Server Help

BlueGoku · Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 7:37 pm Post subject: linux server

Alright so HZ is ready to make the move from Windows to Linux. The only problem is, we're not too sure what will work best with ASSS. We've been on ASSS under Windows for about two years now, and we've had a lot of problems with crashing and lag, but we've also solved a lot of issues (at least ones that we could).

Basically we want to be sure that the Linux server we choose is going to be 100% right for ASSS and any problems we encounter are going to be strictly on the software side, which should be solvable.

So yeah, you guys that have more experience with Linux, please help! Anything from server suggestions to suggested specs would be appreciated.

Blue
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tcsoccerman · Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 8:40 pm Post subject:

I've heard it's best on linux, but i'm a windows still, just saying what i've heard.

BlueGoku · Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject:

Naturally. Yeah, ASSS was designed for Linux so I'm sure it runs smoother on it. %100 of the reasoning behind our move from Windows to Linux.

Animate Dreams · Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 9:27 pm Post subject:

I really shouldn't speak as an experienced Linux user, but if you mean what Linux distro to use, I'm pretty sure they'd all work fine. I've personally had it working on Gentoo, Debian, and Fedora Core(the one I primarily use), and all of those would probably be great choices. I've heard Fedora Core called a noob Linux, but I don't know if that means there's necessarily something wrong with it. But if you're asking this question, I'm guessing you're not personally that experienced with Linux. I think it's safe to say you'll need someone around who is to help manage the server - in which case, you should probably just go with whichever flavor of Linux he(/she? lol) prefers.

Cyan~Fire · Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 10:25 pm Post subject:

I'm not an expert, but I'll tell you what I know.

There are Linux distros that are more suited to running servers and the like, but ASSS is pretty lightweight so any distro should be fine. If you guys don't have (much) experience with Linux, I would recommend going with Ubuntu probably because it's the easiest to setup and use.

Then again, I've never run a 24/7 server on Ubuntu (or any Linux for that matter) so take my advice with a grain of salt.
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Blocks · Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 1:34 am Post subject: ASSS on Linux

I too, am no Linux expert. However, I do run a Linux server 24/7 with the following specs:

Ubuntu Server 6.10
Intel L440GX+ Server Board
Dual Pentium III 750mhz processors
512 mb ECC RAM
PATA Mirrored RAID

ASSS runs on it just fine. Of course the biggest load it has ever had on it is maybe about 10 people, playing a simple powerball game. No issues at all with that, everything was quite smooth. If your custom modules are coded smart-like you probably won't have any issues with server specs.

I have been very happy with Ubuntu Server just because it's so darned easy to use. Installation is very simple, and Debian's "apt" thingy gets an SSH server running in less than a minute. You can also use "apt" to get the latest versions of MySQL, Python, and anything else your ASSS setup might be using. There might be better solutions out there but Ubuntu is very kind to n00bs like me.

Dr Brain · Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 8:33 am Post subject:

Anything more than 256mb of ram and 500MHz will do you fine, if you're going to be the only zone.

Since you're a linux newbie, I'd recommend whatever your data center supports. Fedora is probably the most common.
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BDwinsAlt · Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 9:44 pm Post subject:

Of course I have to reply. I use Ubuntu and it works fine. ASSS runs fine on SuSe too. I've yet to hear of a distro where it doesn't work. Good luck!

BlueGoku · Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject:

Thanks guys, that helps -a lot-. Yeah, I was referring to OS mostly. I've got a lot of experience with servers in general (Windows) so I know what we need spec wise for that, but for Linux I thought it may be a totally different ball game. I'm a Linux newbie, but our head developer isn't, so we should be okay on any distro that ASSS can run on.

I'm not quite sure if I'm ever going to be hosting other zones, but I'm definitely wanting to get a server that can support a pretty big load in case I do end up doing it, or in the more likely scenario that we merge with another zone.

Do you guys have any server recommendations? We've had some pretty bad luck with lag from the servers we've been on in the past, so if any of you are on really good servers latency wise, let me know.

Thanks again.

Blue

BDwinsAlt · Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 9:19 pm Post subject:

One ASSS dev zone on SSCI gives me 30-40 ms constantly. It uses ThePlanet. I heard ThePlanet wasn't the best place to get a server though. Lag seem better on SSCI than most zones I've been to.

Chambahs · Power attack Joined: Jun 19 2005 Posts: 820 Offline

Thats because D+ is spending a shitload of money to get some really high speeds. Zim showed me a screenshot of the server having the fastest Up/Download speeds one of those "Test your connection speed" websites. And D+ has told me he spends a good chunk of change on SSCI.

steigerwald · Novice Joined: Mar 27 2006 Posts: 34 Offline

Bluegoku, I could give you a dev zone to test changing form windows to linux. Currently I'm hosting hyperspace.Just let me know, I would be glad to help.

BlueGoku · Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 11:39 pm Post subject:

Definitely taking you up on that.

Question for you guys:

Is there a difference between different versions of the same OS? If so, what should I aim for? Say for example my choices are:

Fedora Core 4 (64-bit)
Fedora Core 5 (64-bit)
Fedora Core 6 (64-bit)

Animate Dreams · Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 12:56 am Post subject:

Get 6. The only reason to use an older version is if you already have a bunch of stuff running on it and don't want to convert, or something like that. But 6 is an improvement over 5(I know from personal experience). Things are more likely to work with 6, as well.

Dr Brain · Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 9:09 am Post subject:

For something like asss, it probably doesn't matter. If you have a choice, later versions are usually more error free, but if you don't get a choice, don't lose sleep over it.

Doc Flabby · Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 10:20 am Post subject:

I've heard good things about CentOS. Not used it tho.
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steigerwald · Novice Joined: Mar 27 2006 Posts: 34 Offline

i use centOS and love it. good for webserver and i run asss on it as well.

BlueGoku · Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 8:26 pm Post subject:

Very helpful, thanks fellas.

phong · Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 4:22 pm Post subject:

Fedora is the test bed for red hat enterprise server. CentOS is just red hat enterprise rebranded and free (thats why its versioning system matches red hat). CentOS is what you should be using if you are running a production server (or pay for RHE), as it is more secure and the packages have been tested (through fedora) over time. If you do run fedora I recommend you run 5 or 4, as 6 is really just a testing platform with the newest and coolest packages, but you wont be needing any of those with asss. But since 7 is about to be released I believe 6 has been finalized so might be pretty safe to use.

In the end any box can be secure or insecure, just depends on its administrator.

And reset the pw on phong pls