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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:22 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Grav you've made me change my mind. Continuum (or contshit as you put it) is clearly buggy and not worth my time anymore.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:39 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

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Grav you've made me change my mind. Continuum (or contshit as you put it) is clearly buggy and not worth my time anymore.



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 11:54 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I would assume not.

There is a phenomenon about memory though, because your brain is smart it prioritizes the good memories. When you hear people talking about the "good ol' days" its because you subconsciously filter out a lot of the bad stuff. The good ol days were as crappy as today, but nobody wants to remember bad stuff so its repressed by the brain. This could account for someone's distorted perception of the past...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 11:56 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

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LoL, quote cuts stuff off, oh well.

Its to prevent lazy people who quote a quoted statement, thus making 20 layers deep of quotes.

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Well, if it's a one day's worth of work, ADD IT, don't cry about it.

Why don't you wash the building next to you? It won't take more than a day to do.

He has no incentive to add this feature. The only reason LVZ support was added was because somewhere in Trench Wars, it was needed. As of now, Trench Wars doesn't need more ships, thus it hasn't been added. But back in the days where he actually worked on Continuum, there were more important things than to add support for unlimited ship types.

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The server CAN force users to their own client, NO?
So, it'll be upto the zone owners to decide which additions are permitted.
Not upto the user.
Security issue? Whether or not the user trust the server sysops not to push maleware down his throat.
Besides, the game's rulers have already made it clear that their approach is "fuck the user, this is free entertainment, use it or lose it", so I see no reason why I should care about the user aspect, I mean, they don't obviously.

If the source code for Continuum was released, the same people who can make patches for their servers can make their own patch for themselves. The server cannot stop a client if the client is untrusted. Take a look at the whole Half Life multiplayer deal. The only way they can trust a client is to run a third-party program to validate the client, because the client itself was no longer trusted. Ignore the server-side here during these debates.

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Of course the encryption had been compromised, duuuuuuuuuuuuh.
What, you thought that if someone was to cheat he'll be doing it twister style?
No, of course not.
You take a lagger, pack him up with a sniff&edit, make yourself suffer less damage or drop packets (ALA twister 1.34.3) and cry lag when you shield off damage.
And since we all know how bussy pricktech is, all those threats about "we can just change the protocol in a snap and its cheat-proof again" are null and void, because just as it takes him year long to put a beta of a prerelease that fixes another one, it takes him a week long to do the smallest tweak.

This isn't the encryption being compromised. This is the fact that everyone knows the length of a position packet, thus can make a filter that will remove one out of every X packets of that length. If it was a reliable packet, it would just be resent, but for weapon packets, it will be dropped.

What I was talking about was actually decrypting the packets, changing information (such as security checksums), and reencrypting so the client/server thing everything is fine.

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I don't want no loser like sony, BDE, microsoft or whoever's product that's full of bugs that never get fixed.
I don't want no rushed-out-of-the-door game that crumbles because they're all bussy to make cash instead of quality.
And you know what else, these guys are successful but guess what, this game is FREE, so this doesn't work here.
Releasing bugged shit isn't going to get anyone cash, and sure isn't going to get anyone happy.
So I don't see why we have to live with these ANCIENT bugs that should be ironed out IF PRICKTECH GAVE TWO HOURS A DAY TO WORK ON THE GAME OR LET SOMEONE ELSE DO IT!

Let me get this straight: your statement says that if you get paid to code, you can write buggy software. But if you do it for free, it has to be perfect? The reason he doesn't give it two hours of work a day is because he is getting paid to do something else during his days. How many CEOs do you see volunteering at their local homeless shelter two hours every day?

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Oh, and near infinite customization? DONT MAKE ME LAUGH.
If that's how the code looks like in potential, then what we have is a sheer joke, because continuedshit is no where near that.
It's no where near Infantry even.

My statement meant that unlike making a user interface, where you know everything that can happen, the actual game itself can be customized in many ways, that it introduces bugs. Look through all the server.cfg settings. Check out the protocol to see how things can be awkwardly combined to cause errors. You cannot account for everything, such as why a user would press ESC/F1/Backspace all at the same time.

Maybe the handlers for those commands are in different threads, and are attempting to access the same data at the same time, and the thread is being switched between the two and the function isn't 100% thread safe. You'd be surprised how a simple var++; statement can cause weird errors in threaded programs.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 3:28 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Well, it's just the core isn't it.
PRICKTECH DOESNT CARE ABOUT THE GAME UNLESS ITS FOR HIS LOVELY NEWB ZONE!
So, in a sense, he just made a new game for trench, and then forced the rest of us to use it.
He's nothing but a fame vulture, going where the most people are.
And that's why he shouldn't be having exclusivity over the code, because he doesn't care to improve it unless mr. zinner come knocking on his door or if trench needs it.
Good thing he has no incentive, want us to start paying him?
He appointed himself to the job, he damn well should support it or let others do it.
Fucking bullshit.
That is exactly a corporate behaviour.

Yeah, keep hiding and justifying behind petty security compromise bullshit.
I'm not talking about the entire source, I'm talking about specific binaries that allow features to be added.
You want a system? here, I'll provide you with one.
We can take our god here Miss erected, and you mr. brainless backstab mine plower, since the two of you are so eager to help our community unlike myself, and are so trusted they give you the code and people will send you features they made, then you will review and if viable/prioritized incooperate it to some beta that will be ironed out and released.
How's that, mr. perfect?

Fact is that Aaerox or catid could mow continuum's security if they wanted, and you wouldn't know about it and you wouldn't be able to do jack about it, if the cheating is to be done in a covert enough of a way (again, not talking about people going shooting unlimited thors).
So in the end, the entire "it's to prevent cheating" is bullshit.

Bottom line, cheaters were always dealt with.
The only cheating that ran rampaged was due to newbies who ran zones and were incompetent.
And besides, you have this all new and improved biller by pricktech, so even if you cried and argued that the regular IP and MacID ban didn't work, well lo-and-behold, this new biller will work wonders for you.
So there you have it, why the need for a secure ominus client?
Bullshit.
Is why.

You compare this game to HL?
ROFL, yeah, GG.
After all, HL is such the massive MPOG.
You know what, you already compromised security, you made ASSS, you customized the server and released it for all to see.
So the client is really in the dark anyway.

What makes you think I pay for crappy code?
I warez it. It doesn't deserve to be paid for.
I am saying that you can't argue that he can release bugged client because everyone else do it and look at them they're making riches.
The reason he doesn't give two hours a day is because, as you have yourself made clear above what I, catid and others argued many times before, he doesn't give a shitty crap about our game, unless trench needs it.

And again, I'm not talking about the weird errors you get from trying to access different functions at once.
Oh, maybe if people were crashing when trying to rotate and thrust at the same time you would take it more seriously.
No, I'm not talking about these kind of errors.
Again, I'm talking about the cheapass formulas that are used to move and predict things.
Unless you go and cry that these are affected because I pressed alt to repel someone.
(oh, and lets not get into how since the switch to continuedshit, the term late-rep became the norm in SVS gameplay, or how you can rocket past a rep about 80% of the times, you see it but yet ignore it completely)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:47 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I'm not going to insult your intelligence by pretending you believe what you just wrote.

That was very witty though, with the pricktech and miss erected.

Grow up.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:29 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

MGB: Yet another reason to fix that silly bug.

Not that it matters. Grav has provided enough circumstantial evidence to convict himself of first degree ignorance.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 10:45 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

He's probably crying, poor sad teen, someone hand him a hanky to blow his nose off.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:17 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

grav, let's leave these suckers behind and play / talk about a different game other than contshit. I mean look at these morons being under 18 and trying to express opinions; whatever they say we can just point out their age and instantly win the argument.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:39 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Hi Bak.
My new avatar would like to meet your avatar.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 1:25 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

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My new avatar would like to meet your avatar.

I believe this one suits you better.





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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 1:54 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

*sigh* children...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:21 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

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Why bitch about other people's superogatory actions? Do you live in a morality distortion field?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:22 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Hahaha this thread is great.
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you're such a badass grav, how can I be more like you?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:26 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:21 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

MGB, you're a hypocrite.
Truth of the matter is, you serve in all purpose as a shield for a lamer to hide behind.
While at it, you can go and tell us all again how you are so scared of a copyright infringment law suit from BDE that it was so necessary to rename the game.
(After all, the resident retard BD Vine went on and on to explain how they aren't going to fund a law team to check out if it'll be okay or not, naturally, priit could just raise a phone - call sherman and ask them if they'll be okay with it... icon_rolleyes.gif)

Fact is, while you speak of how much I'm not helping the game, all you two do is provide excuses for why it has stopped development.
While you cry about what if this happen and what if that happens (oh yes, the game is just swimming full in a pool of top-notch high-class cracker terrorists just waiting for a chance of a security loophole to destroy us all!) other games get things done.
Hell, the helbreath underground passed us in development-invested time by a lightyear, if they had been working on SubSpace, we would've had an Infantry-quality engine (server&client) by now.
If you really cared, you would stop being such a pansyboy wall of shit, and actually pushed to get the development restarted.
If you're that so great, then why don't you and the resident mr. magnifico coder get together and get some work done on the game.
You got the skills, I don't.
So, are you all just talk in the end, or do you really want to help?
You made such a great work at driving everyone else who could out, so it's upto you now.
Besides, they trust you, no?

Other than that, fuck you all.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:24 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Underground because I'm talking about people who obtained the source of an older version (which was the ussual korean crap) and since then are sniffing packets and what not to stabilize it, add features and make it so it works with the later client versions with all their new graphic packs.



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 7:10 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Once again, only a partial reply to a partial argument.

Nobody force anybody to use Priit's hacked subgame. You could still use the VIe server if you'd like. Too bad that every time you'd sign off, people would go off and screw each other over with cheats.
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