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Cerium · Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:23 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Nah, Im not very fond of languages that use whitespace as part of the syntax.

Seriously thought, I do think ASSS modules are useful and can be very powerful. But I also know that abuse and stupid errors are going to be the downfall of many a zone. Things like alias tracking/ban bots and other administrative type things belong on the server end. However, game-bots like elim/ctf/etc do not. There is no reason to put the server at risk for a non-critical bot or plugin which can be done client side.
I look at it this way: If a bot crashes, the game goes offline but the population is around to fend for itself. If a module crashes or restarts the server, your entire population is forced to regroup in other zones and try to figure out what happened.
We all know that none of us intend to write slow/shitty modules or bugs, but its going to happen. The question is what impact its going to have on the server.

Btw, if someone (grel) wants to outline exactly how ASSS handles various problems with modules, that may would help clear up any worries I have with them. Off the top of my head: exceptions in general, deadlock, and overhead caused by modules.
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Muskrat · Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:01 am *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Ah, don't like whitespace.... so you have come up with an excuse for that...

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First of all, I didn't say I quit, I said I terminate Gravitron.
Second, given both you and cerium's immaturity, I assure you, the feelings are mutual.
Third, Cerium, I actually was refering to your comments in general, but since you bring it up, your way of complement include hashed insults, so I find your claims to be dubious.

Also, drop the name calling, it's ridiculous.

CypherJF · Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:17 am *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

yawn; ignore_topic++;
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Dr Brain · Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:08 am *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

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Im not worried about the capibilities, Im worried more about effecting the server.

Would lots of modules in a single arena slow down the server or atleast that arena? Does the entire server die if your module has a null pointer error? What about an endless loop? Things like that would make me steer clear of server side modules for simple bots that can work client-side. No need to put the server at risk for a duel or elimbot.

Though, like you said: I have very little experience with ASSS. For all I know all of my concerns could have already been addressed.

Dr Brain · Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:42 am *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Cerium · Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:33 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Bah. Sorry bout the anon post. Class was extremely boring today.

Anyway, it doesnt matter how good any of us are, were bound to fuck up once in a while -- and since I refuse to use python, Ill probably crash any server I work on a few times.
Ill have to give it a shot once I get some free time. If it runs as well as everyone says it does, umm... I dont know where I was going with that. Whatever.

Muskrat · Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:44 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Stoner.

Cyan~Fire · Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:28 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

I'll admit the whitespace is kinda annoying, but it's just so much easier to throw together a quick module in Python than to make a C "project" (because that's what it turns out to be).

Bak · Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:03 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

if you don't trust your coding abilities, write the module in c++ and use exception handling. Infinate loops will still be a problem, but if you're running the bot on the same machine as the server, an infinate loop in a bot will also be a large problem, as it will take up lots of processing power.