, ASSS isn't for you anyway.

[Grelminar]

Come on Ek, now you're just being difficult. I removed ! as a command prefix months ago, because of suggestions from you and others.

Nobody claimed the api is "intuitive." Some parts (like persist) are complicated because they do complicated things. That particular function has three parameters because, amazingly enough, you can use it to do slightly different things based on the parameters you pass it. I hope you'd agree that making one EndInterval function with a parameter is better than making several ResetGameScores, ResetResetScores, etc. functions.

Any decent host will end up compiling it themself anyway, so I don't understand your point about trust. Even people running on subgame have to trust their host.

Regarding making changes to (the core of) asss, I hope very few people will ever have to do that. The point is that they should write modules that just add on and not have to touch the core. So who's going to do that? Well, once I finish the api documentation, hopefully some more than are doing it now. But eventually I hope lots of people will, except they'll write modules in python instead of C, so that they're easier to write and safer to run.

[Mr Ekted]

Yes, but using a function because you want to invoke its side effects is just as bad as the current server. Ending something should not be linked in any way to scores at the API level. If you want to reset scores, you shouldn't have to end anything. You should be be able to reset a player's score, a team's score, all scores, etc. without any other side effects.

I would hope that you will be hosting the current binaries somewhere for each OS. It's silly to make every zone go through that BS. Is there a Windows build for ASSS that is Catid/MGB-untouched?

[CypherJF]

I don't understand why ASSS doesnt follow subgame commands:

*arena should be simply that, *arena
?arena should be the client command for arena attrevial; etc. etc.

My 2 cents, although it's not worth anything..
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[D1st0rt]

Is that stuff in pymod.c?

Also, are there any existing python modules available to examine?

[Dr Brain]

[Grelminar]

[-Smong-]

[Mr Ekted]

[-Smong-]

@Mr. Ekted
Do you mean reseting scores for specific players in a specific arena (fx: everyone currently in arena elim not in spec)? I don't think per player resetting is implemented yet (it would be used in ?scorereset if it was).

@Grelminar
With this interval thing, when you end 'interval reset' can you then retrieve total kills ever and total kills since last reset (or a specific reset)? I would imagine to save harddisk space the player's entry is deleted from the DB instead of setting some values to 0 making this impossible.

[Grelminar]

[Explody]

There is a pure 1.1.2 on my website. It was compiled by Dr Brain, not this tweak-it-untill-it-compiles merv guy.