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EdTheInvincible · Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:56 pm Post subject:

Area and AreaWarper, they were the bots that made HyperSpace work before ASSS.
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Bak · Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:16 pm Post subject:

D1st0rt · Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 7:33 pm Post subject:

Uhhh... not quite
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Dr Brain · Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 8:04 pm Post subject:

Uhhh... not even close.
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Cerium · Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 8:14 pm Post subject:

How so?

Dr Brain · Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:21 pm Post subject:

To my knowlegde, AreaWarper was the most complex warping bot in subspace. Of course, no one sees the warper, they only see the money and item tracking of AreaBot, which, by the way, is also unsurpassed.

The warping stuff I've done on ASSS isn't even close to what I did under TWCore, because I'm not a fabulous C coder. It's harder for me to understand the C libraries and get them to do backflips like I can with the Java libs.

That was the point I was trying to make. With the Java API, the complex is easy to do.

Bak · Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:01 pm Post subject:

What else did areawarper do that wasn't done in ASSS?

Dr Brain · Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:37 pm Post subject:

I only duplicated it's catapult system under ASSS. I implemented neither space folding nor hyperspatial transferring.

liito-orava · Novice Gender: Joined: Sep 24 2003 Posts: 41 Offline

One odd thing is that TWCore seems to take bot op lists directly from moderate.txt/smod.txt/sysop.txt. Am I wrong in that you really can't use system like merv has (!addop !editop etc) without modifying the core?

That wouldn't be too difficult to do but I don't like the idea like that because you'd have to do changes always when you update the core too.
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Dr Brain · Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 1:23 pm Post subject:

Why do you need a system like MERV has? I think TWCore's autostaff system is far superior to MERV's !addop.

D1st0rt · Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 2:44 pm Post subject:

We just added some new stuff to the operator list that allows two more levels. High Mod, which is between Mod and SMod, and Outsider which is between ZH and ER but has the ability to spawn bots. Outsider is used to put people in the access list without having them be staff in the respective zone.

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Cyan~Fire · Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 4:40 pm Post subject:

And TWCore uses less than that.
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Cerium · Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 6:37 pm Post subject:

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Solo Ace · Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 7:08 am Post subject:

You can run at least 100% / 40% = 2.5 spawns!
Well, no, you people are comparing the wrong things to eachother, by just telling how much "% connection resources" the bots use how can you tell how many spawns it can handle?
You can't, there are different connection speeds, you know.

Just an off-topic question, but uhm, why did you name it Hybrid? I didn't check any website or other threads about it, but looking at the name is it using two different ways for something?

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Dr Brain · Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 9:01 am Post subject:

Yes you could run 7 bots that do nothing on your connection. BUT, try to run a bot that actually does something....

And of course, we're all assuming that the 40% is accurate.

Cerium · Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 9:07 am Post subject:

From the site:
"The dictionary defines 'hybrid' as something of mixed origin or composition, which holds true here. Hybrid is a mix of all features I liked from MERVBot and TWCore, as well as some of my own twisted and/or worthless ideas."

BDwinsAlt · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:15 pm Post subject:

Yeah im late on this topic. I even got this message "Please note that this topic is old. Replying to dead topics without introducing new material is frowned upon. Please only post if your topic is directly related with this thread."

But the TWCore Pros:
1.Runs on more than windows.
2.Very ez to make changes.
3.Noobs can use it.
4.Its very simple to understand while c++ is difficult.

TWCore Cons:
1.Not very ezily set up.

MervBot Pros:
1.Ez to configure and run everything.
2.Lots of plugins.

MervBot cons:
1.Does not run on linux.
2.It will only hold up to 9 or 10 plugins at a time. (why would you use more anyways?)
3.Java is so much funner

I've used MervBot for maybe 2 years. I just rescently disconvers twcore and i will NEVER-EVER go back to mervbot. Because now i can create my own bots and modules for them.

I spent a long time trying to find a free compiler that would compile mervbot despit the error messages that the src code has.

With java you just type javac botname.java.

Java = <3
C++ = Expensive and over-rated.

Java for Life!

Now i wanna see a subgame written in java, ive seen billers

Solo Ace · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:58 pm Post subject:

That "noobs can use it" is just bullshit, noobs shouldn't touch anything like this until they are less noobish.

How can C++ be hard to understand if Java is easy for you?
And seeing your other post, you don't understand much of Java either.

MERVBot does run on Linux, it's easier to do than getting the JRE for Linux.

Why is (what the hell do you base this number on?!) the plugin limitation of MERVBot listed under the -'s, if, as you say, you wouldn't use more.

Why is "Java is more fun than C++" a bad thing about Mervbot? Isn't it a bad thing of C++ then? Well, no, it isn't, you just suck at C++ which is why you like Java more.
And that's just your opinion, not a fact.

You can't seem to figure out how to make Java things work either, and you spent 2 years on looking for a compiler that would compile MERVBot?

There is a free compiler that will actually compile MERVBot without problems, you are just too stupid to work with it.

You just don't seem to know how things work, and you don't have a clue what you're doing.
Why are you dissing things then? C++ is too hard for you, so you choose Java, which makes you say C++ is "Expensive?!" (What is expensive?! The MS IDE!?) and "over-rated".
Java seems to be too hard for you too.

This is just another useless post of yours. Could you please register so I can ignore you?

BDwinsAlt · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:51 pm Post subject:

ROFL ur one of those MERV people.

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Solo Ace · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 12:40 am Post subject:

I'm not "one of those MERV people", I don't use anything.

I do see advantages of using Java next to those of C++. It's just that you are dissing MERVBot and C++ without knowing anything about this subject.
Java is fine, C++ is fine, both bot cores are fine, but you are an idiot.

You're giving disadvantages of MERV and C++, which are wrong, and also some advantages of TWCore and Java, which are also wrong.
You don't know enough about them, so please, get it right before even judging and stop acting like an idiot.