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| Ok well i have been working with linux (I have 2 computers so one has linux and one has windows) for a while, not mainly with continuum. So i was wondering i just got Ark Linux and i dont kno if i should install it or not. Does anyone have it or no if it is a good thing to download? Thanks. |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 11:17 am Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Are you saying you have worked with Linux for a while and now you want to install it?
What do you actually want to know? If it's "good"?
Decide for yourself if it's good, I use Gentoo and it's the only distro I like so far. |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:01 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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| Well what i mean is i have used linux befor but i just got some new type of linux called (Ark Linux) and i was wondering if anyone has it or has tryed it and thoguht it was good. |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:37 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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If you want an easy-to-use Linux distro for desktop use, then you may as well use Mandrake. It's based off the same distro Ark Linux is based off (RedHat) and is I hear VERY easy to setup and use. SuSE would be another easy one.
I'm with Solo, though. If you're not just going to be a Linux tourist, go for a source-based distro like Gentoo or at least a rad one like Debian. |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:43 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Isn't Mandrake dead?  |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:51 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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nah, Mandrake's doing well as a newb distro afaik
No harm in using SuSE, though, if you're afraid of losing support. |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 2:17 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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I tried SuSE, yeah I tried a few, this is a snippet from a conversation on T3G staffchat about my famous Distro switching:
| T3G Staffchat wrote: | 1:(Sysop 1)> look at me i'm solo ace i had to install 10 distros to get one to work
1:Solo Ace> they worked, but I didn't like them 
1:(Some SMod)> lol
1:(Sysop 1)> k
1:(Sysop 2)> poor solo he couldn't understand them so he loaded yet another distro 
1:(Sysop 2)> i still say slack>redhat
1:Solo Ace> wtf ***, I told you I didn't like redhat/mandrake YOU said SuSE 9 SUCKS
1:(Sysop 1)> Debian2win
1:(The SMod again)> mandrake |
I stick with Gentoo. |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 2:42 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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| i have used red hat its just a bit complicated for me lol. But i will try soem of those others. I have the ark linux cd but i migth go with the other ones if they are better |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 3:41 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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...nobody said use RedHat
I said use Mandrake or SuSE |
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| I kno lol i was just saying that i have used it befor. |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:25 am Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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I personally have experience, little though it maybe, in Gentoo, Arch Linux, and Slackware. I use Gentoo the most, because the shitty VIA C3 processor isn't i686, so I can't use Arch Linux on it. But after a while, the compile from sources abilities with USE flags and such grew on me, and I'm not sure I can easily leave it for a personal system. That, and I love tinkering in sources, and the fact that my system has the source in one nice folder for everything is kickass.
As I don't run any of the above as a main desktop system (hopefully will change within two weeks), I can't recommend any over the other. But I do have to say, that Gnome really looks nice. But then again, I'm a blackbox kind of guy. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 6:56 am Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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I think I'll try to use Gnome next week, KDE became pretty boring for me. 
Didn't SuSE become commercial only, like RedHat (I mean the real RedHat, not "based off" stuff like Fedora / Mandrake)? |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 9:15 am Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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| Solo Ace wrote: | I think I'll try to use Gnome next week, KDE became pretty boring for me.
Didn't SuSE become commercial only, like RedHat (I mean the real RedHat, not "based off" stuff like Fedora / Mandrake)? |
...no? |
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my question would be....aside from being "fun" to mess with. what presicely (besides servers) are any of them good for?
glorified shells with little support for major amounts of very common software. in which you must waste cpu cycles emulating standard functionality in windows based systems.
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| Anonymous wrote: | my question would be....aside from being "fun" to mess with. what presicely (besides servers) are any of them good for?
glorified shells with little support for major amounts of very common software. in which you must waste cpu cycles emulating standard functionality in windows based systems.
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Wow, it's clear you know jack shit about Linux.
I mean it's clear you haven't even spent FIVE MINUTES reading about Linux
You are the very definition of newb.
...and about software, let me educate you: free and open source is nearly caught up with commercial - it will EAT THE WORLD
name me any commercial windows software and I'll name you something free and open source that is better or has more potential |
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| A newb wrote: | | in which you must waste cpu cycles emulating standard functionality in windows based systems. |
What the hay are you talking about? I really wish I could use Linux, since it has so much more functionality built in and even more support for open-source.
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| Only reason I havn't converted my main computer over is because I enjoy playing a couple of games every so often, and sadly, my Geforce 2 + Winex plays like shit. Maybe in a couple of months, if the 9600pro drops in price, I'll be getting me a new video card. |
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in 18 months, number of bug fixes for 2 os released right arount he same time.
win xp 27
Red hat 7.2 158
20 times as much application software for windows. barely any games(the most complicated peices of software) will even run on linux, and the ones they claim do, often dont due to a miriad of issues.
installing said applications on windows is very consistant.
installing said apllication on linux varies greatly.
windows can act as both server and client. both to a acceptable degree.
linux falls flat on its face acting as a client.
so i think i just names about 10,000 peices of software that will run on windows and not on linux. nuff said. windows will run them all and do anything linux can do. |
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| SuSE wrote: | | name me any commercial windows software and I'll name you something free and open source that is better or has more potential |
Some stuff I can't find are games like CNC Generals and an HTTP mail client (which outlook express can do). |
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| Anonymous wrote: | windows can act as both server and client. both to a acceptable degree.
linux falls flat on its face acting as a client. |
you are a cow - linux is a better server because it's better; as a desktop as well |
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| Quote: | in 18 months, number of bug fixes for 2 os released right arount he same time.
win xp 27
Red hat 7.2 158 |
Also compare how many vunerbilies are currently unpatched in each different OS. And picking Redhat isn't 'linux', as its a certain group of people's choice for how users interact with linux. Each distro has their own choices of how things work and built-in supported software. Redhat, as being a very commerical one, patches almost all the software they interact with, thus inflating their patch count. If you want to compare 'bugs' between the two, please compare the kernels, as in Linux, everything else isn't truly the OS, but rather 3rd party software.
Also, compare the severity of each bug. In Windows, at least 3 I can count real quick were huge worm-infested bugs in which the boxes were completely rooted, and en-mass.
| Quote: | | 20 times as much application software for windows. barely any games(the most complicated peices of software) will even run on linux, and the ones they claim do, often dont due to a miriad of issues. |
Games are usually not as complicated as other peices of software. Office easily is much more difficult and more complicated than Doom 3. Please try to be a bit more specific as to what you count as application software, because if you are counting every crappy VB application, then yes, Windows easily blows linux out of the water in number of applications. Number of good ones, thats iffy.
A quick count of how many easily supported software applications that the Gentoo community deems worthy enough to include into portage: 7,503.
| Quote: | | installing said applications on windows is very consistant. |
There are many, many different installation methods for Windows. Some you just unzip, some require you to go through many NEXT, NEXT screens, some let you choose where they can go, some force extra crap onto your computer, others require extra dlls JUST for the installation procedure that don't even come with it. With most distros for Linux, installation is as simple as emerge/apt-get/pacman NAME.
| Quote: | | installing said apllication on linux varies greatly. |
If you are thinking of the configure/make/make install, thats a very universal method of installing almost every application on Linux. Or you could go with the supported installation method for your distro, which is usually as easy as typing the command with the name at the end, or selecting from a list of programs in the GUI versions/
| Quote: | | windows can act as both server and client. both to a acceptable degree. |
Depends on the server. Like hell anyone will run Windows as a file server, a database server, or a firewall. Email server is about all they have going for it. And don't BS with webserver, because Apache running under Linux has Apache for Windows or IIS blown out of the water.
| Quote: | | linux falls flat on its face acting as a client. |
Actually, as a client, it works great. Have you ever tried it yet? I love the abilities it has, such as the workspaces, being able to run remote X applications that are displayed on your screen, built-in shading for all programs. The list just goes on. If you try to suggest that as a simple word processor/internet browser/email client, then you are horribly wrong. Give two new people computers, one with Windows with Office/IE/OE, and another with Linux with KDE/Konqueror/OpenOffice/KMail, and I've found that the Linux users have a LOT less problems. They cannot accidently break things, and in the off chance that they do, I can almost always fix it remotely as easily as I could if I was standing there.
| Quote: | | so i think i just names about 10,000 peices of software that will run on windows and not on linux. nuff said. windows will run them all and do anything linux can do. |
Havn't stated one specific one yet. Here, I'll help you along on your path: The table of equivalents / replacements / analogs of Windows software in Linux. (Official site of the table) |
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How about just using the operating system that you like the best? I mean, you're not going to convince anyone that "M$ sucks" or "Linux blows", and other people using a different OS is not going to change anything, unless you believe in some crazy Microsoft conspiracy and that by buying Microsoft products people are funding said conspiracy.
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| It is possible to convince someone to like Linux. The hard part is convincing them to try it. |
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| Do not get mandrake, I have tried it and you do not want it. If this was a help for linux forum, all the responses would be: delete mandrake and install an other distro. |
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| mandrake actually isn't all that bad if you've never used linux before...an easy install, a lot of preinstalled/configured hardware drivers, etc.. it worked fine when i ran it the first time i used linux never had any problems with it |
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