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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:26 am    Post subject: Faking population? Reply to topic Reply with quote

Is it possible for an As3 zone (or maybe even for a subgame zone) to fake population? I'm asking because recently a zone called '1337' has screwed up some statistics.

If an as3 zone can, that would really be stupid because then I need to build something to remove abusive zones icon_confused.gif
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

yes it can.

With asss you can also track the per-arena statistics, as well as how many people are playing vs sitting in spec.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

The directory server protocol is know, you could write an application to send fake data in a couple of minutes.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Too bad people abuse it then.
It means I have to add functionality to stats.trenchwars.org to ban zones for abusing the population number. Heh, I should first make it possible to delete zones through the admin panel icon_smile.gif
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

That zone wasn't using AS3 according to the statistics pages. That was subgame I think (stats said it was version 134).
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

spawning 100x merv bots or something i suppose could fake population too tongue.gif
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I think all zones say they're version 134, which probably cooresponds to VIE Subspace 1.34?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

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That zone wasn't using AS3 according to the statistics pages. That was subgame I think (stats said it was version 134).

It seems that the as3 servers identify themselves as that version number (thus the same as subgame). This is done by the directory server since that stats never query the server itself.
EDIT: As bak said ^^

It must have been as3 since I have tried doing that with mervbot and a local server: it could only handle about 50 bots. He upped the population by almost a thousand - that's impossible with bots.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I think some of the dirservs only accept 134 for server version so asss has to use it too. Even if it used another version it could still be spoofed by recompiling the relevant module.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

However the only two public directory servers that work accept any version number i think....

I doubt the people abusing the population are trying to mess up the stats. More likly they are doing it in the vain hope it will attract people to their zone. However this is kinda pointless....as anyone connecting will find out it is empty...
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Indeed, not to mention only people that are downloading a zone list will see the zone with high population.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

you can fake the zone population you get from pinging just as easily.
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