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Cookieteam - Mon May 10, 2004 11:23 am
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Is Continuum copyright? Im just wondering as I am making something that uses the name. If it is could anyone tell me who owns it and what there email is plz. Thanks.

Anonymous - Mon May 10, 2004 11:51 am
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No matter what they tell you, truth is it's as much copyrighted as my left testicle.

Go for it, do a better job, and make a cooler application.

Cookieteam - Mon May 10, 2004 11:52 am
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right.... Thanks for that info. So it is copyright or it isnt?

SuSE - Mon May 10, 2004 12:05 pm
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Quote:

however I don't think they really care if you TRY to make your own client

Cookieteam - Mon May 10, 2004 12:06 pm
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ok thanks. I may aswell use Continuum as my name. But ill stick a word on the start like Mobile Continuum or something. If they mind I will change the name.

Anonymous - Mon May 10, 2004 12:48 pm
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Like I said sonny boy, listen to the vet.
That (c) is fake as shit.
And means less than that.

Last thing you should do is get scared from a nameless afro-ho who's wanted by the FBI and a baldy who put some wannabe (c) on some wannabe client for a free PIRATED game (face it, you all play SS ILLEGALLY, continuum itself is ILLEGAL) which no one gave enough shit about to do anything with and/or about it.

Trust me, use continuum, be happy with it.
No one's coming after you.

Cookieteam - Mon May 10, 2004 1:14 pm
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Yes... Right.... Thanks for that wonderful insight into Copyrighting and the Law.

As I said I will go ahead using the name Continuum.

Thanks.

Anonymous - Mon May 10, 2004 1:26 pm
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Why yes, you're so much superior in your understanding.
I mean, you know copyright law and all, so of course, you would know that it's so copyrighted, the minute you use continuum cops would come and bang down your door.
Oh btw, Gravitron(c)2004, can't use it.

<_<

Cookieteam - Mon May 10, 2004 2:03 pm
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Sorry if I insulted your knowledege of copyrighting and law. I didnt mean to, I just thought I would ask before i get sued or something.

Sorry Grravitron

Dr Brain - Mon May 10, 2004 2:17 pm
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They can't copyright the name contiuum. They can trademark it, but they didn't.

Copyright means you can't copy and redistribute it without permission.

Cookieteam - Mon May 10, 2004 2:30 pm
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So in otherwords, I can stick the name Continuum on as many things as I like as long as I dont give any one the Continuum Client.

Ok.

Thanks.

Mine GO BOOM - Mon May 10, 2004 2:39 pm
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In legal cases, which they won't care about, if you use the name Continuum on a produce or service that isn't related to this client in anyway, you are fine. Examples would be if you make T-Shirt printing store named Continuum or used it for versions of a game, like Starcraft: Continuum.

If you made a client that plays in Subspace zones, and called it Continuum, they could target you with a suit. But the problem is, Continuum isn't proven in a court to be legal in the first place (clone of Subspace), so it won't matter.

If you are hoping to replace Continuum for a new client for the public to use, I'd recommend making a new name, otherwise players would get confused, and most zone operators wouldn't even give your client a chance.

If you are trying to make a bot or chat client, and use something like Continuum Bots or The Continuum Chat Client, its fine, though don't do it with a company that has lawyers on staff.

Cookieteam - Mon May 10, 2004 2:44 pm
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So im fine then. What I am hoping to make has nothing to do with the zones that work on windows. Im just using the name Conntinuum in the program title.

Thanks.

SuSE - Mon May 10, 2004 2:45 pm
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ya...don't use the exact same name

Cookieteam - Mon May 10, 2004 2:47 pm
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Im not going to. Im using Something Continuum.

Thanks.

Anonymous - Mon May 10, 2004 3:02 pm
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Like I said, this has nothing really to do with copyright laws, but more with the actual internal details of what goes on with SubSpace, or more specifically, the continuum client being illegal and it's (c) most dubious and unproveable in court, as MGB said.

Anonymous - Mon May 10, 2004 3:05 pm
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Besides, due to the new "home security" theme-state the USA is now at, if anyone try to prosecute anyone over something copyrighted to Priit (a FBI wanted), they're most likely to find themselves in jail for colaboration with a wanted (whatever the FBI declared him as).

Mr Ekted - Mon May 10, 2004 3:21 pm
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The copyright is for the software, which is all written from scratch. Any media you create (text, music, video) is basically automatically copyrighted.

The name Continuum is not trademarked (by us at least) in any way. Go for it.

I'm curious though why Grav thinks Continuum (the exe and dll's) is illegal. They are from scratch. Copying a look and feel is perfectly legal. Open Office word processor looks like Word and reads/writes Word documents. Etc.

Cookieteam - Mon May 10, 2004 3:47 pm
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Ok I will thanks. If I am making something is it okay to use the ship names and the weapon names?

Anonymous - Mon May 10, 2004 3:49 pm
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Aside from some obvious though might not very litigeous(sp) reasons:
Simple fact is - in the making of continuum (the simple making of it) and the reverse engineering/otherwise debbuging/and etc. you did in the process of making it = You breached the SS EULA.

To add sin to wrong, you (you/priit/both) actually had the nerves of copying the SS EULA while conviniently omitting parts of it which did not suit your own needs for use as the continuum EULA, which I find downright disgraceful, disrespectful, and I'm sure that, in some way, illegal.

Anonymous - Mon May 10, 2004 3:54 pm
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Well cookie, it goes like this:

Those who really own SS are actually BDE's owners.
Right now we have suspicions that Priit sold out (continuum) to them, but we don't know the specifics.
So, if you were to say make a game for profit purposes called the same, and use same intellectual material (names and items), you might get one day sued or served with a cease and desist.

I can say though, as to this day no one got sued over SS that, you PROBABLY won't get into trouble if you do it.

Now, last I knew, Repel, Burst, Brick, Thor's Hammer, Ion Cannons and Dark Matter bombs and etc. were nothing of a (c) nor (tm) material, so feel free to use those (if any, thor's hammer is copyrighted to marvel or whatever comic/viking publishing).

Cookieteam - Mon May 10, 2004 3:56 pm
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Ok. Thanks

Mr Ekted - Mon May 10, 2004 3:57 pm
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So if this is such a terrible thing, why don't you rip on MERV or other bots for the same things? The fact is you hate the Subspace Community in its existing manifestation, and are using this dubious method to criticize it. You hate the game so much, yet you feel compelled to hang around and flame rather than move on.

Anonymous - Mon May 10, 2004 3:58 pm
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In addition, to negate what Ekted has said:
Just because you create something (like what I just type herein now) does not nessecarily make it automatically copyrighted.

First, you have actually prove in court (incase it gets to it) that you are indeed the original creator.
That this is an intellectual property which belongs to you, and is a direct deriviative of your own private thought.
Just because I say "apple" does not make it copyrighted to me.

Second, you need to actually have it copyrighted at the corrosponding govermental/whatever office.
For which you pay a certain fee (depending on the peripheral you wish to have it copyrighted at, larger and more covering = more $) and fill a mountain of paperwork.
You can't just throw (c) tags to stuff and say it's yours.
And if someone can get there and do it before you (ussually it's done by specializing lawyers, BTW) and can somehow prove he made it first, it's their property then.

Anonymous - Mon May 10, 2004 4:06 pm
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Want me to "rip on MERV"? Fine.
It's now 23:00, I'm submitting to bed, got a job tommarrow to attend to, you know.
I'll get up at 5 in the morning or so, or when I get back from work, re-review the SS EULA, and tell you what I think.
Although there's nothing much to "rip on MERV" about.
Either it's legal, or illegal.
As for the code work, there's room for improvement, always is in everything.
And I'm no coding expert to criticize him, nor do I have other bots to compare it to.
Ask catID though, I neg him a few for couple years now about logging features.

But if you want to make it personal:
MERV doesn't create gameplay interferances.
MERV doesn't create problems due to lag handling.
MERV doesn't has to make SS (the game) go, only add features to the existing.
MERV is (I think, last I checked) open sourced.
MERV is easily workable with plugins and thus forth for other uses.
MERV wasn't created to replace all other bots and localize control under its creator's thumb.
MERV didn't cry that the other bots are illegal for use and it's a must and needed inorder to stop cheating and become legal gaming experience.
MERV didn't force itself on everyone and told them they shouldn't run other bots nor allow them to use other bots in conjunction with it.

But, just because you wanted to get personal about it.
Otherwise, forget it.

Mr Ekted - Mon May 10, 2004 4:19 pm
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Grav I'm talking about reverse engineering SS to make the bots. MERV exists because of lots of ASM rips.

Mr Ekted - Mon May 10, 2004 4:21 pm
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Grav(FU OL) wrote:

This is all incorrect. Creation = copyright. Period.

Anonymous - Mon May 10, 2004 4:22 pm
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Now I'll do ekted> catid is satan!

Now ekted will go and do:
Gravitron> ssc is satan!

Like mgb thought or whatever, that I think ekted is the devil.
Well, this is where you're dead wrong.
I don't think you're devils, heck no, devils are smart.
You're just a bunch of prickish idiotic lame bum power mongering fucks who ruin the game for their own greed of some virtual godplay environment.
You can be 50 years old, you're still about as mature as bruce willies and demi moore.

Anonymous - Mon May 10, 2004 4:26 pm
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Ah huh, sure it is Ekted.
Hey look microsoft.
OMG! microsoft(c).
Wow, I'm now a millionaire!

Wait...wait...
SubSpace(c)
Now you all have to pay me royalties for playing.

MINGAKAJAKAKA!(c)

And all those trials and copyright laws, they never existed, I mean, if I created something, it's automatically mine.
People who lose copyrights, even they WERE the original creators, who cares, ekted just declared it all to not be true nor exist!(c).

To end like the reg,

Ekted has a major in law, don't mess with his rights.®

<_<

Anonymous - Mon May 10, 2004 4:31 pm
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Mr Ekted - Mon May 10, 2004 4:33 pm
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You don't even know me. All I did was volunteer my time to help Subspace. I sit quietly in Powerball, not abusing anything. I don't even have L1 bang ops. I have virtually no control over Continuum. I am one of the most outspoken opponents of the current SSC system. I do not hate other bot cores, or in any way try to prevent or control their use.

Subgame and the VIE client are out there. Anyone is free to use them. We only offered another choice. Ever zone switched. Why? Because any zone still using the old system would have died long ago from cheating, and Cont offers more features. Ask ANY zone host why they are using Cont instead of VIE. It's got nothing to do with me.

Mr Ekted - Mon May 10, 2004 4:35 pm
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You have to create something original fool. Of course it can be taken to court. But the point is, you don't need to do paperwork like with trademarks or patents. You just put (c) on your work.

Dustpuppy - Tue May 11, 2004 4:57 am
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My understanding is that Ekted is correct.
As soon as you produce anything, it is automatically copyrighted to you. But I don't think you can claim monetary damages unless you register the copyright.

Anonymous - Tue May 11, 2004 10:06 am
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Oh, is that so mis(s)-erected, ephasis on the missy?
Funny, I've heard otherwise.

Noted hereby that, those who cannot contain twister-induced cheating due to allowing the use of Jeff's official client, are down right amatuers and their security capabilities as ops, of any level, in the zone are most lacking and dubious.

Take your "fool" and shove it where the sun doesn't shine, baldy.

Cyan~Fire - Tue May 11, 2004 4:17 pm
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OK I'm not quite getting your point, but are you saying that everyone should allow Subspace and then manually hunt down the cheaters?

Anonymous - Fri May 14, 2004 6:46 am
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Cyan~Fire wrote:

are you saying that everyone should allow Subspace and then manually hunt down the cheaters?

They are saying there is a choice. And a lot of the time the ops go for ctm only, either through ignorance or to prevent cheating. BTW I don't know what the policy is on SSC zones allowing VIE in.

Mine GO BOOM - Fri May 14, 2004 11:06 am
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Anonymous wrote:

BTW I don't know what the policy is on SSC zones allowing VIE in.

Each zone is allowed to choose if they want VIE or not, but since most zones are going the path of wanting 2meg worth of useless replacement images for their EMP explosion, they almost always choose to not let VIE clients in. Plus, they are also don't want other people's bots in their zones.