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Bak - Wed Oct 05, 2005 12:50 am
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it's more like auto-ignore than censorship

Mr Ekted - Wed Oct 05, 2005 1:38 am
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Bak wrote:

it's more like auto-ignore than censorship

It's someone deciding what is offensive to others. Fuck that.

Mr Ekted - Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:33 pm
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I am an American white male and I think the word "hello" is a racist slur toward me. Are you going to add it to your Nazi file?

Dr Brain - Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:35 pm
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That's why I refuse to have a computer filter language in my zone. Only a human can do it with any degree of accuracy.

i88gerbils - Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:37 pm
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Does anybody want to go excercise their free speech?

Dr Brain - Thu Oct 06, 2005 9:21 pm
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i88gerbils wrote:

Does anybody want to go excercise their free speech?

Free speech only applies when it's the government trying to shut you up, not a private entity.

i88gerbils - Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:15 pm
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No, everyone can speak their minds anywhere they want to. However there are some people who will not assume responsibility. This is also true for sysops as much as it is for players.

Bak - Fri Oct 07, 2005 12:23 am
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Call a cop a "pig" to his face and he'll arrest you.

Spam forums and your post will be junked.

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Free speech only applies when it's the government trying to shut you up, not a private entity.

i88gerbils - Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:07 am
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Bak wrote:

Call a cop a "pig" to his face and he'll arrest you.

Yes, a cop might, but there is no legal precedent for it unless you're already going to be arrested anyway.

Bak - Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:22 am
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just calling the cop a pig is enough to get you arrested

http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=13272

Maverick - Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:58 am
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Maverick wrote:

There is a difference between calling a cop a "pig" and telling the cop that you find him a "pig".

The difference is that in the second one you express your opinion, the first one doesn't do that.

BlueGoku - Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:42 am
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Mr Ekted wrote:

No matter what you do, you can't filter all possible "creative" text: sh1t, @ssh0le, etc.

In HZ we only filter out the racism. If someone is avoiding the filter then they get silenced. That way if people want to joke around with their friends and call eachother racist names, that's fine, there's no malicious intent. But if someone wants to go out of their way to call a player who has the racism filter turned on a racist name through use of special characters, that's where we draw the line.

Personally I don't see what your issue is with this, Ekted, I know you're big on freedom speech and all that, but before I implemented this rule there used to be a strict non-racism policy in HZ, and more than a couple bans for it each day. This is a perfect compromise for the people who are genuinely offended (yeah, I find it hard to believe that someone would get offended over text, but there's really no way of telling).

D1st0rt - Fri Oct 07, 2005 2:25 pm
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Ekted is big on free speech but not on open source, interesting.

Mr Ekted - Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:16 pm
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Free speech is what you are allowed to do. Open source is what others expect of you. Two different directions. And I am not against open source. I just don't think it is a panacea.

Chambahs - Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:17 pm
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whats a panacea?

Cyan~Fire - Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:57 pm
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Ekted wrote:

No matter what you do, you can't filter all possible "creative" text: sh1t, @ssh0le, etc.

Exactly. I'm not in favor of foul speech, but I'm not in favor of blockers either.

Mr Ekted - Fri Oct 07, 2005 4:09 pm
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Chambahs wrote:

whats a panacea?

A dictionary works wonders.

i88gerbils - Fri Oct 07, 2005 6:40 pm
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Maybe in Hick towns of the 18th century like in Montana, but in California it won't fly.

Maverick - Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:15 pm
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Someone should split this topic

Anonymous - Sun Oct 09, 2005 11:16 am
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Of course you won't be able to filter everything, but for your example you could write code to replace characters, and then run a check to prevent people from trying to bypass.

But... whatever, I don't even know why I'm even visiting these forums here.

Cyan~Fire - Sun Oct 09, 2005 1:29 pm
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Solo Ape? Who's he?

Muskrat - Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:16 am
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Anonymous - Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:23 am
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Still in Spain, unfortunately...

¿Who do you think it is?

¡They're crazy here! ¡They don't use one question mark for questions here, but two!

And the beds are crap, I'd rather sleep on the floor.
Time to sue them for making my neck hurt.

Ah well, time to fly back home today.

Adios.

Spyed - Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:22 am
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Yeah right and batman can't handle the oranges in Subspace?

Purge - Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:03 pm
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Solo Ape wrote:

Still in Spain, unfortunately...

¿Who do you think it is?

¡They're crazy here! ¡They don't use one question mark for questions here, but two!

¿No se habla espanol?

Spyed - Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:05 pm
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Spyed tiene un arse agradable

Ori Klein - Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:29 pm
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I have no problem with obscene.txt, as intended by VIE.
If a player find something as offensive and place it there, their problem.
Client side = client's business.

However, I find the notion of enforcing server-issued obscene.txt and as well as enforcing its enablement via server-side issued order deplorable.

As Ekted said, it's someone making decisions for you.

A panacea much like placebo share a common element with "utopia".
In pure greek, utopia means no-place.
Utopia is an utopia, simply because it does not exist.
Had it existed, a man would've found a way to reach it and then consequently defile it, which then it would no longer be an utopia.
Placebo and Panacea exist, in mind and theory, simply because they do not exist.

Open source is an alternative, maybe a placebo to some, it can't be a panacea, were it to, then it would cease to exist (at least as a panacea) that very instant.

Bak - Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:37 pm
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we're moving towards a utopia pretty quickly

look at how people viewed heaven thousands of years ago... it's how we're living today. We're living better than kings did 300 years ago.

Mr Ekted - Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:52 pm
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Yet we still kill and injure and steal and lie.

Muskrat - Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:08 am
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That's for Christians to do when they feel bad for having such perfect lives.

Ori Klein - Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:06 am
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A man should beware of the tendency for raising expectations, lest when reaching heaven he may find out that the heavens are not so heavenly after all as he previously conceived.

Spyed - Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:44 am
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Kings 300 years ago had bad teeth, bad breath, didn't know anything about dietry, caught diseases and always got Aids because they had sex too much.

Dr Brain - Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:19 am
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AIDS? Learn your history...

Spyed - Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:21 am
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Yes Aids :/

Bak - Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:50 pm
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"The official date for the beginning of the AIDS epidemic is marked as June 18, 1981, when the US Center for Disease Control and Prevention reported a cluster of Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia (now classified as Pneumocystis jiroveci pneumonia) in five gay men in Los Angeles in the early 1980s."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aids

learn your history

Spyed - Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:10 pm
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learn your history

Bak - Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:23 pm
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My bad, you're right

D1st0rt - Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:47 pm
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Bak, you have to remember that wikipedia can be written by anyone so it can't be considered a truthful source of information. Spyed, please go fix that article.

LearJett+ - Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:35 am
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Consider the fact that as we get more technologically advanced, our lives get harder.

Long ago people didn't even go through elementary school. That became common and them only some went to highschool. Then that became common and it was special to go to college. Now people say that if you want to make good money you need a grad degree or higher.

We think our lives are getting better, but truthfully they aren't. For every advancement we have to get another and another. I'd rather just live on a farm and work 9 months out of the year. That would be so simple... so easy.

i88gerbils - Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:57 am
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Awesome! We need more people like you.

Dr Brain - Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:22 am
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LearJett+ wrote:

You're mistaking the gradual failure of the education system for the rise of technology.

D1st0rt - Wed Oct 12, 2005 1:59 pm
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I think a lot of people are actually getting stupider because of the ease of life. They don't have to work as hard to survive anymore.

Purge - Wed Oct 12, 2005 1:59 pm
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And drugs.

Bak - Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:56 pm
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I'd rather work 8 hour workdays starting at age 22 than 16 hour workdays starting at age 12

Spyed - Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:10 am
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I'd rather work at home