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if linux had allmost 90% of the client market like windows does. i can arguably say that you will see even more fatal flaws then anything weve seen in windows so far. just wait till its under the gun.

the statement that a word processor of any kind is more complex then a game that uses very complicated 3 dimensional algorithms is quite amuusing.

app compatibilty: for starters, any app that required the full functionality of directX. not some lame wrapper. just forget about it. or at least forget about it being easy.

i dont view over complication as a plus, maybe you people like the feeling that you have something that only dedicated ppl that want to re-invent the wheel will figure out. but thats just not reality. its like taking a big step back.

well maybe you "dont care about directX, MS bullshit" and you will just use openGL....well have fun playing quake3. and just forget about all the advance functions and particle effects that directX9 allows. get used to seeing subpar sprite effects.

thats enough for now, more dirt later

[Guest]

sorry too DP, i keep forget my login, had ta Re-format....LOL shutup.

so anyway..... i just wanted to add. i didnt say it was crap. i just asked why? and im still waiting to be convinced. ill rephrase my question.

Why, would anyone, that just wants to play all the latest games(without BS), brosse the web, make graphics, want anything other then a PC or Mac?

dont go all ape-ship nuts on me. heh

so far, the only thing ive seen that made my jaw drop is samba 3's server speeds.

[Dr Brain]

If you want to play the latest games, Linux ins't for you. Yet, that is.

If you don't really want to play games, or at least not new ones, then linux can be a really nice OS.

If SubSpace ran under linux, I would use it as my primary OS.
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[Cyan~Fire]

The word "algorithms" makes your claim really convincing.

The high-powered stuff Linux runs is quite a bit more high-powered than the "3d" video games you play. Sure, they don't require a $500 video card, but I count that as a bonus.
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[ZiGNoTZaG]

one of the number one credit card transaction companies in the world uses linux servers, but guess what just about every client is?

and guess what language almost all off the misc apps that they use internally are written in?

heh. food for thought.

algorithm: a procedure for solving a mathematical problem (as of finding the greatest common divisor) in a finite number of steps that frequently involves repetition of an operation.

in this case not only X, and Y, but Z as well. and not only for player postions and level object positions, but for sound positions and controler postions, interfacing an even larger subset of graphical and audio instructions based on the current hardware and drivers. such as directX and things like EAX enviotnmental audio. and not only is it doing all these things, its doing them in a constant loop. yes, games are at the pinnacle of pushing a pc to its limits.


as far as a reg user, nothing else they will do will use as much of thier PC as a game will.
does that help?

[emileej]

[-Smong-]

emileej, since you have a mac can you enlighten us as to what the game 'continuum' for mac actually is?

[i88gerbils]

Woot! Continuum for Mac. I loved that game!


uh, and now onto my thoughts about linux...


Linux as a server works reliably and dependably.
Linux as a workstation cluster works reliably and dependably.
Linux as a desktop still has some problems.

I use Slackware, not because it is the greatest distrobution, because to me it is the easiest to customize to my specific system. Although my curiousity with Gentoo has increased, but I am not rushing into it just yet. I don't like binary distributions of software mainly because they seem to fuck up more then my built versions.

Just this past week I spent hours trying to build FireFox .93 and Gtk-2.0 because the FireFox .9x binaries and installer failed to work without any reasonable explanation on bugzilla or mozillazine. But for most other distros it should work fine.

The Open Office suite is okay, and actually I have grown to like some of its features. FireFox, Java, gAIM or Kopete, X-Chat 2.0, GIMP, gFTP, X-CdRoast, mplayer and xine, all come together to make a fairly good linux desktop. GNUcash being the only program that does not measure up to its equivalent: Quickbooks, Quicken, or TurboTax. (this is a standard linux argument). The downsides are that some of these programs have odd quircks that take getting used to. And because they compete with corporate software they may be a bit slow to release new features.

Games? Are there really any good games being released? I think the last game I bought was NeverWinter Nights in 2002. And that's spotty as a good game at best. The only good game that I would like to run on linux would be SubSpace. That and YPP! makes me happy. Two other games I wish I could run? Civ3 (I have freeciv though) and BVE. I can emulate with ePSXe and ZSNES (or snes9x). After completely switching my desktop environment to linux since last September I feel fairly satisfied. There are still problems with ATI drivers and TV Tuner support, but I'm patient.


If you sat down with Grandma, Mom, or Co-Worker and set them up with a Gentoo or RedHat distribution, configured everything well, they could be happy for years. They can say good-bye to Windows security problems, e-mail and browser problems, and other stupid shit.
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[myke]

[Dr Brain]

You usually have to teach Grandma how to use windows anyway, so why not just teach Linux in the first place when you get the chance? If they've already learned windows, I find that Linspire (formerly Lindows) is a good distro to give them.

[Cyan~Fire]

[-Smong-]

Well my strategic :wiggleeyebrows: response is:

[SuSE]

[emileej]

[Cyan~Fire]

[emileej is lazy]

Not even gonna log in to respond to that. Gah no wait its so lame I wont fight you on that comment... Ah well - I'm off to bed

[ZiGNoTZaG]

[Guest]

photoshop

[Cyan~Fire]

GIMP?

[Mine GO BOOM]

[ZiGNoTZaG]

"Complexity isn't just what program has the most math in it. Complexity is how much depth is required to make a program work well at what it does. Games require a lot of power, because of the massive amount of computations they use, but if you were to start from scratch right now and make both Doom 3 and Office XP, you'd find that recreating Office XP is much more work and a lot more complex."

-now your comparing one program to a whole group of programs. which doesnt change the fact that that games simply require more of a pc. and lots of games even the most professional and stable cause lockups and strange behavior occasionaly. now is this because they are simple?

As for you not liking Linux, have you ever tried it? If you are afraid of messing up your computer, I suggest giving Virtual PC a try. Since you seem to be a type of person where reading and following a manual would seem to be too much work, I'd suggest trying out SuSE, Fedora, or better yet, Knoppix which you can run as also run as a live CD on your real system (won't mess up Windows at all).

-whateva ill try it, when i find it to suit my needs.

(which i know it doesnt, from reading all about it)

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[i88gerbils]

Yes, I have had to deal with VB software in the corporate environment. Fucking companies overcharging for their shitty programs. But hey, I wasn't paid for my opinion, just IT work.

[Dr Brain]

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