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Gus. · Last edited by Gus. on Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:23 am, edited 3 times in total

Let the battle begin

Bak · Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 12:40 am Post subject:

I'd make you an ASSS plugin for it, any chance you're using ASSS?

Gus. · Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:01 am Post subject:

nope. we arent using any asss at this time.

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Hey BaK. I noticed you'd prefer coding a lot of your stuff for as3 instead of merv. Why is that? Don't you know Merv pretty well?

Bak · Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:16 am Post subject:

yeah... think of it this way

If I was making a movie I'd release it on DVD not VHS, even though I might now how to do it on VHS.

ASSS is the future, no sense in fighting it.

Dr Brain · Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:50 am Post subject:

And for anything more complicated than ?helloworld, it's easier to make things with ASSS.
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Agurus · Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:33 pm Post subject:

ASSS isn't very stable for large zones, despite it's amazing features it isn't worth the unstability.
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D1st0rt · Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:41 pm Post subject:

It's good enough for Hockey Zone, and I wouldn't consider them a small zone. It's not unstable if you know what you're doing and don't have buggy modules.
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Then mabye I need to ditch merv and enter the future, ASSS.

Muskrat · Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:28 pm Post subject:

Go for it. 'Unstability' issues are in subgame+bots to, as you should well know, Ag.

Cerium · Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:36 pm Post subject:

*sendto for the win.
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Gus. · Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: Looking for a custom plugin.

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Bak · Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 6:51 pm Post subject:

Cyan~Fire · Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 7:00 pm Post subject:

Yep, I spent weeks on a MERV upgrade (I was going to call it SALT, if anyone gets it), but decided to drop it since I'm asss all the way.
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Quan · Guest Offline

Okay. Its offical then. Im going to look into ASSS. C looks harder to learn than C++ though. Python seems cool, but I heard its only good for making quick modules.

Agurus · Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 7:51 pm Post subject:

bleh HZ got lucky

Bak · Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:12 pm Post subject:

pythons limitations are that you can't create interfaces with it and it only supports a (large) subset of the functions you can use in C. And there are workarounds for the functions it doesn't support.

In one example I wanted to perform an action whenever a player fired a bomb. Since there is no callback for this, the way I would do it in C is to use net->addPacket for C2S_Position and examine the packet to check if the player is firing a weapon. Since function pointers don't translate well to python, this was not possible (indeed you couldn't even attempt to use the funtion from the net interface in python). The solution (hack) I came up with was to, rather than recompile pymod with a new callback, use a c module to perform the necessary logic, and issue a callback python can use (I chose CB_CHATMSG with a unique mode that identified this as a bomb callback (normalled CB_CHATMSG uses modes 0-12, so I used 13)). If you want to see the source for this module, it's attached.

Anyhoo, most of the limitations of python can be eliminated by creating simple C modules (which if you find a way to crash the server with them, you should be shot).

Dr Brain · Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:50 pm Post subject:

Ew? That's a gross hack.

What happens when everyone else uses your idea and starts filling the CB_CHATMSG with random numbers? eventually you'll get overlap and BOOM, two entirely seperate modules no longer work together. It'd be a pain in the ass to find, too.

Bak · Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:04 am Post subject:

the idea is only use one pyhack module at a time, but you're right, it is a terrible hack. I suppose you could fill the message part of the data with the name of the module you intend it to be used for, or better yet the type of callback that it is. That would prevent the problem you proposed.

At any rate, it looks like when grel creates "dynamic interfaces and callbacks for python" as his bug tracking system says he's working on, this problem will go away and you'll be able to just use regular callbacks for this sort of thing.

BlueGoku · Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:53 am Post subject:

D1st0rt · Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 4:15 pm Post subject:

Agurus just because you can't get it to work doesn't mean that other people can't

Gus. · Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 3:58 am Post subject:

New topic name for you all. <3

Cyan~Fire · Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:24 pm Post subject:

Everybody who does not accept that ASSS is better than bots is just afraid of new technology.

BDwinsAlt · Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 2:55 pm Post subject:

poor TWCore is being left out.