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Anonymous - Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:20 pm
Post subject: CR:RT is back and returned to its former glory!

This message goes out to all former Cosmic Rift: Rogue Trader players! Yankee got the axe, Rogue Trader has been restored to a backup from November 2001 (thats the only backup that Yankee made... so sad), and we few survivors are trying desperately to ressurrect the zone for the good glory that it once was!

Even if you don't care, please pass this message on to someone who might! We are trying to save one of the most fun games this side of Doom!

Thank you, please go back to your random killings

Donkano - Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:17 pm
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Screw Cosmic Rift, this is Continuum. It is 100x better.

Anonymous - Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:54 pm
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Yes, thank you thats very mature and helpful. Anyone else?

Confess - Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:29 pm
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Good luck resurrecting it, lemme know if i can do anything to help you.

Ori Klein - Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:03 am
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Worst message board you could post on regarding CR.
Go, away.
While we still allow you to leave in one piece.

Stupid sony sucker paying newbies.
And for the rest of the newbies who might read this thread, CR is pay to play.
You pay sony, you get nothing in return.
That game is more dead than SS.

Spyed - Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:46 am
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Oh let's let him off. He's got Kat in his name :)

Meow =o.O=

Ori Klein - Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:04 pm
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Spyed wrote:

Oh let's let him off. He's got Kat in his name

Meow =o.O=

Unless he is a she and she is my Kat, then that clause does not hook.

Spyed - Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:24 pm
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Well your cat would be very clever if it could use the PC :)

i88gerbils - Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:37 pm
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Escape Pod forever! (wrong game, but still)

Ori Klein - Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:14 pm
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Gerbil, agreed.

Spyed, when I spoke of my Kat, I meant this kat, stupid.

DEWKat - Thu Nov 10, 2005 4:56 pm
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I've braved more hostile forums than this, and that is meant as a compliment

I'm doing everything I can to keep a good game alive & kicking, surely those of you who survived SS's p2p times can attest to the difficulty & dedication... if they haven't all been slain already

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Stupid sony sucker paying newbies.
And for the rest of the newbies who might read this thread, CR is pay to play.
You pay sony, you get nothing in return.
That game is more dead than SS.

Hate to break it to ya buddy, but the net is going p2p all over, and 7 bucks ain't exactly a raw deal. I spend more than that on lunch, and the whole point of this thread is to get people to play so other people will see that and want to play & so on & so on, so please, either help or go back to your own perfectly healthy game, no sense trying to kill mine as its struggling to get its 1 foot out of the grave.

Confess - if you're unsure, I have a spare account that is subbed for the rest of the month (another 3-4 weeks maybe), if you don't mind sharing it with LinkHyrullian (RT vet) lemme know!

i88gerbils - Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:14 pm
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SubSpace was a box release. Server+Client were both released. However for some reason most players rejected the $30 one-time fee, which is pretty ironic that years later Infantry & Cosmic Rift beta testers did the samething with a Station Pass monthly fee.

Trashtalk is trashtalk :P

I'm not sure what to do with Cosmic Rift. If you want to have a grassroots campaign the best idea is to play with friends or make friends who play in the same zone. If you can get 10-15 players enjoying themselves on a daily basis, then you will probably generate interest. I'm not sure what the threshhold is for CR or Infantry, but SubSpace zones usually generate self-interest at around 8 players (or so they did several years ago). If you can have people actively playing & not sitting in spec, then you should be able to sustainably develop a zone's population again.

This is harder to do in practice, then in thought from personal experience. Most players are selfish when it comes down to sitting in an empty zone.

DEWKat - Thu Nov 10, 2005 6:13 pm
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I've got the bane of all my IRL friends being from either the theater circles I run in or the metal circles, and none of them really like gaming & the few who do go for the fancy graphic no gameplay FPS garbage games

Trying to convert my old net friends back to it, had a few successes

Just gotta keep trying though, 8 players is fun, but RT is at its best between 20 and 50 IMO (at least, when its not seeing 150 like in pre p2p)

Anonymous - Fri Nov 11, 2005 7:24 am
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What does CR have that SubSpace doesn't?

LearJett+ - Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:59 am
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Jellyfish

1stStrike - Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:50 am
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Donkano - Fri Nov 11, 2005 10:17 am
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I can name over 10 reasons why Continuum is better than Cosmic Rift.

Edit:
1. It's free. Not crappy P2P
2. Settings can be changed at any time on the spur of the moment.
3. ASSS
4. You can customize your own server on SubBill.
5. There are far more zones/servers for Continuum.
6. Continuum is more squad orientated (Just look at TW).
7. Players can make their own maps and settings and graphics for arenas.
8. Shipsets are different based on zones and arenas.
9. LVZ to change from the default graphics and sounds.
10. Customizable options from the client itself (IE show ship thrusters)
11. Larger population on Continuum.
12. No "LaunchPad" required for Continuum.

DEWKat - Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:13 am
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RT is a progressive RPG-esque zone where you can custom build your ship the way you like it and play the role of bounty hunter, pirate, protecter, raider, or anything else you want to (we have several duelists who just come in, duel a bit, and leave).

The ongoing FFAs are intense and wild, the trash talk 1st rate, and when we get a good group of people in there the quality of the piloting is frighteningly incredible.

Also, what does CR have that SS doesn't? We have angles

Cerium - Fri Nov 11, 2005 12:48 pm
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Zing.

Ori Klein - Fri Nov 11, 2005 2:39 pm
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Gerbil, why is the sony newbie talking back to me?

If there was ever a time I would've used my mod to ban (aside banning myself that one time, mine go boom) this would've been it.

Seriously, why need we suffer some newbie kid spamming for his crappy dead sony game?

DEWKat, consider this your thread too.

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Author Topic: Infantry - Community = Dead
wcoasterf
Station Member
Registered: Apr 2001
Posts: 12 (newbie) posted 07-21-2002 01:23 PM user search report post
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Most of the people here are newbies that haven't been playing for even a year, and acting like they are god... So funny... Sorry I just had to post this, even though everybody knows it.

bradyUSA
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Registered: Sep 2001
Posts: 1514

posted 07-21-2002 01:27 PM user search report post
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Says the April 2001 newbie with 8 posts.

wcoasterf
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Posts: 12 (newbie) posted 07-21-2002 01:28 PM user search report post
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So now I am a newbie because of my post count? Are you sure you even know how to play Infantry??? Seems you waste most of your time chatting away on these forums... Proving you are all talk, I've been here longer than you, and I have no respect for newbies like you.

MetalGearHZ
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Posts: 476

posted 07-21-2002 01:29 PM user search report post
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Lol, I can't stop laughing.
GG wcoasterf

Shrike007
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posted 07-21-2002 01:31 PM user search report post
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"I've been here longer than you, and I have no respect for newbies like you."
I wonder how long wcoasterf has waited to say that. Too bad he looks like a complete fool.

420nutzo
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Posts: 868

posted 07-21-2002 01:33 PM user search report post
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OMG
<<<<<<<<<I BEN HeRe LOGEST $$$!!!!1!!!!!!111!!

wcoasterf
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Posts: 12 (newbie) posted 07-21-2002 01:36 PM user search report post
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Just the though of you assuming I am waiting to say that is sad... You act as if I am one of you people... Just thinking of that idea, shrike, is sad... I pity you.

bradyUSA
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Posts: 1514

posted 07-21-2002 01:38 PM user search report post
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Christ, do I have to get into this again?
"I've been here longer than you, and I have no respect for newbies like you."

Try it the other way around.

wcoasterf
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Posts: 12 (newbie) posted 07-21-2002 01:39 PM user search report post
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Ah... I have no more time for you geeks.. Gadda get back to my social life, something you geeks don't have... LOL... *points and laughs at all of you*
It isn't my fault I had 19k kills, don't hate.

bradyUSA
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posted 07-21-2002 01:42 PM user search report post
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"Gadda get back to my social life, something you geeks don't have"
"It isn't my fault I had 19k kills"

Don't contradict yourself. Which is it?

ThornMartin
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Posts: 637

posted 07-21-2002 01:44 PM user search report post
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19k kills is nothing...
Funny, someone who was bragging about playing a game longer than us (which is doubtful) is now calling us geeks.

UFGailorMoon
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Posts: 933 posted 07-21-2002 01:51 PM user search report post
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OMG, this guy reminds me of some guy I used to know.

FallenDeity
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Posts: 1144

posted 07-21-2002 02:22 PM user search report post
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19,000 kills (guessing in EOL..and that isnt a turkey shoot, you must have spent a lot of time in there), calling people newbies because of registration dates, and then you have the audacity to use "Geek"
Guys we have our Idiot of the month.

*dusts off plaque*

MrSexxyZenosGun
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wcoasterf takes MagicMan's place as "God of All Fgts".
good job moron.

PlaSmiCMaGe
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posted 07-21-2002 02:48 PM user search report post
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"19,000 kills (guessing in EOL..and that isnt a turkey shoot, you must have spent a lot of time in there), calling people newbies because of registration dates, and then you have the audacity to use "Geek""

Yo, just a reminder.

Anyone bragging is an automatic idiot anyway.

Cheers

MagicMan86
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posted 07-21-2002 03:14 PM user search report post
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wcoaster, your reg. date really is a joke. How many people have you registered before, 5 or 6? I wish Unit92 or -spitfire- would come in to smack him around because "newbies get no respect". GG.

SolidEnder
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Posts: 259

posted 07-21-2002 04:30 PM user search report post
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yeah, anyone who brags about a social life on this forum is a loser, people with lots of stuff going on in their lives don't have to brag, people can just tell that they have sh!t to do.

zc321wtf
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you are all ****ing nebwies
shut your ugly asses up

CowLife666
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posted 07-21-2002 05:54 PM user search report post
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i know im a n00b and im pr0ud
lol mr.sexxy

GravitronBantx1
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Snort.

knossos93
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posted 07-21-2002 10:38 PM user search report post
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Lol @ wcoasterf
gloc - Retired.

And yes, I do come back to the boards once in a while.

MadDanny
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...ive been signed up (on sony) for 2 years and im only on like my 36th post. what the hell? i posted a lot. did the counter get reset or something?
Annihilator-Xtreme(what the hell?)

GravitronBantx1
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Posts: 526 posted 07-22-2002 08:45 AM user search report post
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Hang, I'm going to call Omicron so he can insult him too.
Let's have this thread 'unofficially' renamed to the "wcoasterf DA NOOB".
We'll invite everyone to come and say "S7FU NOOB!", it will be like a reunion.
Let's see if I can convince pv to get his ass onto here too.

xund3rt4k3rx
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Posts: 41

posted 07-22-2002 08:48 AM user search report post
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Lol @ wcoasterf
lol@reg date.. what a dumb fuc-k

1337Flasher64
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Posts: 158

posted 07-22-2002 08:52 AM user search report post
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ah hahahahahaha

BLIssID911
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AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
*laughs at the sony newbies*
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!
*Laughs some more*
-BLIssID

Rakkar
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Posts: 1 (newbie) posted 07-22-2002 09:29 AM user search report post
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OK I'm retired - haven't played for like a year, but if you are a vet of any caliber you know who I am. If you are a real vet you'd know me from SS for sure. Anyway, I think you newbies need to quiet down because you stick your foots in your mouths. I was playing CR (Also the best player at that though it can't compare with SS) and some newbie said "You can kick my ass here but in Infantry I'd own you." I said "Ok lets go play" So we duel 3 times, even though I hadn't played or even looked at the game in 6 months and I kick his ass soundly each time. He said "OK *** controls are you using" and quit right after.

GravitronBantx1
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Har Har, I love reunions.
Let's see who more will show up, I've delivered like 20 inventations.

Maxdamage2001
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Posts: 790

posted 07-22-2002 09:57 AM user search report post
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my reg date owns his >_<
Well...atleast mine doesnt say (newbie)

VectorBoy
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Posts: 24 (newbie)

posted 07-22-2002 10:59 AM user search report post
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infantry alpha, what? yeah thats right *****. even though i despise this game and half of the community, give me an account and i'll come school your ass any day.

i havent played in almost a year, so booja.

-vB

MagicMan86
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Posts: 1060

posted 07-22-2002 11:09 AM user search report post
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Lol@VectorBoy. Weird, i've never talked to anyone who was that early in Infantry's history before. O.o ~I feel special~

ZombieBobie
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Boo...
so this is where we get to trash the newbies eh? heeehee...
Have respect for the elders!
Oh, and btw, infantry got boring once it went out of alpha :/

Ello Rak'kar, Reboot, Guy Smiley, ljc, JeffP, Rodvik, Yankee, VB, UFG (The Sailor Noob =), Yazour, Reaps, akencofish, Omicron...and all the others...

oh..and Hi One Spirit! im not dead yet

and a big slap in the face to Gravitron who made me go here... *slap!*

btw..

for good ol' memories sake..
http://liquidinc.reallyrules.com/infantry/babygoboom2.jpg
http://liquidinc.reallyrules.com/infantry/rebwonderswhereljcwent2.jpg

Cheers!

-ZombieBobie-
^still playing SubSpace =)

ZombieBobie
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Posts: 2 (newbie) posted 07-22-2002 11:39 AM user search report post
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free lameass site hosting crap...
use this link instead to see the 2 pics...

http://liquidinc.reallyrules.com/infantry/index.html

-ZB-

GravitronBantx1
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Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 526 posted 07-22-2002 11:48 AM user search report post
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It's free hosting and it's not warstrike neither DS98, of course it's crap.
And...*ouch*, yr *****slapping hurts dude...

ct8025
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Yes, it's true. You guys are idiots. Go back to AOL. No, in fact it would be much better if you guys canceled whatever isp's you guys use to access the internet. It's very ovious that you are not mature or intelligent enough to use it. Please, go away.

michaelmatthews
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Posts: 28 (newbie) posted 07-22-2002 04:18 PM user search report post
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Who was one of the first people to register with the station account?

bradyUSA
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posted 07-22-2002 04:28 PM user search report post
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"Lol@VectorBoy. Weird, i've never talked to anyone who was that early in Infantry's history before. O.o ~I feel special~"
He wasn't talking to you....so you still haven't.

GravitronBantx1
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Blech, only 6?
Damn people are slacking off...

Sigh, my English still sucked at 2002...oh well, climbing the ladder, baby steps...

DEWKat - Fri Nov 11, 2005 3:03 pm
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You know, I'd think that coming from where SS had been, you would have a little more compassion and respect for someone who truely enjoys a game and is trying to keep it alive by bringing back people who loved it when it was free.

RT didn't die because of P2P, it was seriously wounded yes but it didn't die, it died because the developer made some utterly stupid and useless changes to the zone that literally, made it go from about 30-50 people a day to 3-5 in the span of about 2-3 days.

I'd expect "CR SUCKS!" and "Its DEAD so stfu!" from the Infantry newbies, but not from SSers, guess I thought too highly of you all these years.

Please look at your own signature as to why I'm "talking back" to you, and like your momma said, if you don't have anything nice to say...

And FYI, I'm posting here because some SSers said this would be the place to post about it and then wished me luck. Just a little background info for you to munch on.

Ori Klein - Fri Nov 11, 2005 3:25 pm
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If your cause was just.

Problem is, you're coaxing people to pay to play a dead game that's crappingly designed, have zero support, zero future and the revenue go to a gay company for doing nothing about the game and been methodically ass-fucking other games.

No, no thanks.
Drop the ball.
It's about time you realise the horse is dead, burry it.
I burried Rod. I burried HG, I said goodbye to Jeff.
Let it die in peace.

FYI I spent $100 for printing 7 t-shirts of Juan's slick art.
So don't talk to me about using money.

My mother never said anything like that.
And if you're quoting moms, try LL Cool J, because I'm this close to sucker punching you.

The SSers who directed you here have no clue.
Try www.ssforum.net instead where the ussual slime bags who bother to play the game might care just a tiny bit more.
The only reason they might sent you here is because if you went anywhere else or inside zones you'll get your ass net banned in five seconds.

Cyan~Fire - Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:18 pm
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Don't worry, DEWKat, none of us like Ori here either.

DEWKat - Fri Nov 11, 2005 6:09 pm
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Ah, hes one of those. I won't waste my breath then.

Moving on! And we're walking, RT was restored to a November 2001 backup as a starting bed for the updates that Joe wants to make, ships, stats, top 100 - everything! Had 16 in there yesterday and I've been contacted by at least 3 people who want to bring back some more of their oldschooler friends, come join the fun!

Anonymous - Fri Nov 11, 2005 6:26 pm
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DEW!!!!!!

So yankee got axed huh... I don't see many people going back to play unless it goes free, but thats good news. Yankee was a twit.

x-=Bounty=-x

Ori Klein - Fri Nov 11, 2005 7:43 pm
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Yes, one of those.
One of those who tried to do some good.
One of those who helped around people with all their questions for several years.
One of those who fought for SS and INF against all odds.
One of those newbies punks like you were not even born by the time we finished beta.

CR is dead.
INF is dead.
Joe Nelson is this 20 YO automated phone answering organic trash bins refered to in SOE as customer support representitive.
He has jack shit of a clue about these type of games.
He has jack shit of a clue about designing a zone.
He has jack shit of a clue about using the editing tools.
He has jack shit of a team or otherwise any resources to improve the game.

You want to be a sucker and P2P for a dead stuck in the water game, go ahead, don't drag others down with you.

Donkano - Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:43 pm
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Ori Klein wrote:

You want to be a sucker and P2P for a dead stuck in the water game, go ahead, don't drag others down with you.

Couldn't say it any better.

DEWKat - Fri Nov 11, 2005 10:24 pm
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Had 29 in RT tonight, still promises of more coming. Keep on bumping this for me, ty!

Dr Brain - Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:16 am
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Answer me this: is there any chance of improvment of RT? Or will it be like it is now forever? Because if there's no hope of development, the player base will evaporate within a few months.

Cerium - Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:48 am
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You guys should work on developing server software for CR so you dont have to rely on Sonys P2P server. That in itself would bring in more people.

Nancy:
Considering some of the key people behind SS were behind CR, im sure its designed atleast SLIGHTLY better. Of course, its speculation since Ive never seen how shit runs under the hood of CR, but I know first hand what an awful mess SS is.

DEWKat - Sat Nov 12, 2005 2:30 am
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@Doc Brain, Aye, Joe is spread out right now between CR, INF, and Tanarus but he has already fullfilled all the promises hes made thusfar and has promised more development (indeed, hes done more in a few weeks for CR and RT than Yankee did in years). Myself, Mind Game, and a few others are working with him closely towards majority favored updates for RT specifically, and CR in general.

No programmers in the bunch that I know of, and certainly no one with the time on their hands to deal with it.

Ori Klein - Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:15 am
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Cerium/Dr Brain, regarding future of this game: read what I said above, 'nuff said.

Cerium, CR is same engine as INF. It has many improvements over SS in general, but it was cut in development half way in its beta.
INF was cut around v1.30.
Rod have participated in neither INF once it moved to SOE nor in CR.
And Jeff was moved shortly after to work on EQ.
So, there wasn't that much of "the power behind SS" behind them.

Actually, some of us do have the server soft and tools, but...meh.

Also, me, rooster and sknox begun developing our own engine from scratch, without many of the lame hardcoded limitations that were put into INF rather...unvisionly (well, Jeff coded INF to be INF, we're making a template platform to launch many possible designs out off).

Ori Klein - Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:21 am
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DEWKat wrote:

Myself, Mind Game, and a few others are working with him closely towards majority favored updates for RT specifically, and CR in general.

No programmers in the bunch that I know of, and certainly no one with the time on their hands to deal with it.

Yes, he's an incompetent little teenager, and SOE won't allocate them any resources beyond a server, so he has to make players WHO PAY TO PLAY THE GAME help him develop it.
Irony at its best, huh?

(when I post in a row it's fucking awesome!)

Hey shanky, this is for you man!

OH YEAH IT"S LOONEY TIME!
WELCOME TO ZOMBO COM
THIS IS ZOMBO COM
WELCOME

this is what happens when you haven't slept for 72 hours and mine go boom is being a fucking stupid asshole, party on!
[beer glumpage]

i88gerbils - Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:26 am
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So that's what sknox has been doing.

Dr Brain - Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:37 am
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Ori Klein wrote:

Cerium/Dr Brain, regarding future of this game: read what I said above, 'nuff said.

That wasn't exactly what you said. Besides, no one reads more than a few sentences into your rants. It's lucky you put the above quote at the top, or I wouldn't have even seen it.

THE Lucifer - Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:57 am
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Dr Brain wrote:

That wasn't exactly what you said.

Ori Klein wrote:

CR is dead.
INF is dead.

That sums it up.

Ori Klein wrote:

Joe Nelson is this 20 YO automated phone answering organic trash bins refered to in SOE as customer support representitive.
He has jack shit of a clue about these type of games.
He has jack shit of a clue about designing a zone.
He has jack shit of a clue about using the editing tools.
He has jack shit of a team or otherwise any resources to improve the game.

That expands as to why.

i88gerbils - Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:31 pm
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Everyone has to start somewhere. Luckily we have this document.

DEWKat - Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:39 pm
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I would like to be the first to thank Ori for stating the obvious in two consecutive posts, but failing to make anything seem negative other than the way he said it.

A developer who looks to the community for ideas on what would be most fun for the game... my what a novel idea (see Asheron's Call, EQ, WoW, and... hell - pick your popular longtime running MMORPG).

Gerbils, how much of that do you think could be used to help the current stuff that SOE is running? I'd love to be able to actually help in a more effective way than a website & asshat load of suggestions

THE Lucifer - Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:06 pm
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Not failed anything, you are, joe do.

A developers who looks to the community for ideas on what would be most fun for the game, yes, it would be nice, if it was the case.
This is a little kid who run screaming for people to help him actually get stuff to work because he has no clue what to do.

Also, a developer, no excuse me, a gamer designer, is to have a pretty damn good idea of what's fun and what's the game direction he want it to head in.
Asking for ideas come as a side mind storming for forging finely tuned aspects later on.

You asking Gerbil if the SS server help can be used to help INF...
[had to run to the bathroom because the laughter made me pee]
Right.

You can't help.
You are ineffective.
As anything else that is going around at SOE.
Also, since when SOE listens to the players? HAHAHAHAHA as if.

Vanguard beta already owns anything in EQ/SWG.
Good night son.

i88gerbils - Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:37 pm
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Yes. Basic zone design philosophy written by the developers of SubSpace, Infantry, & Cosmic Rift. If there is any way to balance a zone out, then you'd start reading there if you didn't know how to in the first place. Since there is no public documents, let alone a public zone/scenario design editor, it is hard to help out in zone dev. in CR or Inf. However, you can always go back to the basic design philosophy of a similar game.

Can a newbie survive against a veteran player in RT? Will the best player die once an hour?

THE Lucifer - Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:08 pm
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i88gerbils wrote:

Yes. Basic zone design philosophy written by the developers of SubSpace, Infantry, & Cosmic Rift.

Actualy, in INF it doesn't apply, not quite.
And in CR, it didn't catch on well at all.
SS was based around the SVS.
In INF it couldn't be mimiced well, especialy when gone beyond the minor scope that SS played on.
In CR it wasn't made well enough for SVS to take the same place, it inherited too many random factors from INF which upset the delicate SVS balance.

i88gerbils wrote:

Can a newbie survive against a veteran player in RT? Will the best player die once an hour?

Based upon past experience:
If it still has the super damage one hit kill molotor bombs, yes, sometimes.
If not, then no, at all.

Gerbil, you don't have the old tools? I thought you did.
Oh right, it was einexile, I always confuseed you two, for some reason (both nice guys, fun to beat around...).
Want them?

DEWKat - Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:10 pm
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Also, since when SOE listens to the players? HAHAHAHAHA as if.

RT is back, it has been restored to its old stuff, and word is Joe is doing the same thing for Inf. Since now.

I can help, because I am.
I am effective, because we've already gotten a dozen people to come back from these forums & SS already and more coming.

Good for Vangard, EQ & SWG suck.
Good night daughter.

And yes, BS & MS are 1 hit kill again, the newbies are loving it, just as much as I'm loving dodging it.

THE Lucifer - Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:16 pm
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You fail to realise kid, Joe is not SOE, he's a very minimal, minoric, underestmated and overlooked drone that due to his cluelessness he's desperately seeking help from anyone who'll offer.
He's neither wise nor experienced.
And he's all alone in his little campaign to impress "daddy" (who'll ignore him even he does any good). Like you are.
Much quite.

You are both ineffective.
You think your meager "efforts" make any difference.
They do not.

This is what seperates us from you kids.
We've been around this before, many times, we know.
You, however, are young, impatient, ignorant, naive and reckless.

GG son.
You amuse us up here.

I'm certain you amuse SOE as well...those who get bored enough to check down below.

DEWKat - Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:49 pm
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See, you're already wrong because we already HAVE made a difference and the more your kind try to keep us down the harder we'll press on.

The nobel fight is not one that can be won or lost on a whim, but rather it is the one that won or lost, there is no whim that will keep it from being fought.

Doesn't matter who is amused, what matters is that we are making a difference, we've gotten more than two dozen people to come back in under a week, despite the few people like you who say it can't be done. It is being done, whether you like it or not - and quite frankly I don't see why you care. But go on! Keep on putting down the little guy just 'cause you can! All it is to me is just another bump

THE Lucifer - Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:58 am
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Hahaha.
There's nothing noble in your virtual "fight".
And you are making no difference.

Besides, RT never had any glory to return to.

You are not a little guy, you are an insagnificant gnat.
The only bumping you're going to get is the one sending you straight into my domain.

Cerium - Sun Nov 13, 2005 3:16 am
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Why the fuck are you two fighting about a CR zone on an SS forum?

DEWKat - Sun Nov 13, 2005 10:15 am
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Because its keeping this bumped

Also collecting a list of changes to send off to Joe, so anyone who has tried RT but doesn't wanna play because of one thing or another feel free to add their input.

i88gerbils - Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:13 am
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The point is that it is not about SVS or "super" settings (I'm a strong advocate of SVS, but also of balanced other settings). However, there are similarities in gameplay that need to be addressed. SSOS is a place to start until at such time there is a good guide for creating a balanced CR or INF zone.

For instance, players like myself enjoyed Escape Pod because I liked the strategy of trying to get the keys, but most players ignored the objective to just kill people in a cramped spaceship environment. You can't make people do this or that. Gravball, Hockey, and Powerball probably have to enforce some rules however. TRaditional War Zone, when it was popular, was just a mess. There were plenty of freqs that just went out killing compared to the flaggers. Or the random 3-player freq trying to get a flag (i.e. me).

Trench Wars, ASWZ (in its height around 1998-2001), DSB, EG, War Zone, Chaos Zone, and others were all successfully built using this one lesson. Keep it simple & let the players do what they want. And remember that's just one tip.

Take another tip about Energy costs. Raising max energy completely unbalanced the game for a newbie. The lesson is that one setting out of hundreds can unbalance a game. Tricky work zone settings.

I did have an old Infantry Map Editor. I think it was version .36. Baited a player to post that he actually had it on the Brainscan/inf forum.

Having an open community helps too. None of this subscriber only shit on the forums.

THE Lucifer - Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:55 am
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Newbie zones (TW/EG/DSB/etc.) were successful because they cater to the lowest common dominator.
Providing quick and easy gratification to the otherwise skilless who'll be thrown around like a meatball between pitbulls in a SVS zone.
As well as some sense of accomplishment and being part of the team.

Powerball's new rule against purposely trying to kill people...most retarded ever.
I used to play gravball just to hunt down arbi and jeff or getting top kills, what's more fun than that?

KISS was the overall principal of SS as a whole than rather specific zone.
Infact, zones like EG were anything but simple: long list of rules, confusing map, all available gameplays, no defined purpose, weird settings, porn tiles... *cough* rx7/larkins/wormhole surfer *cough*.

WZ wasn't a mess, just...a warzone.
Was quite nice, fully packed arenas, 20 specers, 5 or so full freqs, fun.

Haha, you evil gerbil, I bet trix banned that sucker so fast his head spin faster than distributed.net were pimping the RC5.

Well, in overall game design, and as far as it parlays to SS clones, SSOS makes a good valueable reading.
But it is rather pointless when you break off the rather very limited engine SS was operated from.

Well, I have map editor version .65, .74 and .96 as well as other editing tools if you're interested.
Drop me a pm.

"None of this subscriber only shit on the forums."
Agrt.

Ironically, in the past SOE, being them (oh I could so go on with words here) selves, limited so much the communal participance in the game, as opposed to the (initial) openess we shared with VIE.
Now, with SOE more bussy staying afloat the bank red line and firing yankee, Joe is probably more free to do what he want within the game (no SOE oversight what-so-ever), he's obviously yelling for help and giving tools to quite a few people who he think might serve him (naturally, he'll be the one to take all credits inside SOE, if at all, haha).
Naturally, as always, SOE would allocate no resources to INF and it'll have to do on its own (sounds like a MIF briefing).

If any of you are cought you'll be disavowed and any knowledge of your activity will be denied.
This message will self destruction in T-2 years.

DEWKat - Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:08 pm
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Oh I'm sure of it, but as long as the zone gets made the way we want who gives a flying fart? And as far as I've heard Joe hasn't let ANYONE get a hold of the tools - the only actual work that anyone has done was to have a few people email him cfg files (most of which he discarded anyways

). We've been giving suggestions for what should happen for years, Joe is just the first to listen.

THE Lucifer - Sun Nov 13, 2005 2:21 pm
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I think you confuse listening with panic.

DEWKat - Sun Nov 13, 2005 3:15 pm
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as long as the zone gets made the way we want who gives a flying fart?

nuff said.

THE Lucifer - Sun Nov 13, 2005 4:54 pm
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DEWKat wrote:

as long as the zone gets made the way we want who gives a flying fart?

Newbie A: Make super 1 HKO bombs!
Newbie B: Make DEX so I can have upto 100!
Newbie C: Make archnid nulls that have fastest recharge!
Newbie D: Make shield that dumps 50% energy and 10% all others!
Newbie E: Make energy weapons have -20 fire delay and x5 muzzle speed!
Newbie F-Z: WTF!? WHY DO YOU LISTEN TO NEWBIE X! MAKE MY SUGGESTIONS INSTEAD!
Veteran: This place doesn't take skill, it's like a crappy MMORPG, skilless kid waste his entire school day to play this and get "level #100" and no matter what I do I can't kill him, BLAH!
Everyone in concert: OMFG! SUPER SHIPS? MEGA WEPS? WHY YOU MADE THIS! THIS PLACE SUX!

'Nuff said.
Faded.

Newbies...

Sony Newbies...

Sony "game designers/producers"...

DEWKat - Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:24 pm
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Yeah, we're still waiting on that part... Thankfully, all the people coming to play are old school RTers, not SSers like you.

THE Lucifer - Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:14 pm
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DEWKat wrote:

old school RTers.

Allow me to re-iterate the above posted image at the bottom of my previous post.

Second reason it's funny, I was one of the first people in RT.

DEWKat - Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:32 pm
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Good for you, wanna cookie? If you aren't part of the solution you're part of the problem - stop being part of the problem.

You aren't cool.
No one thinks you're cool.
Posting negative shit about SOE and Joe and INF and CR won't get you laid.
I'm going to have a coke and a smile.

There, my attempt to imitate SS style trolling... yay or nay?

Dr Brain - Sun Nov 13, 2005 10:43 pm
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Just ignore Gravitron. He's tried getting new aliases, but he's still every bit as grating as he was on the first alias.

THE Lucifer - Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:04 am
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No new alias.
Older name.
Wasn't first alias.

You newblets bring out the best of me, what can I say, starting with dear ryan.
And I'll grind you all into dust.
Starting with your body and ending with your soul.

DEWKat - Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:47 am
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Kinky...

THE Lucifer - Mon Nov 14, 2005 3:01 am
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No,
Devilicious!

Spyed - Mon Nov 14, 2005 11:43 am
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Oh be quiet!