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[Solo Ace]

I was told that in the US universities have different education levels. So when applying for a job they check the name of your university, and based on that they can tell if you're good or not?

I mean, there are like rich/good universities there, and just regular, and they differ in education levels, so a diploma from a rich/good university means a lot more than one from a regular university?

Sorry for being vague, but in this country a university is for really smart people. There any random dumbass can go to university, but you can only go to the good ones when you're rich? And based on which university you go to... you get selected for a job?

Is this true? And if it is... isn't this really lame?

Here any university diploma guarantees the same quality (of course based on the degree). It doesn't matter to employers which university you went to because all of them have to be good enough to receive money/support from the government, and if they suck they get closed.
Doesn't this make more sense than what my gf told me? She's from the USA, but I really hope she's wrong.

[Muskrat]

Its true for the most part. I can tell you that I'm probably getting just as good an education by being in the honors program of my school as a close friend who went to another school and pays more than 3x as much tuition.
Many schools specialize in an area, so one might have a better science and technology program versus a medical or business school and that is defenitely a factor for employers.

[Chambahs]

In my own opinion, I think colleges being better than others is retarded because of these reasons:

1. I can make a school and get a person that graduates from my college to become someone famous/important. Then I tell everyone about it, get the school famous, and then charge an insane ammount of money and only allow the best of the best students.

2. Employers look at your college/uni and if anything good pops up like yale or harvard, they blow a load in their pants and hire you asap. When in reality, this person could have screwed the smartest girl in the school and cheated through the whole thing.

College and Uni is gay, end of story.

[BDwinsAlt]

Your gf is right. The most expensive schools have a better rep. Someone would most likely hire you if you went to the University of California rather than West Virginia or Kentucky. (Google for some info on those states and see why). What you do is claim to have a German background. I am serious. The Mercades-Benz plant is in my county. We have a lot of germans. They get hired everywhere. Germans are so smart. They make the best antiviruses. American antiviruses suck and cost money.

This brings me to another issue. Tokyo get's 100 mbps upload/download for $50/mo. I am paying $45/mo. for 3 mbps download/ 256 kb upload.

Even some parts of finland have 100 mbps. I thought the US was supose to have all this new technology and all I see is shity service for more money.

Everything is about how rich you can get. Colleges charge way too much money. Just go to a college you can afford and get nice references. If your getting a job in the US and you speak more than one language you will probably get hired. Europeans seem to be liked more than Americans by the rest of the world anyways.

[Assassin2684]

Ya, thats why I might move to japan. The US has turned from freedom to whoever is the richest gets the best. Its not fair to us people who work hard for a living.

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[Chambahs]

[Dr Brain]

The rich, for the most part (not the inheritance children) are the hardest working people in the country. You could not do what they do. Then people like you take most of their money for welfare and other government programs. You're right, it's not freedom, but you've also got the wrong end of the stick.
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[Muskrat]

I don't know any rich college students that didn't get it from a relative of some sort.

[D1st0rt]

Brain you forgot immigrants as another hardworking demographic
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[Assassin2684]

[LearJett+]

Yay! I love when 15 year olds bash America because of what they hear from the news or Michael Moore.

It's not that the rich kids get in to the Yales and the Harvards -- it's that they're so selective that they can have a high tuition.

I have a friend that goes to Harvard and he said that even if you make 6 digits a year, you get about 50% of the tuition in financial aid.

So it's more about being smart than being rich. If you get in to an Ivy it shows that you're capable... and THAT is what jobs look for.

[BDwinsAlt]

[K']

It's all about networking.
The high-tier universities (harvard, yales, prinstone) have a lot of old members-sponsors which are rich, so they can afford the best teachers, the best equipment and so on.
In response, they also set out to achieve the best education and their benchmarks are of the highest to maintain their prestige (becouse rich people want to send their children to the best prestigeous schools, not a common public school or ones which are just moderate).
So in the end, it's all about money.
Becouse they want to draw in rich parents/financing who'll send their kids in for a formidable tuition, they need to set a high roof bar.
Becouse they set a high roof bar and a high tution, they get mostly rich's kids or ones who excelled in studies so well that they won scholarships and financial aids.
Naturally, rich business men want to hire peope associated with money or prestigeous institutions.
So coming from a more prestigeous school counts for more than earning a diploma from a more regular one.
It's a vicious circle of sorts.


"Money makes the world go 'round..."

[LearJett+]

It's rare for someone to get in to an Ivy solely off of connections. You have to be exceptionally intelligent.

It also makes a difference as to what field you're going in to as to how much weight your college will have on what job you get.
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[BDwinsAlt]

K', McDonalds doesn't require a degree...

[K']

I trust you to know.
And I do want fries with that.

[Animate Dreams]

The college thing is blown out of proportion in high school... all the teachers tell you to try to get into better colleges. Yeah, some colleges are better at certain things, I'm sure that's true everywhere. Different colleges are going to have good professors in some areas and bad in others. For example, Austin Peay, the college I'm going to for this next year, has a horrible computer department, because they don't put any resources into it.

But a lot of times, people in position to hire DON'T care what college you went to. In some cases, they don't even care what degree you have. They just want to weed out all the lazy people that didn't go to college. For example, at Verizon Wireless in the engineering department, they just want to know that you have a degree in that area. EE, Comp. E, or CS are all applicable degrees. Past that, they don't prefer one degree over another, and they don't pay much attention to your grades, either. And in some cases they don't even care what degree. Our new Associate Engineer that handles trouble tickets has a Psychology and Biology double major. Double major shows a lot of work ethic, but those degrees have nothing to do with Wireless technology.

So yeah, in certain fields and for particularly prestigious jobs, the college you went to can be a big deal, but as a general rule, that isn't true. Just getting the degree is what matters. Don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming to be an expert on this matter, but I have had a bit of personal experience through Verizon Wireless and my teachers from my Management classes.

[BDwinsAlt]

Fix the fries yourself, I'm just the inspector.

[Assassin2684]

Get off my internet.

[Muskrat]

Mmmmm, I could sure go for a burger now.

[Cyan~Fire]

Yeah, I sorta wanted to try for MIT, but sadly my family has just enough money for me to go there. Thus, it would basically clean them out. While my friend whose Mom earns very little money can go there quite comfortably as they're only charging him about 10% tuition.

Huh?

So yeah, that's why I'm going to the University of Florida. My friend will still be paying more per year than I'll pay over four years.
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[D1st0rt]

As long as it's not Florida State

[Blocks]

Hmm...I think I can bring a unique perspective to this conversation because I currently attend an "elite" institution. I'm not rich, but I'm not poor either.

First off, a clarification for Solo Ace. In the United States there is not much of a distinction between "university" and "college." Although most universities and colleges here are for people who are smarter than average, on the whole they are not as exclusive (based on intelligence) as I perceive European institutions to be.

The United States has a broad range of universities, I think it's fair to say that some are much better than others. The Ivy League schools (Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Princeton, UPenn, and Yale) get a little more credit than they deserve because of their reputation, but they are still top-notch schools.

That being said, it's possible to get a very good education almost anywhere. Diplomas from elite institutions mean more because they imply a rigorous education by default. At a "lesser" institution, one might have had the same level of rigor due to personal effort, but there'd be no way to prove it. That's unfortunate.

On rich people being the only ones able to go to the "good" schools, that's not true. I got accepted at my school because I worked my ass off in high school, no other reason. People can get help with acceptance by having "legacy" or donating money, but admission is by no means limited to those people only.

Last thing, ability to pay. Yes, the top universities are expensive (with the exception of some public ones), but only if you can pay for it. Most institutions will give a generous financial aid package that make attending them managable.

I think that's all. Now, flame away.

[D1st0rt]

What "elite" institution do you attend?