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Cookieteam · Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 11:23 am *Post maybe stupid* Post subject: Copyright?

Is Continuum copyright? Im just wondering as I am making something that uses the name. If it is could anyone tell me who owns it and what there email is plz. Thanks.

Grav(FU OL) · Guest Offline

No matter what they tell you, truth is it's as much copyrighted as my left testicle.

Go for it, do a better job, and make a cooler application.

Cookieteam · Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 11:52 am *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

right.... Thanks for that info. So it is copyright or it isnt?

SuSE · Me measures good Joined: Dec 02 2002 Posts: 2307 Offline

Cookieteam · Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 12:06 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

ok thanks. I may aswell use Continuum as my name. But ill stick a word on the start like Mobile Continuum or something. If they mind I will change the name.

Grav(FU OL) · Guest Offline

Like I said sonny boy, listen to the vet.
That (c) is fake as shit.
And means less than that.

Last thing you should do is get scared from a nameless afro-ho who's wanted by the FBI and a baldy who put some wannabe (c) on some wannabe client for a free PIRATED game (face it, you all play SS ILLEGALLY, continuum itself is ILLEGAL) which no one gave enough shit about to do anything with and/or about it.

Trust me, use continuum, be happy with it.
No one's coming after you.

Cookieteam · Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 1:14 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Yes... Right.... Thanks for that wonderful insight into Copyrighting and the Law.

As I said I will go ahead using the name Continuum.

Thanks.

Grav(FU OL) · Guest Offline

Why yes, you're so much superior in your understanding.
I mean, you know copyright law and all, so of course, you would know that it's so copyrighted, the minute you use continuum cops would come and bang down your door.
Oh btw, Gravitron(c)2004, can't use it.

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Cookieteam · Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 2:03 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Sorry if I insulted your knowledege of copyrighting and law. I didnt mean to, I just thought I would ask before i get sued or something.

Sorry Grravitron

Dr Brain · Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 2:17 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

They can't copyright the name contiuum. They can trademark it, but they didn't.

Copyright means you can't copy and redistribute it without permission.
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Cookieteam · Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 2:30 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

So in otherwords, I can stick the name Continuum on as many things as I like as long as I dont give any one the Continuum Client.

Ok.

Thanks.

Mine GO BOOM · Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 2:39 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

In legal cases, which they won't care about, if you use the name Continuum on a produce or service that isn't related to this client in anyway, you are fine. Examples would be if you make T-Shirt printing store named Continuum or used it for versions of a game, like Starcraft: Continuum.

If you made a client that plays in Subspace zones, and called it Continuum, they could target you with a suit. But the problem is, Continuum isn't proven in a court to be legal in the first place (clone of Subspace), so it won't matter.

If you are hoping to replace Continuum for a new client for the public to use, I'd recommend making a new name, otherwise players would get confused, and most zone operators wouldn't even give your client a chance.

If you are trying to make a bot or chat client, and use something like Continuum Bots or The Continuum Chat Client, its fine, though don't do it with a company that has lawyers on staff.

Cookieteam · Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 2:44 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

So im fine then. What I am hoping to make has nothing to do with the zones that work on windows. Im just using the name Conntinuum in the program title.

Thanks.

SuSE · Me measures good Joined: Dec 02 2002 Posts: 2307 Offline

ya...don't use the exact same name

Cookieteam · Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 2:47 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Im not going to. Im using Something Continuum.

Thanks.

Grav(FU OL) · Guest Offline

Like I said, this has nothing really to do with copyright laws, but more with the actual internal details of what goes on with SubSpace, or more specifically, the continuum client being illegal and it's (c) most dubious and unproveable in court, as MGB said.

Grav(FU OL) · Guest Offline

Besides, due to the new "home security" theme-state the USA is now at, if anyone try to prosecute anyone over something copyrighted to Priit (a FBI wanted), they're most likely to find themselves in jail for colaboration with a wanted (whatever the FBI declared him as).

Mr Ekted · Movie Geek Gender: Joined: Feb 09 2004 Posts: 1379 Offline

The copyright is for the software, which is all written from scratch. Any media you create (text, music, video) is basically automatically copyrighted.

The name Continuum is not trademarked (by us at least) in any way. Go for it.

I'm curious though why Grav thinks Continuum (the exe and dll's) is illegal. They are from scratch. Copying a look and feel is perfectly legal. Open Office word processor looks like Word and reads/writes Word documents. Etc.
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Cookieteam · Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 3:47 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Ok I will thanks. If I am making something is it okay to use the ship names and the weapon names?

Grav(FU OL) · Guest Offline

Aside from some obvious though might not very litigeous(sp) reasons:
Simple fact is - in the making of continuum (the simple making of it) and the reverse engineering/otherwise debbuging/and etc. you did in the process of making it = You breached the SS EULA.

To add sin to wrong, you (you/priit/both) actually had the nerves of copying the SS EULA while conviniently omitting parts of it which did not suit your own needs for use as the continuum EULA, which I find downright disgraceful, disrespectful, and I'm sure that, in some way, illegal.

Grav(FU OL) · Guest Offline

Well cookie, it goes like this:

Those who really own SS are actually BDE's owners.
Right now we have suspicions that Priit sold out (continuum) to them, but we don't know the specifics.
So, if you were to say make a game for profit purposes called the same, and use same intellectual material (names and items), you might get one day sued or served with a cease and desist.

I can say though, as to this day no one got sued over SS that, you PROBABLY won't get into trouble if you do it.

Now, last I knew, Repel, Burst, Brick, Thor's Hammer, Ion Cannons and Dark Matter bombs and etc. were nothing of a (c) nor (tm) material, so feel free to use those (if any, thor's hammer is copyrighted to marvel or whatever comic/viking publishing).

Cookieteam · Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 3:56 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Ok. Thanks

Mr Ekted · Movie Geek Gender: Joined: Feb 09 2004 Posts: 1379 Offline

So if this is such a terrible thing, why don't you rip on MERV or other bots for the same things? The fact is you hate the Subspace Community in its existing manifestation, and are using this dubious method to criticize it. You hate the game so much, yet you feel compelled to hang around and flame rather than move on.

Grav(FU OL) · Guest Offline

In addition, to negate what Ekted has said:
Just because you create something (like what I just type herein now) does not nessecarily make it automatically copyrighted.

First, you have actually prove in court (incase it gets to it) that you are indeed the original creator.
That this is an intellectual property which belongs to you, and is a direct deriviative of your own private thought.
Just because I say "apple" does not make it copyrighted to me.

Second, you need to actually have it copyrighted at the corrosponding govermental/whatever office.
For which you pay a certain fee (depending on the peripheral you wish to have it copyrighted at, larger and more covering = more $) and fill a mountain of paperwork.
You can't just throw (c) tags to stuff and say it's yours.
And if someone can get there and do it before you (ussually it's done by specializing lawyers, BTW) and can somehow prove he made it first, it's their property then.

Grav(FU OL) · Guest Offline

Want me to "rip on MERV"? Fine.
It's now 23:00, I'm submitting to bed, got a job tommarrow to attend to, you know.
I'll get up at 5 in the morning or so, or when I get back from work, re-review the SS EULA, and tell you what I think.
Although there's nothing much to "rip on MERV" about.
Either it's legal, or illegal.
As for the code work, there's room for improvement, always is in everything.
And I'm no coding expert to criticize him, nor do I have other bots to compare it to.
Ask catID though, I neg him a few for couple years now about logging features.

But if you want to make it personal:
MERV doesn't create gameplay interferances.
MERV doesn't create problems due to lag handling.
MERV doesn't has to make SS (the game) go, only add features to the existing.
MERV is (I think, last I checked) open sourced.
MERV is easily workable with plugins and thus forth for other uses.
MERV wasn't created to replace all other bots and localize control under its creator's thumb.
MERV didn't cry that the other bots are illegal for use and it's a must and needed inorder to stop cheating and become legal gaming experience.
MERV didn't force itself on everyone and told them they shouldn't run other bots nor allow them to use other bots in conjunction with it.

But, just because you wanted to get personal about it.
Otherwise, forget it.