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Is there a way to delete users from the catid's Biller?

Maverick · Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:57 am Post subject:

You can't when logged in as level 0 netop ?
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Someone · Guest Offline

Well... i didnt find the command...
there is a adduser command, but i didnt find a deluser or something....

Someone · Guest Offline

Well...
i didnt mean not operators, but users/players...
its weird that nothing can remove users - not the scoreman nor the biller itself...

Cheese · Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:25 pm Post subject:

and thats why im going to make a better scoreman.

so u can FULLY edit users, and delete them
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Someone · Guest Offline

Looking forward to see results

but it sux that u cant remove users from the biller - maybe someone shoul stick to this

I'd offer help - but i dont wanna code a biller by myself...
... its simply too much work for nothing

D1st0rt · Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:36 pm Post subject:

You won't accomplish much in Subspace Development with an attitude like that
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CypherJF · Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:37 pm Post subject:

My biller is online and available to anyone who wants to use it - except it doesn't have BanG, yet.

Billing IP: hyperion.mineplowers.com

No billing password, score id, etc. necessary.

It supports billing TCP user database protocol and VIE billing protocol.
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Someone · Guest Offline

yeah, you've got it

whats the point in having a threaded biller when the server doesnt use threads - its pointless - its performance on the wrong part of the system.

the server has also such stupid limits like less than 4 MB files - its not even a full map of titles...
the download is damn slow - why if server and client are conected with 100Mbit - why should the lvl download take more than 10 sec.?

and to rewrite biller AND server would be more work than to design and to write a ned game...

so in my opinion its not worth do develop anything for this game...
unless a good team comes up and rewrites server AND biller...

Cheese · Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:15 pm Post subject:

because this game is older then u, newbie.

D1st0rt · Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:25 pm Post subject:

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D <billing> trying to connect to user db server at hyperion.mineplowers.com:5500
W <billing> unexpected error from connect: Network is unreachable

global.conf:

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[ Billing ]
IP=hyperion.mineplowers.com
Password=(password)
ServerName=(zone name)
Port=5500

am I missing something?

Samapico · Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:21 am Post subject:

Someone · Guest Offline

@Cheese: very helpful yeah - write yr editor and dont flame.
to parse some files, show em, edit em ans flush em it wouldnt take up more than 1 hours of coding - with a good gui maybe 2 hours...

Sry for offending the whole community, but...
i just stated some points that sucks... and as i dont know the protocol i can only say that its not good designed if u cant transfer any kind of map (as i said - u CANT transfer a full map - with no blank space)

and for threading - its obvious that the subgame server runns with a mainloop and not with threads - how else could the CPU usage of ~20% (yes, also not the neweset serverbox

) could happen - if no one is connected....

on currents... i was a host for SS some years ago - in like 2000 - then stopped playing and hosting SS.
now i wanted to play with some ppl - so i got the new files, changed the cfgs and wondered that nearly nothing has changed since back then...

if you have some info i missed - say/link em

Maverick · Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:08 am Post subject:

So if the server doesn't have any threads at all, players who are doing anything at the same time will have to wait for eachother to finish?
Aka, according to you it isn't possible to download anything when someone is already downloading?

rrright

CypherJF · Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:19 am Post subject:

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Someone · Guest Offline

//should register, so i can edit my postings

Wanna have a proove that subgame (v1.34) doesnt use threads?
open up the taskmanager
go to processes
view - column setup - activate threads.
then start a local subgame
after connection to the biller, there will be 2 threads shown...

connect the client...
did the threadcount increase?
NO?
==> NO threads

PS: the same as catid's Biller rc 10

it can be that there is a newer subgame server - since the one i use (v1.34) was downloaded some years back - but i didnt find a newer version...

Cyan~Fire · Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:27 am Post subject:

Yeah because

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while (true)
{
while (connection.gotPackets())
connection.processPacket();
}

is so much more efficient than just having a blocking recv call... And your "proof" that it uses threads is not even close. Ever thought that maybe winsock or some other system service starts up a thread for itself? But nevermind me, I'm just a newbie and you're obviously far more experienced than me.
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Someone · Guest Offline

ok no one said that im a 1337 L33t haxx0r coder or such stupid shit - there is allways someone who is better than SELF...
I also dont wanna have the whole community against me...

==> last post from me on thi topic - which was "how to delete a user from the biller" btw

yr proof seems better... but its a little small and doesnt really prove anything (could be the mainloop and the queuehandler)

as with UDP you have to receive the packets and can then determine what session it belongs to...
(so u have the queue somewhere - like in the socket buffer and recv will read the first packet and handle it...)

im not fammiliar with winsock so dunno how it works...

but, I have never heared of an unattached thread...
every thread is attached to the process where it was created in (and it doesnt depend on who created the thread) ... would be fatal otherwise...

and i cant see any new threads attached in subgame nor in subbill after connecting...
... would be interesting to see some src...

PS: a queue is more efficient than a call?
you wanna say that polling is more efficient than interrupts? O_o

Someone · Guest Offline

OMG - im a dumbfuck....
... i just realised that the game uses udp... and that its useless to have more than 2 threads (1 thread for recevice; 1 thread for send)
... was kinda using TCP toooo long ...

couldnt u say that earlier?

btw: then i dont understand the cpu usage ... WHYYYYY?

EOD

PS: why udp? - tcp is (much more) reliable and its harder to attack AND its easier to differenciate between the connections...

Cyan~Fire · Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:29 pm Post subject:

It uses UDP because UDP is faster. It has a reliable packet layer on top of the UDP, but only certain packets are sent reliably. This makes for a nice compromise between reliability for important packets and speed for common packets (player positions, etc.).

D1st0rt · Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:29 pm Post subject:

I think you just lost any credibility you might have had right there

edit: CURSE YOU CYAN

Smong · Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:04 pm Post subject:

Try and cut down on the flaming people.

As for the biller IP in asss settings, I believe domain names aren't allowed to prevent DNS attacks.

Subgame/subill are supposed to be notorious for CPU usage, every now and then someone posts server.ini settings to fix it. Also I think there is a patched subbill.exe somewhere out there too.
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