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Mr Ekted
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Kozy, that was intentional. I was showing the irony of what Qndre is doing and saying.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 12:42 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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| Qndre, no one will ever use your client. I guarantee it. I also guarantee it will never be finished. Stop wasting everyone's time. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 1:22 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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I know of no popular zone that has switched to permission-only. It would only hurt themselves anyway. I think just you are being targeted, Qndre.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 3:04 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Stupidity has reached a level I never thought possible
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Mr Ekted
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 3:32 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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| Cyan~Fire wrote: | | I know of no popular zone that has switched to permission-only. It would only hurt themselves anyway. I think just you are being targeted, Qndre. |
He was banned. It was intentional, and it was Qndre. This was discussed in some other thread. Qndre denied ever going to the zone in question. The admin who banned him said what he did. Then Qndre magically remembered that he did go there and do those things. Maybe some day, he'll magically remember he can't program, and go back to working the drive-thru. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 4:35 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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| Mr Ekted wrote: | | Maybe some day, he'll magically remember he can't program, and go back to working the drive-thru. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 11:27 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Does banning on SSC just give you the permission message? I figured it would do something like Catid's "^Banned", but then again, I've never been banned on SSC.  |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 5:14 am Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Found something out: If you run "continuum.exe" with the command line parameter "S" it writes you a "scrty" and a "scrty1"-key to disk. That's my key to Continuum encryption. I'm already having some exact information about how the encryption algorithm works but I don't think it can be written in BASIC, so I'll need ASM - so - forget it. My client will turn out as a fucking VIE client that no one wants to use - even not Mods because they could just use Subspace if the wanted to have a VIE client.  |
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Cyan~Fire
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| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 9:27 am Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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| Qndre wrote: | | If you run "continuum.exe" with the command line parameter "S" it writes you a "scrty" and a "scrty1"-key to disk. |
Not bad, but you could still get them from a server folder anyday.
| Qndre wrote: | | That's my key to Continuum encryption. I'm already having some exact information about how the encryption algorithm works but I don't think it can be written in BASIC, so I'll need ASM - so - forget it. |
And who's giving you this specific information, Priit? After all, he's the only one who could.
| Qndre wrote: | | My client will turn out as a fucking VIE client that no one wants to use - even not Mods because they could just use Subspace if the wanted to have a VIE client. |
Darnit! We all had no clue this would happen, as shown by us telling you it would all along! |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 9:54 am Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Darnit! We all had no clue this would happen, as shown by us telling you it would all along! |
My client should provide a secure but open-sourced interface to VIE zones. Maybe I'll give up this client and "fix" the VIE Subspace client to support my encryption like I did it with "subgame2" and support S2C encryption too.
Please excuse my absence of cooperation.
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Not bad, but you could still get them from a server folder anyday.
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True but should I copy the whole subserver into my client?  |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 10:25 am Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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| Qndre wrote: | [..]
True but should I copy the whole subserver into my client? |
So you're just going to copy continuum.exe and run it with S instead?
You also said your client was open sourced, perhaps we could have a look? |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 11:07 am Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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| Dustpuppy wrote: |
So you're just going to copy continuum.exe and run it with S instead?
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No because I'm not going to use CONTINUUM encryption but VIE encryption.
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You also said your client was open sourced, perhaps we could have a look?
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Not yet. There are many bugs which have to be fixed and many things aren't implemented yet (user-name-lookup for chat, etc.), security checksums don't work yet, ... I'll notice you if there is a pre-release. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 1:26 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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| Qndre wrote: | | Found something out: If you run "continuum.exe" with the command line parameter "S" it writes you a "scrty" and a "scrty1"-key to disk. That's my key to Continuum encryption. I'm already having some exact information about how the encryption algorithm works but I don't think it can be written in BASIC, so I'll need ASM - so - forget it. My client will turn out as a fucking VIE client that no one wants to use - even not Mods because they could just use Subspace if the wanted to have a VIE client. |
Getting scrty and scrty1 files is pointless. They are unique for every zone. The only zone your files would work with is your own. Hosts would be stupid to let their files out since people could do all kinds of crap to their server. Feel free to hack your own server all you like. |
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| Qndre wrote: | | [..]secure but open-sourced |
No such thing (in this context). |
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Yep, no such thing. Just like there's no such thing as close source security either. 
We're living in a insecure world! Oh the humanity!
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| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 3:29 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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No such thing (in this context). |
I understand that an algorithm, which has been released usually isn't secure any more. The only thing I wondered since I was creating my first 8-bit-text-xor "encryption" was: How can things like SSL be open-sourced AND simultanously secure?
http://www.openssl.org/
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Getting scrty and scrty1 files is pointless. They are unique for every zone. |
Yeahr. Unique and random.
But if the keystream generator only gives any (random) keystream, how can client and server have the same one (since client sets 32-bit key seed in 0x0001 packet and server has a random key)? Does the client only decide about a kind of "offset" or so (in the 0x0001 packet) and server decides about the actual key (in the 0x0010 packet)? If so, 0x0010 packet should be the same for every client connecting to the same server.
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Feel free to hack your own server all you like.
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I'm already doing or do you think I'm trying my client out on SSC zones or whereever because it's just so funny to get netbanned? |
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Is this kid still around? I think hes some form of recurring nightmare, where I dont kill him in the end. Wish I did though.... Maybe it would end then.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:11 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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| Qndre wrote: | | How can things like SSL be open-sourced AND simultanously secure? |
Because in most online situations, the only important thing is that no one who is watching the traffic can decrypt the data. You are protecting the packets from view by a 3rd person. In Continuum, the packets must be protected from view/modification by the person running the client. It is a completely different security issue than most online applications where SSL, VPN, RSA, etc are used. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 5:24 am Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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| Mr Ekted wrote: |
Because in most online situations, the only important thing is that no one who is watching the traffic can decrypt the data. You are protecting the packets from view by a 3rd person. In Continuum, the packets must be protected from view/modification by the person running the client. It is a completely different security issue than most online applications where SSL, VPN, RSA, etc are used. |
I understand. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 3:58 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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