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Solo Ace - Sat Jul 29, 2006 2:34 am
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I was told that in the US universities have different education levels. So when applying for a job they check the name of your university, and based on that they can tell if you're good or not?

I mean, there are like rich/good universities there, and just regular, and they differ in education levels, so a diploma from a rich/good university means a lot more than one from a regular university?

Sorry for being vague, but in this country a university is for really smart people. There any random dumbass can go to university, but you can only go to the good ones when you're rich? And based on which university you go to... you get selected for a job?

Is this true? And if it is... isn't this really lame?

Here any university diploma guarantees the same quality (of course based on the degree). It doesn't matter to employers which university you went to because all of them have to be good enough to receive money/support from the government, and if they suck they get closed.
Doesn't this make more sense than what my gf told me? She's from the USA, but I really hope she's wrong.

Muskrat - Sat Jul 29, 2006 3:41 am
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Its true for the most part. I can tell you that I'm probably getting just as good an education by being in the honors program of my school as a close friend who went to another school and pays more than 3x as much tuition.
Many schools specialize in an area, so one might have a better science and technology program versus a medical or business school and that is defenitely a factor for employers.

Chambahs - Sat Jul 29, 2006 3:59 am
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In my own opinion, I think colleges being better than others is retarded because of these reasons:

1. I can make a school and get a person that graduates from my college to become someone famous/important. Then I tell everyone about it, get the school famous, and then charge an insane ammount of money and only allow the best of the best students.

2. Employers look at your college/uni and if anything good pops up like yale or harvard, they blow a load in their pants and hire you asap. When in reality, this person could have screwed the smartest girl in the school and cheated through the whole thing.

College and Uni is gay, end of story.

BDwinsAlt - Sat Jul 29, 2006 9:42 am
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Your gf is right. The most expensive schools have a better rep. Someone would most likely hire you if you went to the University of California rather than West Virginia or Kentucky. (Google for some info on those states and see why). What you do is claim to have a German background. I am serious. The Mercades-Benz plant is in my county. We have a lot of germans. They get hired everywhere. Germans are so smart. They make the best antiviruses. American antiviruses suck and cost money.

This brings me to another issue. Tokyo get's 100 mbps upload/download for $50/mo. I am paying $45/mo. for 3 mbps download/ 256 kb upload.

Even some parts of finland have 100 mbps. I thought the US was supose to have all this new technology and all I see is shity service for more money.

Everything is about how rich you can get. Colleges charge way too much money. Just go to a college you can afford and get nice references. If your getting a job in the US and you speak more than one language you will probably get hired. Europeans seem to be liked more than Americans by the rest of the world anyways.

Assassin2684 - Sat Jul 29, 2006 10:34 am
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Ya, thats why I might move to japan. The US has turned from freedom to whoever is the richest gets the best. Its not fair to us people who work hard for a living.

(Deactived B l a h e r) - Sat Jul 29, 2006 10:55 am
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Assassin2684 wrote:

Ya, thats why I might move to japan. The US has turned from freedom to whoever is the richest gets the best. Its not fair to us people who work hard for a living.

I don't think you have the whole point of this, you can actually get a better education, then paying more to go to a Big state school.

For me instead of going to OSU, I'm going to a local community type colleage, called Stark Tech (part of a Kent state, branch, which is where the Kent state shootings accured). It's not only a lot cheaper then OSU, but it is one of the best Computer Science Educations in our state. Although it only offers me a associates degree, I can then transfer to a little bigger school, toledo, and get my BS.

Chambahs - Sat Jul 29, 2006 10:57 am
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The US has turned from freedom to whoever is the richest gets the best. Its not fair to us people who work hard for a living.

also my opinion, your an idiot.

Dr Brain - Sat Jul 29, 2006 11:18 am
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The rich, for the most part (not the inheritance children) are the hardest working people in the country. You could not do what they do. Then people like you take most of their money for welfare and other government programs. You're right, it's not freedom, but you've also got the wrong end of the stick.

Muskrat - Sat Jul 29, 2006 11:55 am
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I don't know any rich college students that didn't get it from a relative of some sort.

D1st0rt - Sat Jul 29, 2006 10:40 pm
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Brain you forgot immigrants as another hardworking demographic

Assassin2684 - Sun Jul 30, 2006 1:06 am
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Chambahs wrote:

Quote:

The US has turned from freedom to whoever is the richest gets the best. Its not fair to us people who work hard for a living.

also my opinion, your an idiot.

Yay! Nobody gives two shits what the fuck you think.

LearJett+ - Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:47 pm
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Yay! I love when 15 year olds bash America because of what they hear from the news or Michael Moore.

It's not that the rich kids get in to the Yales and the Harvards -- it's that they're so selective that they can have a high tuition.

I have a friend that goes to Harvard and he said that even if you make 6 digits a year, you get about 50% of the tuition in financial aid.

So it's more about being smart than being rich. If you get in to an Ivy it shows that you're capable... and THAT is what jobs look for.

BDwinsAlt - Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:20 pm
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Dr Brain wrote:

I agree with brain. My neighbor says he'll just take an unemployment check. It's funny how people at the store pay with food stamps and get all the name brand stuff and people who pay with cash stick to the cheaper stuff, you walk out and see they have a new car. I see this a lot.

Oh well who cares. Nothing will be done about that anyways. People get to lazy to work and just decide to go to the government.

I would like to say thank you for everyone trying to study, go to college, or work.

A lot of my friends get an allowence but I have to work for my money. I usually cut grass at my dads work. Since my dad is going to work somewhere else I won't be able to do that. Luckily I will be 16 on Sept 13th. I would like to get a job then.

That's just what I think. Please don't flame.

K' - Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:29 am
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It's all about networking.
The high-tier universities (harvard, yales, prinstone) have a lot of old members-sponsors which are rich, so they can afford the best teachers, the best equipment and so on.
In response, they also set out to achieve the best education and their benchmarks are of the highest to maintain their prestige (becouse rich people want to send their children to the best prestigeous schools, not a common public school or ones which are just moderate).
So in the end, it's all about money.
Becouse they want to draw in rich parents/financing who'll send their kids in for a formidable tuition, they need to set a high roof bar.
Becouse they set a high roof bar and a high tution, they get mostly rich's kids or ones who excelled in studies so well that they won scholarships and financial aids.
Naturally, rich business men want to hire peope associated with money or prestigeous institutions.
So coming from a more prestigeous school counts for more than earning a diploma from a more regular one.
It's a vicious circle of sorts.

"Money makes the world go 'round..."

LearJett+ - Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:12 am
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It's rare for someone to get in to an Ivy solely off of connections. You have to be exceptionally intelligent.

It also makes a difference as to what field you're going in to as to how much weight your college will have on what job you get.

BDwinsAlt - Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:19 pm
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K', McDonalds doesn't require a degree...

K' - Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:07 pm
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I trust you to know.
And I do want fries with that.

Animate Dreams - Thu Aug 03, 2006 3:23 pm
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The college thing is blown out of proportion in high school... all the teachers tell you to try to get into better colleges. Yeah, some colleges are better at certain things, I'm sure that's true everywhere. Different colleges are going to have good professors in some areas and bad in others. For example, Austin Peay, the college I'm going to for this next year, has a horrible computer department, because they don't put any resources into it.

But a lot of times, people in position to hire DON'T care what college you went to. In some cases, they don't even care what degree you have. They just want to weed out all the lazy people that didn't go to college. For example, at Verizon Wireless in the engineering department, they just want to know that you have a degree in that area. EE, Comp. E, or CS are all applicable degrees. Past that, they don't prefer one degree over another, and they don't pay much attention to your grades, either. And in some cases they don't even care what degree. Our new Associate Engineer that handles trouble tickets has a Psychology and Biology double major. Double major shows a lot of work ethic, but those degrees have nothing to do with Wireless technology.

So yeah, in certain fields and for particularly prestigious jobs, the college you went to can be a big deal, but as a general rule, that isn't true. Just getting the degree is what matters. Don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming to be an expert on this matter, but I have had a bit of personal experience through Verizon Wireless and my teachers from my Management classes.

BDwinsAlt - Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:06 pm
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Fix the fries yourself, I'm just the inspector.

Assassin2684 - Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:06 am
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Get off my internet.

Muskrat - Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:10 am
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Mmmmm, I could sure go for a burger now.

Cyan~Fire - Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:58 am
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Yeah, I sorta wanted to try for MIT, but sadly my family has just enough money for me to go there. Thus, it would basically clean them out. While my friend whose Mom earns very little money can go there quite comfortably as they're only charging him about 10% tuition.

Huh?

So yeah, that's why I'm going to the University of Florida. My friend will still be paying more per year than I'll pay over four years.

D1st0rt - Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:43 pm
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As long as it's not Florida State

Blocks - Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:19 pm
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Hmm...I think I can bring a unique perspective to this conversation because I currently attend an "elite" institution. I'm not rich, but I'm not poor either.

First off, a clarification for Solo Ace. In the United States there is not much of a distinction between "university" and "college." Although most universities and colleges here are for people who are smarter than average, on the whole they are not as exclusive (based on intelligence) as I perceive European institutions to be.

The United States has a broad range of universities, I think it's fair to say that some are much better than others. The Ivy League schools (Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Princeton, UPenn, and Yale) get a little more credit than they deserve because of their reputation, but they are still top-notch schools.

That being said, it's possible to get a very good education almost anywhere. Diplomas from elite institutions mean more because they imply a rigorous education by default. At a "lesser" institution, one might have had the same level of rigor due to personal effort, but there'd be no way to prove it. That's unfortunate.

On rich people being the only ones able to go to the "good" schools, that's not true. I got accepted at my school because I worked my ass off in high school, no other reason. People can get help with acceptance by having "legacy" or donating money, but admission is by no means limited to those people only.

Last thing, ability to pay. Yes, the top universities are expensive (with the exception of some public ones), but only if you can pay for it. Most institutions will give a generous financial aid package that make attending them managable.

I think that's all. Now, flame away.

D1st0rt - Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:52 am
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What "elite" institution do you attend?

Purge - Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:54 am
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I'll be attending John Hopkins hopefully next year. $$

D1st0rt - Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:30 am
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Purge wrote:

I'll be attending John Hopkins hopefully next year. $$

If I were you I would attempt to get into a university that actually exists.

Dr Brain - Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:45 am
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Awesome burn, D1.

Purge, good job. I just hope you aren't going to be a proofreading major.

Cyan~Fire - Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:18 am
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Richmond Community College... University

Purge - Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:03 pm
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Uh... John Hopkins University has one of the most diverse medical programs in the country. If not, the best.

Or am I missing something from your "burn"?

Agurus - Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:11 pm
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Wow congrats.

D1st0rt - Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:24 pm
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Like I said John Hopkins University doesn't exist, so it can't have a medical program.

LearJett+ - Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:20 am
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it's Johns Hopkins. i hope you spell it write on your resume.

Purge - Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:47 am
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LOL

Woops.

LearJett+ - Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:31 pm
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on the top of my resume last year that i sent to Georgetown:

Objective: To attain admission into the University of Virginia.

smooth move, eh?

D1st0rt - Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:35 pm
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LearJett+ wrote:

i hope you spell it write

Too easy, not even going to bother.

Ew who would want to go to UVA?

Muskrat - Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:38 pm
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Noobz, that's who!

LearJett+ - Sun Aug 13, 2006 3:23 am
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D1st0rt wrote:

Too easy

heh it was a joke.

D1, I have a friend that goes to virginia tech. what are you majoring in?

D1st0rt - Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:52 am
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Mechanical Engineering (minor in cs)

LearJett+ - Sun Aug 13, 2006 1:01 pm
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my friend was in mechanical or civil but switched to minerals or whatever it's called.

D1st0rt - Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:33 am
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Yeah we have like the largest Mining and Minerals engineering program in the country

Blocks - Sun Aug 20, 2006 4:11 am
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D1st0rt wrote:

What "elite" institution do you attend?

Caltech, little school in southern California.

Purge wrote:

I'll be attending John Hopkins hopefully next year. $$

I thought it was that for the longest time too.

Assassin2684 - Sun Aug 20, 2006 8:29 am
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Im probably going to Florida State University. I may be going in for Art/Drawing.

LearJett+ - Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:21 am
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ooo, Caltech is tough to get in to. what's your major?

Blocks - Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:04 pm
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LearJett+ wrote:

what's your major?

mechanical engineering

Purge - Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:37 pm
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Blocks wrote:

I thought it was that for the longest time too.

What do you mean?

Blocks - Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:10 pm
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Purge wrote:

What do you mean?

The name of the school is actually Johns Hopkins University.

Purge - Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:13 pm
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Oh, yeah.

It's not every day you see a guy named Johns.

Solo Ace - Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:49 pm
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Well, I had a look on the "university" my gf wants to go to; she was completely hysterical when we got there while I was trying to get rid of my tunnel vision. Dutch city traffic jams kick ass!
Anyway, the building was quite big, all the students were happy gay.

The disturbing thing is, they have the balls to call it a university in this country, while it's actually HBO (not academic). The Hague university, my ass, it's just a college.

The law students spoke better english than the teacher. He didn't even try it seemed and the business & management teacher had a sucky attitude and a very sloppy powerpoint presentation.

Oh well, thank god I go to a real university; which is actually a university for our standards.

baseball43v3r - Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:18 pm
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college can usually imply a 2 year program, or community college aspect. while university is always 4 years and they usually include graduate programs. the exception to this is some colleges are exclusively graduate programs, but are thus still only 2 years.

ok so i went a private all-guys catholic school here in southern california, and we had kids that went across the spectrum according to universities and colleges. we had guys that went to MIT, Brown, UPenn, Princeton, and so on and so forth, and then you had the guys that went to the local community colleges like chaffey and mt sac. the demographic of my school was middle to upper-middle to upper class familes.

I thought the wierd thing was though that almost everybody at my school got financial aid. my best friend is going to USC but he's getting somewhere along the lines of 30K a year in scholarships and grants, which takes out a significant portion of tuition. He is middle class, and race doesnt matter apparantly because a white guy in the same situation got about the same amount.

This all goes to show that anybody can get financial aid no matter where they go, be it the Ivy's or USC or anywhere for that matter.

on a side note, most of the teachers are "imported" nowadays so while they are highly intelligent they often dont speak English that well.

For those that are wondering i'm an architecture major at Cal Poly Pomona (which is near caltech). i didnt apply for financial aid because well, it costs less for me to go to college then it did to go to high school! State Schools FTW!

Animate Dreams - Sat Nov 10, 2007 9:58 pm
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Sigh, is this still Alexa?

Quan Chi2 - Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:17 pm
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I'm applying for different college now. My grades suck. I think college is over rated by today's society. Sure, a degree makes for a great credential, but it seems like just about anyone can get a degree. I think business owners just want people who can do the job they want to be done. I don't think everything rides on what college you attended. I think it's mainly about experience in the field you're applying for a job in.

I don't really know though. This whole college thing is new to me. I just want to know everything there is to know about a field I'm interested in going into. If a community college gives me that knowledge, then great. If a university gives me that knowledge, then great. If a technology college gives me that knowledge, then great. In the end, as long as I get all the knowledge I need to be great in the subject I'm most interested in, I'll be successful.