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Dr Brain · Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 2:21 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

How? MathML is not HTML.

And even MathML has the same basic positioning problem as HTML. A problem that PDF, PS and other typesetting formats exist to SOLELY solve.
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CypherJF · Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 2:40 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Exactly; MathML piggy backs on HTML to embed a plguin; it is not HTML itself.
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SuSE · Me measures good Joined: Dec 02 2002 Posts: 2307 Offline

Many browsers do have positioning problems, but HTML does not.

Even if you don't include stuff like MathML as HTML, there are these things called IMAGES. If you want you can even put the TeX equivalent of any equations displayed as images in the alt or title.

Mine GO BOOM · Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 3:28 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Solo Ace · Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 3:37 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Creamed?

Dr Brain · Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 3:44 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

CypherJF · Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 4:33 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Yeah this topic has gone way off course

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SuSE · Me measures good Joined: Dec 02 2002 Posts: 2307 Offline

Give me something to precisely position and I will.

Cyan~Fire · Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:03 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Can anybody say style="position: absolute"?
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Mine GO BOOM · Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:21 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Can anybody say IE doesn't always listen to HTML?

Dr Brain · Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:37 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Erm, cyan, that's not HTML. That's Cascading Style Sheets.

Akai, in HTML, you cannot easily position something one inch from the right edge of the printed page (and what size paper, might we ask?). But that doesn't matter, because HTML isn't supposed to specify that kind of stuff. That would only break the pages at different resolutions.

Yes, HTML can be twisted to do typesetting if you do 10-15 times as much work as it would take in a real typesetting format.

But, PDFs can perform as web pages too. You can have links inside them. But it would take a lot of work to make a web page in a PDF instead of taking the easy way and doing it in HTML.

An analogy, if I may: An electric screwdriver and a tablesaw. Yes, you *can* use a tablesaw to put screws into wood. Yes, you *can* use a screwdriver to cut wood. God help the fool that would, though.

SuSE · Me measures good Joined: Dec 02 2002 Posts: 2307 Offline

I say God help the fool that doesn't realize if you're at a website, the information may as well be in HTML (or HTML and CSS and MathML, etc for you psychos out there).

Any stuff that PDF can possibly handle more easily than a website will eventually be a nonissue. The W3 and co are dumb, but progress is inevitable.

Cyan~Fire · Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:28 am *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

lp_street_soldier · Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 7:04 am *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

http://www.stopie.com STOP IE!

Visit this website

Dr Brain · Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 7:07 am *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Alright. Go ahead, make a web page that will print exactly what I had in that PDF (including page number).

We can ignore the fact that all browsers will add their own little header and footer if you like, though that is an important fact to consider when making a web printable manual.

Gravitron · Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:24 am *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

OMFG! IT"S A FIFTY MB IMAGE FILE!!! AAAAAH RUN FOR THE HILLS!

In addition,
There ain't nothing HTML can't fix by the use of CSS, SSI, good old fashion frames and not to mention, a better XML or importing word/excel into the webpage.
WTFEver, you're all whiners who run winXP, down with you.
And speaking of which, you want porting? How about porting to a different media? I like having my output in hard copy.
Try printing those 50MBs of PDF manuals, then try printing the same number of pages from HTML.
'Nuff said.

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lp_street_soldier · Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:28 am *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Go home.

Dr Brain · Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:37 am *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

CypherJF · Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:53 am *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Shuddup all of ya. Let's get back to talking about PDF's and HTML

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50% Packetloss · Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:16 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

I got an error message telling me that I needed the fonts that you used, suse. GG.

SuSE · Me measures good Joined: Dec 02 2002 Posts: 2307 Offline

Did it display?

Dr Brain · Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 7:17 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Same error here. It displayed most of it, but not all.

SuSE · Me measures good Joined: Dec 02 2002 Posts: 2307 Offline

Huh, I'll have to pinpoint the problem. I have a lot of fonts, but I never personally installed any particular "math fonts".

You go to the mozilla font page?

One comp I tried it on gave the error, but still displayed it all.

Cyan~Fire · Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 4:37 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Comparing the two, they look the same (with error message but nothing done about it) except that you have '8' instead of 's', SuSE.