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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 3:53 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

well it requires knowledge Bak, knowledge i just dont have! tongue.gif

Im saying- Create a new subgame that can be more customizable, such as the first post. ASSS is very different from subgame, which is why i wont use it. If there was a better subgame, one more customizable without knowledge of any kind of language. Then, you can release the source code to users who wish to use it.

In order to create modules, you need knowledge of C or w/e it is. I've never used ASSS so...i cant tell you. ASSS doesnt appeal to me as much as subgame does. Infact, i couldnt even get ASSS to work =/

Im sure lots of people would use the subgame 2 icon_smile.gif
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 6:04 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

ASSS can do everything subgame can do. I bet I can find plenty of things in subgame that you don't understand, but that doesn't mean that you lack the ability to use the program. Give ASSS a shot, you'll be able to figure it out.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 11:14 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Subgame is not open source, and thus cannot be changed by us. Beg all you want, but no one can do anything about it.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 4:39 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I said create, not edit tongue.gif

Anyways...like i said..i couldnt even get asss to startup, and thats a big reason people dont use it.

Btw, is there an ASSS website?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 5:32 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

ROFL. He can't get ASSS to start and he doesn't even know where to download it.

www.sscx.net/asss/

You should probably have python installed too
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 6:45 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Creating a new subgame is just ridiculous when we already have asss. You don't need to write modules in order to run a server. ASSS is even easier to use than subgame, all the setup requires is extracting it and a single double-click on asss.bat
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 9:02 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Well I'll say this. I'm thankful Dr. Brain was around helping me figure out ASSS. The documentation for it isn't the greatest, as much as I hate to say it. For example, at the time I was working w/ it, it was a pain to get a player to have powers. Specifically, letting me to have sysop powers. If I had a heck of a time, I'm sure many many others would have to.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 10:25 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I downloaded it from ssdl =/

Anyways, im gonna give it a second try. Bots run on ASSS right? icon_smile.gif

Subgame is just a better platform in my opinion, and many others im sure. All im saying is a second subgame thats a little more customizable would be sweet. And im urging someone to make one tongue.gif
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 10:50 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

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Subgame is just a better platform in my opinion


Why is that your opinion?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 11:04 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Easier to use and setup...reliable on windows (although i hate the fact that it uses a lot of cpu). Perhaps an altered ASSS version would be nice for non-expirenced people. Then, if they wish..they can go up to ASSS.

Make ASSS a little more noob friendly, make it simular to subgame, yet better...
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 11:04 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

ASSS is the next subgame.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:31 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Sure, if SS wants to die... ASSS needs to be simplified...its hard to work with, even for me (although thats not saying much =/ lol)
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:33 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Just read the userguide. It gave me a clear idea of ASSS.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:34 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I just read it and I couldn't even understand that :-\
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:59 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

The userguide is not only confusing, but long =/
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 2:09 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

subgame is easier to set up? ASSS requires no setup, just double click the .bat file and your zone is running.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 2:29 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

sure, if you want default settings and map =/

Edit- same with subgame...
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 3:00 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

but with subgame you also have to do additional things, like a run a billing server and modify ini files.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 3:16 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

same with asss
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 3:56 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Hopefully ASSS gets rid of newb zones, that way when I download the directory server list, I'm not spammed with CTF in the title of every zone.
Bots run on ASSS but there are quirks which haven't been addressed, so its better to use modules, they are more reliable anyway.
ASSS works fine on windows, I haven't had a problem.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:22 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

IF asss was around when subspace was first introduced, many of the currect zones would not exist =/, ever think of that? Im not just talkin about Halo, im talkin DSB...EG...eh, i guess they could have...but i donno, so im going to stop blabling.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 8:37 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

"Oh, no you didn't girlfriend."

There was a different kind of breed of developer back then. If ASSS had been the original server software we would probably have saved a lot of the population before Twister hit. But who cares. You're just a newb who doesn't know anything.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 9:03 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

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IF asss was around when subspace was first introduced, many of the currect zones would not exist =/, ever think of that? Im not just talkin about Halo, im talkin DSB...EG...eh, i guess they could have...but i donno, so im going to stop blabling.


Yes. There would be several more much much better zones.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:04 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

bak wrote:
but with subgame you also have to do additional things, like a run a billing server and modify ini files.

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same with asss

WRONG! ASSS runs right out of the box without any modifications or other programs
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:22 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

You basically have to ask yourself the following questions:

What is Python?

If you don't know, then remove the python modules from modules.conf

What is MySQL?

If you don't know or don't have it, then remove the mysql module from modules.conf.

Hey, newbie faq! :d


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