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[Cyan~Fire]

Oh, ok, you sound reasonable, too. I was just having some fun with DC+, I mean, I complimented him, right?
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[D1st0rt]

IMO, staff should be trained before they are given any real power. Watching them closely as they gain experience staffing helps to ensure quality staffing. It's also important to communicate with all of the staff and make sure everyone is on the same page
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[Confess]

One of my most famous quotes would probably be "If you do not like the zone, and you are not willing to improve it when you can, do NOT post anything bad about it" well, i guess i have been a little bit of a hypocrite.

I am going to try and talk to Agurus about possibly giving me staff cord for a while, so i can better the staff members and hopefully crack down on the violators. I will see if he is willing to give me all banning powers, with no bans made by other people. If he is willing, we can hopefully get rid of these horrid 10yrold kids.

You guys sit there and complain, but why not try and better halo? If you dont like the staff, and the way they act, get it to stop, dont just talk about it. If Agurus doesnt want help, nor will he let you help, than you are given the right to speak, but untill you have actually tried and helped, dont say anything.

Its going to take time before the staff is made better. It will not hapen overnight. Please, remember these words, "If you are not willing to improve a zone, when you think it sucks, do NOT say or post anything bad about it, till you have actually tried to help improve it"

I am not expecting anything out of this, nothing gained from me. It will not help raise my zones population, or anything, yet i am trying to improve other zones, even when i have my own. See, if we want Subspace to remain "In Business" we all have to work together, we cant have it as a competition. When people ask to use some of my things, generally i will let them, this is because i want to better Subspace. Sure, if someone is using it without permission, im going to kick them in the ass. Cant we all just get along?

[Muskrat]

I'm trying my best to improve Halo, as far as the actual zone we are doing great and very close to releasing a whole slew of new stuff. Our main problem may be the people, both some of the staff and players. Our mods need training and discipline and, for reasons I can't quite explain, probably the majority or our players are complete idiots. This is probably true in many other zones as well, I jsut wish they would read the rules before playing. *sigh*

[Purge]

You should hire mods who are experienced and need no training.

[Muskrat]

Easier said than done, not many player's in halo are up to it. Those who can do the job aren't nearly as active as we need them to be.

[Confess]

Against all attempts to fix these problems, Agurus has refused to give me staff coord. He has refused that anything is wrong with teh staff, and has refused that anything will happen. Therefore, by him doing this, he has said that he does not want the problems to be fixed.

The bot plugin has gone down, and none of you seem to know how to fix it. How simple is it to go into the folder, find the dll name, type !load ____.dll, this is just one of the many reasons you need better staff. You, especially, should know what to do Agurus.

After i spoke with you, a mod then zipped a person for having anti on, understandable, but wouldnt it make more sence to do *prize -20? You staff....they need bettering....
My offer stands till Monday at 5:00pm central. If you cannot reach me, you may email me at confess321@yahoo.com.

[Muskrat]

Well its not easy to waltz into a zone and ask to be staff coord and expect a welcome party because your name is confess. Confess+, Dark Clouds+ you both can do the job, its not the staff coord that needs replacing.

What exactly you can do to magically cure our staff problem I dont know, the obvious step of firing the inactive and incompetent staff is easy. What then? conjure up some people who have never played halo(cuz i know halo's players can't do it) to moderate the zone 24/7 perfectly?

As for plugins, please, dont tell me how to load a plugin, our antiwarp checker stopped working rather randomly yesterday. I'll get around to fixing that later.

btw mods cant *prize


On a completely unrelated matter lots of people who used to hang around dissing halo are pming me quite often, and it grows as the zone's population grows, I think some peoples sweet teeth are finally noticing this pie which is looking tastier every day.

Sorry if I look like im ranting, just putting forth a point I think you should take into consideration.

[Purge]

Just let Halo do whatever they feel like it. Or better yet, what Agurus wants.

[Muskrat]

Our population is growing every day and we have loads of new graphics and stuff already worked up, I guess I shouldnt cry my eyes out too hard.


and btw I jsut noticed: http://forums.minegoboom.com/viewtopic.php?t=4153

seems to be the .dll problem we have so dont call me a retard for that confess, cuz yeah I set up all the bot stuff for halo.

[Confess]

I know mods cannot prize... thats why i went in and said ?help Smods, do not silence, use *prize #-20 blah blah blah. The staff coord would not have been fired. And no, i would not have just expelled the inactive staff members. I plan on firing the abusive staff, through proof. I would have only been staff coord for as long as it took, so temporary. Mabey around a month or so.

[D1st0rt]

Uh, you're coming off as pretty arrogant to me Confess, maybe if you took a less... say invasive approach? Even if they are doing something that isn't perfect, you should NEVER lecture the staff of another zone, its just plain rude.

Then you expect them to just welcome you with open arms because you are telling them how much they all suck? That, because as soon as you show up all of their problems will magically disappear? While you might have good intentions, you are definately going about it the wrong way. I mean, giving a deadline?! Who do you think you are, seriously? I can understand their feelings, I wouldn't want some condescending prick telling me what to do.

On a final note, its perfectly fine to kick people who are doing something they know they shouldn't. It's their own fault for breaking the rules, no antiwarp in center is nothing extreme, its a very common rule across many zones.

[Confess]

I came on a little bit strong, yes i know.
Agurus said that "You will have to close youe zone" and i am not willing to do that, i am simply trying to tell him that he has work that needs to be done in the zone. Agurus does not want this problem fixed. If he did, he would have accepted the offer as it was, and not tooken it as an oppertunity to take my zone down. i came in as a friend, to help his zone. And he uses it against me? I simply am giving him a deadline to fix the problem. My offer stands as it is, untill Monday 5pm central, thats final. Dont like it? Why dont you deal with it, instead of just talking. Im acting, you guys talk. I have the right to give a deadline till my offer expires, do i not? Is it not a free country? I said in my post " am not expecting anything out of this, nothing gained from me. It will not help raise my zones population, or anything, yet i am trying to improve other zones, even when i have my own. See, if we want Subspace to remain "In Business" we all have to work together, we cant have it as a competition. When people ask to use some of my things, generally i will let them, this is because i want to better Subspace. Sure, if someone is using it without permission, im going to kick them in the ass. Cant we all just get along?" and yet that is exactly what he didnt do, he took it as a way of eliminating the competition. As i said, i simply am giving him a deadline to fix what he did. I am willing to staff in halo ONLY when hired between now, and monday at 5pmcentral.

[Muskrat]

ok, backspacing the flame....

Confess, I see that wish to help(I guess) but I dont exactly see what you have to offer that will turn Halo around. I as a sysop admit yes we have a problem with mods who have no clue what they are doing. What's an easy solution? Fire them. Easy. Right? well of course, but what then. We have a great zone with lots of population, lots of cool stuff, and lots of cheaters, exploiters and what-have-you.
If you propose a solution which involves actually hiring good mods who know what they are doing, please do. That is the help we need. I dont need someone to tell me which mods need to be fired. They make that obvious enough themselves.
I also really cant tell if you are jsut using this to make yourself seem better than Halo or if you truly want to help. Posting a "Strong" message which even mocked me in particular(you may not have known it but yeah me) is not the way to help. As you have your Maxim I will tell you this that I have told others asking for any level of staff.

If you want staff show me that you can do it. Actions speak louder than words.

A good application of this would be to line up a couple of good mods and supply us(me, DC+ or Ag) with list of abusive mods and proof. Then I would defenitely endorse your ideas(and yes Agurus respects and listens to what I have to say on matters).

j/k about the flame thing, but it would have been easy

[Agurus]

Alright, what irritates me Confes is that you blab on how bad my staff is, plus I don’t hire any staff that are staffing in other zones, which is some thing Halo hates, mainly becuases people don’t know how to manage their time. Also you asked for a temporarily sysop, staff coord, we don’t plan to hire you for 3 days, you screw us over by jacking our files up. Hey you’re a great guy, but what you want wont easily happen. YOu also say that my staff abuses, lots of people say that but they give no proof? IT isnt a very forcefull argument, saying my staff abuses when you have no proof to give now is it? true that the mods act stupid some time, like Hempz who was just fired, for comign in "drunk" on SS and jacking around, or like not knowing what to do, but we can't help there the best we can get who are active, you must know realiase age span of halo are a bunch of little kiddie newbs who dont know who just learned to cuss. As for you saying about that plugin, we were hacing alota shit with that and were tirng to get it fixed wondering if sum1 else had same problem, and we dont BAN people with anti in safe, just live with it in teh mean time. Halos gotten here with out much help and i know we can get farther, im not trying to flame just want to make peace and fix halo's past....

[Cyan~Fire]

Can we just let this thread die and not have some third-class philosophical discussion?

[Ag]

true lol, these post are getting larger and larger, but hey its nice to hear others opnions

[Confess]

Look, i was there Ag, i saw it with my own eyes. SacTu silenced a person for using anti in center, it was understandable. As i was saying, it would have made more sence for a smod to just do *prize #-20.

Now, as for my plan.

I was planning on implimenting a bot plugin that i have had for Ghost Recon. The plugin checks to see how long the person has been on, you can also add people to a list. This helps you find out who has been in the zone a lot, and who would know what to do. This would eliminate some of the newbs that come into the zone asking for staff, because they are trying to become a mod in a zone so they can expirence it. Understandable if they did it, we all have done it. I know i have. I went into Maximum Limits without know anything at all, i just came in and said "Can i be staff"? like most people do/did. Agurus, im sure you have, im sure anyone who is a staff member/ was a staff member has done it, even Priitk.

Second, i would process the star(*) warning system that i have used in Ghost Recon.

Now, as for firing the abusers, i would simply have the person that was banned unrightfully login to a netmeeting server, share the desktop, let them login to the zone, and if someone bans them with no reason <like the guy who started this topic was> then the person would recieve a warning. The reason i would give a warning is because we all are human, we all make mistakes, so we all deserve a second chance. If the person does it again, i would ban/remove from staff.

I still have a copy of things im still working on.
Now, as for the sysop, Agurus, you of all people should know me better. If you think that i would reuin my well deserved rep just to ruin a zone like yours....i do not want to help your zone. Why in the world would i do such a thing, huh? Im not that type of person.

Back to the staff....
I would use the application plugin, eliminating some more of the newbie staff members hired... I'd have daily drills to train the staff. I'd login occassionaly under alias, and ask a question. If the staff members are smart, they will help me.

I would login under alias, cuss out people, do a whole bunch of things to get me banned, and see what they do, and how they react.

I'd put everyone on a staff channel, and when someone needs help, a staff member will say "I got this one" etc.

I'd have a couple of intense training courses too, training all of the staff members who need to be trained. Again, increasing there knowledge of what to do.

My offer stands until Monday. Thats final. Take it or leave it.

[Ag]

thanks but no thanks, i apreciate your offer, but i am not replacing my staff or using a teqnuie from another zone, nor i don't plan to use any other applic system, i think Halo is fine how it handels the staff and dont ASSUME that its abuse becuse some one zipped or silence someone else, you DONT know what else happned, i really dont think this topic is getting ne where now, and in conclusion i leave your request.

[MS-DOS]

Never heard so much rubbish for this zone. Confess just leave Agurus alone and run your own server and zone.
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[Cyan~Fire]

Well, I never thought I'd say this, but I agree with MS-DOS.

[myke]

i really never had a problem with halo besides the staff that they used to have like lord flash cause he abused powers along with some others, other than that halo wasn't too bad after i got used to the settings

[Dark Clouds+]

Lord Flash is gone and has been gone for quite some time. All these accusations of halo having a bad staff are all in the past. We assure you none of our current staff abuses their power to their advantage. The ones who had in the past are all axed, so there's nothing to worry about.

Please have this topic CLOSED.
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[Cyan~Fire]

I think he already realizes this, you can stop saying it now.

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