Server Help

9-Volt · Newbie Joined: May 25 2005 Posts: 6 Offline

I own the spawn/subzone RZJPL in chaos zone. When I make changes through esc c or ?set it forces a reboot and disconnects everyone from the subzone. When I have a smod make changes they take automatically via esc c or ?set and the subzone doesnt disconnect. I am the owner in the esc c info and my changes to take affect after it boots everyone out. Is there something in the settings that would cause this for my subzone?

Thanks,

9-Volt

Maverick · Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 3:27 am Post subject:

You mean a subarena

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Maverick · Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 6:10 am Post subject:

Those other people must be sysop then.

Check ?get Owner:Userid with ?userid - it should match.
This means that you are the owner of the arena. As long as you aren't sysop you will get disconnected after each change due to recycle.

If you are still unsure, ask those people who doesn't get kicked.

Cyan~Fire · Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 3:40 pm Post subject:

This is a feature. Get over it.

Since you're not a sysop, you can't *recycle, so it does it automatically for you.
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Purge · Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 4:15 pm Post subject:

Rather, ?recycle.

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Cyan~Fire · Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 5:54 pm Post subject:

I understand your problem, it was made as a feature, so either get your bot sysop access or get over it.

Purge · Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 6:05 pm Post subject:

Cerium · Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 6:09 pm Post subject:

Is there a way to shut that nonsense off? Seems rather retarded to force a recycle when its not necessary.

For changing maps I can see it, but why the hell would a settings change require a recycle?

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Purge · Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 6:27 pm Post subject:

Cerium · Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 9:03 pm Post subject:

Wow. The dumbass who thought of that "feature" needs to be stabbed in the face over and over again.

Bak · Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 2:29 am Post subject:

Perhaps he didn't want players having different settings. One of the main problems with the football bot in HZ is that the qb may want to make the ball phase so it can go "over" players. A laggy player may not receive the settings packet in time and intercept the pass even though it was phased, making players curse the bot and botmaker.

Now I'm sure that's not the example they were thinking of when they designed it, but it's not a terrible idea.
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Maverick · Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 3:45 am Post subject:

agreed with Bak - they did it with a reason.

9-Volt: Get your bot or yourself sysop

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Bak · Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 2:07 pm Post subject:

make your own server for tweaking with settings (where you can have sysop), then when you're finished just upload the .cfg file to the real server.

Cerium · Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 2:16 pm Post subject:

Well the problem is 9v's settings are supposed to be dynamic. The recycle idea breaks this. And yes, until his bot gets hosted, it wont have sysop, so the forced recycle is a real pain in the ass.

And Bak, I appreciate the response, but Ive already attempted to think of any reason why a recycle would be manditory. Before a regular player can change settings, they need be set as the owner of the arena (as im sure you already know), so its already clear that a sysop or previous owner trusts them. And the 5-10 seconds it takes for all the players to get the settings happens (usually) only once in a while, so the example you gave should be isolated enough where it can either be handled by the bot or safely ignored.

Regardless, when they added the feature, how is it possible that it didnt cross their minds that it would eventually cause a problem? Why not use one of the open bytes in the settings packet to add a 'auto recycle' setting, or even make it a setting in server.ini. All this has done is complicated things more than it needed to be. Suddenly a bot which worked fine with mod (in theory, anyway), needs sysop to work properly. Does anyone else notice the huge problem that causes with security? Jesus tap dancing christ this 'feature' pisses me off.

Mine GO BOOM · Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 2:46 pm Post subject:

Cyan~Fire · Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 4:59 pm Post subject:

Cerium · Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 3:29 am Post subject:

Well, the only 'errors' I can think of are handled by the servers security checks. I dunno, I guess it makes sense in that context... but why hasnt anyone thought to remove it over the years? Theres no way were the first people to run into this problem...

I guess im just suprised/pissed that something like this effectively hinders our movement to allow people who arent part of the staff core to write bots/run events... atleast everyone switches over to ASSS...

Thanks for the info, everyone.