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Mine GO BOOM - Mon Jan 10, 2005 1:28 pm
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I setup a quick Wiki located at wiki.minegoboom.com. Its using MediaWiki right now.

Create your accounts if you want to help out. Right now, its running in whatever format they come in after installation. Those that would like to assist in administering the site, post about it here. Don't contact me privately, as this will be a group effort for the good of ASSS's documentation.

Feel free to create new pages, even if its only a page explaining about how something could go there. If you've made some ASSS modules, create a page explaining about your module, and links to it. Just some ideas in how people can expand and fill this sucker up.

For now, file uploading is disabled. Thats what the forums are for.

I'm also looking into having the same account/password for both the forums and the Wiki. Like I said, this is only a beta.

Dr Brain - Mon Jan 10, 2005 2:48 pm
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I'd like to assist in administering the site.

I've added some new pages. Filling them in now.

Solo Ace - Mon Jan 10, 2005 3:01 pm
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Hm, just now when I finished my "site" you're putting up a wiki eh?

I'd like to help, guess I could just paste my ASSS C module guide there and let people edit/improve it.

Dr Brain - Mon Jan 10, 2005 3:06 pm
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Really, module source should go on the forum.

However, writing a mini-howto for your module would be a perfect use for the wiki.

ExplodyThingy - Mon Jan 10, 2005 3:58 pm
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Blarg, multiple threads! Post this in that FAQ thread because I posted there about Cypher's bug reporter before I read this.

Bak - Mon Jan 10, 2005 3:59 pm
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That create account link is TINY! I could barely find it. It's in the upper right, fyi.

Solo Ace - Mon Jan 10, 2005 4:14 pm
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It doesn't show how to make one specific module, just how to get started.

Smong - Mon Jan 10, 2005 6:46 pm
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I'd like to help too.

I hope the front page gets sorted, the only way to navigate the site is via recent changes or blind guesses in the search.

Edit: Aargh, I can imagine spending hours on this wiki, it's depleting my bash.org reading time

ExplodyThingy - Mon Jan 10, 2005 6:47 pm
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Id like to help too!

Mine GO BOOM - Mon Jan 10, 2005 8:14 pm
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Smong wrote:

I hope the front page gets sorted, the only way to navigate the site is via recent changes or blind guesses in the search.

Well, the only way that will happen is first we have to see what type of information we have. Thats why its beta.

You could always view All Pages to see whats up right now. For now, someone added the links in the Community Portal page.

As for the site's layout, if someone wants to work with that, feel free. If you want, I can setup a FTP account so you can make your own themes if you want to play around with it.

For now, I've added a few Admins based upon how well they've already written things.

Pests - Mon Jan 10, 2005 9:34 pm
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I'm currently trying to format the pages a little better and provide some sort of organization.

Smong - Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:00 pm
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Now I hope there is a skin, the horizontal lines sort of break up the flow when reading...well uh, yeah.

Anyway I just added a page, then clicked the 'what links here button' and I'm like wow intelligent wiki it's added it to the tools section, then I look further and you Pests added it $$.

Pests - Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:02 pm
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Yeah, I was bored and decided to see if anyone else was working on a page I could.. help out.

Grelminar - Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:34 pm
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This wiki looks awesome. Thanks everyone for adding all that info so quickly.

When I have some time, I'll try and go through and fix up any mistakes that I see, and put up some of my own documentation and sample code there.

Dr Brain - Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:10 pm
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Is it just me, or is the date/time wrong on the wiki?

Also, I think we should stick with the coding style that's in the ASSS source, rather than introduce all of our own preferred styles.

Smong - Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:13 pm
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I think it may be off by a couple of minutes, otherwise it is perfect for me. Have you changed you time zone in preferences?

Pests - Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:07 am
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I've done alot of organization and reformatting of the articles since I saw the new wiki yesterday. If you have any complaints on how its set up or think it should be a different way then state how you think it should be layed out. Right now I feel its better then what we had.

CypherJF - Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:23 am
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Yeah, I think it's looking better slowly by slowly..

Mine GO BOOM - Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:38 am
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Smong wrote:

I think it may be off by a couple of minutes, otherwise it is perfect for me. Have you changed you time zone in preferences?

Its setup by default to be at GMT+0. I didn't go around to change that at all, though I probably should. Since I'm in EST, thats usually what everything else on mgb/shanky.com is setup as, and I might change the Wiki to be that by default also.

Dr Brain - Tue Jan 11, 2005 9:02 am
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Yah. That's what I noticed. Added to the fact that a date display didn't work exactly like I expected, I thought the day might be one day forward too.

Smong - Tue Jan 11, 2005 9:48 am
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One thing I have noticed is this is becoming like a true wiki, there are loads of pages with only one or two interesting bits on them. The pages also load slower than other websites (ok so it's loading stuff, formatting it, resolving links etc) so I think a single faq page should be made with every question there is under subheadings. Also some questions could easily fit in more than one faq section (server configuring, module configuring, not much difference).

CypherJF - Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:13 am
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i'm on a modem connection, and it doesn't seem to load any slower than any other page... but I guess the major problem i'd forsee is different formatting of pages, or getting lost somewhere...

Smong - Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:18 am
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On this page http://wiki.minegoboom.com/index.php?title=Special:Categories it would be nice to see how many pages each category has. It may help people decide which category to look at first in search of an answer if they see more pages in one category than another.

Pests - Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:30 am
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I've tried to maintain the same format across pages.

CypherJF - Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:57 am
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Can we upload files onto the wiki, ie: screenshots? also, maybe i wrote this down wrong. When I refered to ChatNet that's really smong's name for the protocol; but grel calls it the simple-chat. How do we want to establish the difference between the two.

simple-chat is the limited protocol that grel designs and implements, chatnet is the overall protocol that can be built upon zone-by-zone basis. (not like there are any of these that i know of.. but.)

challenge / responce / comments? -- feel free to modify the wiki appropriately.

Smong - Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:30 pm
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The file describing the chatnet protocol is called simple-chat.txt. Might as well argue over the tcp billing protocol being named 'new-biller-prot' at this rate.

Cyan~Fire - Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:39 pm
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Smong wrote:

Now I hope there is a skin, the horizontal lines sort of break up the flow when reading...well uh, yeah.

I personally like them if they're not overused. It allows the eye to quickly find what it's looking for.

Dr Brain wrote:

Is it just me, or is the date/time wrong on the wiki?

You can change your timezone in preferences.

Smong wrote:

so I think a single faq page should be made with every question there is under subheadings

It seems to me like the Sections page is a redundant and less-featured version of the catagories system. Since Sections will also get way too hard to manage after more articles are created, I'd seriously recommend changing the main page to tell users to use the catagories instead.

Cyph wrote:

Can we upload files onto the wiki, ie: screenshots?

And I do think image uploading would be a good idea. I'm assuming MediaWiki has an option to only allow images?

Cyph wrote:

When I refered to ChatNet that's really smong's name for the protocol; but grel calls it the simple-chat. How do we want to establish the difference between the two.

Redirects.

CypherJF - Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:57 pm
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I saw the redirect you setup; but was wondering if one wanted to be technical enough to note it or not.. personally it doesnt matter to me

Pests - Tue Jan 11, 2005 3:52 pm
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Why redirect? Fix it properly by renaming the pages and fixing links before it gets used too many times.

Any way I could get admin? I've done alot and getting slowed down by not able to do certain things. =/

Uploading has been disabled, normally could be found http://wiki.minegoboom.com/index.php/Special:Upload. To get a list of all images in the wiki you would view http://wiki.minegoboom.com/index.php/Special:Imagelist.

Dr Brain - Tue Jan 11, 2005 3:55 pm
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Added pests as a sysop.

Pests - Tue Jan 11, 2005 3:58 pm
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Thanks.

Dr Brain - Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:05 pm
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Oh, on a minor note: Is it possible to disable guest edits? I don't ask this because I dislike guests editing, but rather because I don't notice for a few edits that I'm not logged in.

Pests - Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:12 pm
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Think we should remove Protocol from the start of the Protocol pages? Whem using the categories page all of them will be listed under P.

ExplodyThingy - Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:31 pm
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Golly, you people are on a friggin role! Youve posted most of the topics I can handle. Anyway, articles probably should not be written in the first person (looks at dr. brains self-titled entry)

And I wanna help run it too.....

Also Im sure we still want Cypher's bug-tracker system, as a wiki isnt really geared for that.

Mine GO BOOM - Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:14 pm
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For speed: I enabled caching for non-logged in users. So anyone normally browsing the site will see cached pages, which should help with speed a lot. Logged in users don't get the cached pages, because they have their own little logged in part and other features. NOTE: For the cache to work correctly, if something is updated, the cache maybe a full hour behind on changes for non-logged in users. Sadly, doing edits for some reason doesn't invalidate cached pages.

For the ChatNet protocol: we'll wait until Grelminar speaks. I'd probably guess he'll call it ChatNet.

For default time zone: I've set the Wiki to be EST by default now.

The people I made admins are ones I know have created their own modules or wrote ASSS. If they want to upgrade more people that they feel will help administer the site, they have the 'bureaucrat' flag set, which means they can make more sysops.

Sysops on the Wiki can edit protected pages (like the front page) and do other features I don't really know about yet, because I'm either always logged in as a Sysop/Bureaucrat or viewing as a guest. I'd guess they can safely back-track edits, but then again I don't know if thats not a normal user feature.

I haven't found a way to safely add/change the links in the Navigation field, so things will have to stay like that for now.

I notice some people have been adding tags to the actual displayed site. Yeah, don't do that. If you want credit for something, its always in the History.

Please always add a short description as to what your changing. Some people havn't been doing this, and looking over changes makes it much harder. If you use the Preview button before applying your edits, you can save a lot of useless one-minute-later edits to the history of some documents, which makes looking over the edits easier also.

If you do end up doing the one-minute-later edits, at least describe the small edit you did, instead of repeating the last comment. Something simple like "forgot a period" is enough.

And to point out something, ExplodyThingy is correct. Always write a Wiki in the third person. Take my CEBot history as an example. I wrote it as if I was someone else talking about CEBot.

Mine GO BOOM - Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:16 pm
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Dr Brain wrote:

Oh, on a minor note: Is it possible to disable guest edits? I don't ask this because I dislike guests editing, but rather because I don't notice for a few edits that I'm not logged in.

Guests edits have been removed by the time you wrote this.

Pests - Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:00 pm
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Could you please enable file uploads? I don't need it at the moment but I'm sure it will be useful for some people.

Oh, and the LVZ Format looks nice, MGB. You realize there is wiki markup for tables as well?

Last thing, I really suggest not using "Protocol" as the start of a page name. If its okay with you guys I'm willing to rename them and fix all the links.

Smong - Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:21 pm
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Yeah go ahead, I'm sure Cypher won't mind when he gets round to reading this. Although it may help in the long run if you are browsing the directory via ftp and related files are all grouped together by a prefix. You can always mask the real name using the pipe [[page|alias]].

I added some documentation for a module to see what others would think. I prefixed the page CustomModule_ is that ok?

Pests - Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:26 pm
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Well when you prefix things they are all organized under that letter in the category listing. If anything it should be a suffex, and the _ isnt even really needed.

Mine GO BOOM - Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:48 pm
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Pests wrote:

The only thing I can see file uploads being useful is for screen shots and such, so I might do it for images only. All other files should be linked to another site, such as zip files or text documents.

Eh, I don't use Wikis at all. I saw it allowed limited HTML markup when playing with settings, so I figured I could make some nice looking tables.

ExplodyThingy - Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:51 pm
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MGB. I know you like #redirect but Wikipedia says it wont be supported in the future. I dont know if that means that only Wikipedia will drop support for it or if they are planning on future updates from MediaWiki. Just FYI.

Also, can someone change "User DB (Biller)" to just "biller"? Biller is more well known.

Pests - Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:55 pm
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I changed it from Billing Server to User DB the other night. Biller now? Okay.

Pests - Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:05 pm
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Ive noticed some talking in the article pages. How about we move those kinda of talks into the discussion page every article has?

Grunge - Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:00 pm
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Wondering if it is going to be a strictly ASSS Wiki. Since there are already non-ASSS related objects, why not expand it?

I'm contributing as much as I can, though I do apologize for any mistakes. Thanks for catching them, Smong =)

Pests - Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:21 pm
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Its not an ASSS wiki anymore, many subgame topics are covered, ect.

CypherJF - Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:34 pm
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ExplodyThingy wrote:

I wonder, 1.) why, 2.) how are they going to make it backwards compatable.

@MGB: On http://wiki.minegoboom.com/index.php/LVL_Format
It says you uploaded tileset.jpg for a testing purpose, but there is no image on the actual page, but only text "tileset.jpg".

Could someone find that one image of the tileset & explinations and upload it there?

Pests - Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:38 pm
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I finnally got sub categories working. Seems things are getting a little unorganized. Any suggestions for a possible new structure? So far this is what we have:

Code: Show/Hide

Map
MySQL
Profiles
Server
Zones

Documents
Documents> FAQ
Documents> Tutorial
Documents> Protocol
Documents> Definitions

Module
Module > Custom Module

Resources
Resources> Bots
Resources> Tools

Need a category for chatnet too. Safe to call it Chatnet?

Cy: Can't find anything.

Mine GO BOOM - Tue Jan 11, 2005 9:07 pm
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CypherJF wrote:

On http://wiki.minegoboom.com/index.php/LVL_Format
It says you uploaded tileset.jpg for a testing purpose, but there is no image on the actual page, but only text "tileset.jpg".

I uploaded it and then deleted it. The whole point is, I want someone else to use the Upload feature to upload the images and put them how they'd like it. I want to make sure it works for non-ops too.

CypherJF - Tue Jan 11, 2005 9:21 pm
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Yeah I figured, just wonder why the remnant (sp?) was left behind...

lol. no biggie.

Dr Brain - Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:10 pm
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Pests wrote:

Need a category for chatnet too. Safe to call it Chatnet?

Put it in protocols. That's where it belongs.

Pests - Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:37 pm
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ChatNet Clients.

I feel Resources is good.

Working on cleaning up the system, ensuring pages have the correct categories, getting rid of unnessacy pages, and renaming some of badly named pages.

Pages I've renamed:

Code: Show/Hide

Protocol ChatNet - ChatNet Protocol
Protocol TCPBilling - TCP Billing Protocol
Protocol Ping - Ping Protocol
Protocol UDPGame - UDP Game Protocol

Grelminar - Wed Jan 12, 2005 3:47 am
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I never liked the name "chatnet" for the protocol. I named the module that implements the protocol "chatnet" by analogy with "net", which implements the udp protocol. I'd rather it be called "simple chat" or "tcp chat". Or we could come up with some fancy acronym like SSDTP (subspace drivel transfer protocol).

Bak - Wed Jan 12, 2005 5:31 am
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SSDTP... that doesn't sound like a dirty word.

Anonymous - Wed Jan 12, 2005 7:40 am
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CypherJF wrote:

@MGB: On http://wiki.minegoboom.com/index.php/LVL_Format
It says you uploaded tileset.jpg for a testing purpose, but there is no image on the actual page, but only text "tileset.jpg".

That was probably my fault. Here you can see I forgot to remove it http://wiki.minegoboom.com/index.php?title=LVL_Format&diff=420&oldid=399 when I removed the references to the stamp images.

And I didn't use the upload feature as I wasn't sure about copyright.

CypherJF - Wed Jan 12, 2005 12:08 pm
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Is there anyway that MGB could add a link next to Server Help | Shanky.com .. for this; so I can easily go from the one site to the other.... :/ ?

Mine GO BOOM - Wed Jan 12, 2005 12:14 pm
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CypherJF wrote:

Is there anyway that MGB could add a link next to Server Help | Shanky.com .. for this; so I can easily go from the one site to the other.... :/ ?

Nope, impossible to change that.

CypherJF - Wed Jan 12, 2005 12:36 pm
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hah ty!

Anonymous - Wed Jan 12, 2005 12:51 pm
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So this means it is no longer a beta test? Or did you fall for Cypher's trick?

CypherJF - Wed Jan 12, 2005 12:56 pm
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rotfl... i think it's taken off quite well... sure there's still prob lots more we can do w/ it but not bad for 2 / 3 days...

Mine GO BOOM - Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:35 pm
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Its still in beta testing because I havn't setup everything in it yet. I just noticed that the MATH part doesn't work, so trying to get that working. I just set up the texvc program, now I have to intermix this with latex so it will create pretty images/correct MathML.

D1st0rt - Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:39 pm
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for a name...
STD Transmitter?

ExplodyThingy - Wed Jan 12, 2005 3:52 pm
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boinc
Boring Old Instant Network Chat

boink boink boink boink

Continual User Messaging.

Simple CHat and Instant Subspace Messages

Subspace Language Advancement Protocol

Textual Instant Transmitter for Subspace

Protocol for Echange of Network Information for Subspace

Simple-Message and Instant-Textual Exchange

Subspace Protocol for Exchange of Recent Messages

Acronyms are fun!

Pests - Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:10 pm
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I think we should rename "Server" to "ASSS" and then perhaps create "Subgame". Right now "Server" doesnt say much and I created "Servers" for pages like SSCU, SSI, ect. Then we could move asss-specific categories into ASSS as well (ie: Module).

In fact I think this would be a good idea. Im going to change things over if no one has any objections.

Bak - Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:12 pm
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STD works, Simple Text and Drivel Protocol... and refer to it as the STD Protocol

CypherJF - Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:19 pm
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STD's and ASSS' what more can the general public want... har. lol.

ExplodyThingy - Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:32 pm
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Go for it pests. section subgame already exists, and subgame2 redirects there.

And to keep the deck shuffling straight:

zones should be a page listing off the zones in the game and their links. zone should be a definition. at the moment we have the reverse.

about that page, lets not list things as "Unknown hosts." Its so, undimplomatic. I suggest "Other". FYI the two asss test zones there are SSCX-A

And for servers: SSCU may have only two official locations, but 17th parallel maintains the SSCU prefix and uses a server in norther Virgninia, either Reston or Herdon, very near to me.

Pests - Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:35 pm
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Was mentioning subgame category, not section, so tutorials for that (and not asss) are categorized correctly as well.

SuSE - Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:45 pm
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"ASSS Wiki" seems like a misnomer at this point

Pests - Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:54 pm
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Agreed.

Fixed Zone and Zones confusion. Zones is now a list of all the zones and Zone is the definition. There were a few pages that were linking to the Zone page expecting a list of zones but even with the change I think they still fit. Only big issue in determining if they should link to Zones or Zone is if the page wants to give a definitin or a list of zones. Can someone please check out this link and check the pages listed if the links should refer to the zone list instead of the definition.

I do suggest we abandon the Sections page and use categories but I think some quick links (FAQs, Tutorials, Glossery, ect) should be added to Main Page with a "more..." link to the categories page perhaps.

Thanks.

Smong - Wed Jan 12, 2005 5:05 pm
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Subspace/Continuum Developers Wiki perhaps (I expect some of you will come up with foul acronyms, although I did like SLAP), but the name ASSS Wiki can be used to lever people into using ASSS over subgame, this will accelerate the rate at which issues are discovered and fixed.

Pests - Wed Jan 12, 2005 9:01 pm
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I set up a template named disambig. Templates are just like pages but they can be included on any page by using a tag like {{name}}. Changing the template changes all the pages it is used on. The disambig tag refers to page names that could have multiple meanings, for example the 1stStrike page. Any other ideas for templates? You can pass parameters to templates to make them dynamic as well.

Im starting to not like the term/category Definitions, I feel at the moment its a Glossery which has definitions of words.

Also, should FAQ and Tutorial (caterogies) be plural?

CypherJF - Wed Jan 12, 2005 10:12 pm
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plural is categeories; Glossary..

I'd rather see like a table of contents, where if i neeed to look up a certain word, it's just easily done from a page... topics + vocab + etc. combined much like the back of a book. but there again, there is a search box...

i dunno do w/e it seems like you and the other peeps are keepin it organized.

Pests - Wed Jan 12, 2005 11:20 pm
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Started to switch over to categories for navigation. Set up a category list with main categories and added some nice looking quicklinks to the main page. Organized some format pages into a new category, Format.

Would be nice to have some *good* descriptions of each category since this will be the main entry point into these files.

Anonymous - Thu Jan 13, 2005 4:19 am
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I have an idea for a template, most of my released modules use pretty much the same help document. To save me from writing the help twice I'm just pasting it into wiki slightly edited for formatting and typos.

Could you make a template that took parameters for this sort of thing? I've added another module's help so you can compare the common bits. I haven't added many custom module help documents, so it's not too much effort to change the format if anyone doesn't like it.
http://wiki.minegoboom.com/index.php/Using_Custom_Modules

Mine GO BOOM - Thu Jan 13, 2005 9:26 am
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You guys seem to know now what a "Minor Edit" means. Its there, so when people, like myself, browse the Recent Changes page, can filter out little things that doesn't matter. Such as spelling errors, reordering a list, changing a link, etc.

If you are actually adding content, redoing a design, replying via the Talk pages, or changing more than one or two small things, please don't check the Minor Edit button. This allows people like myself who browse the histories to ignore small changes that doesn't matter too much, but allow us to look for larger changes that make a difference.

Also, when creating a page, that doesn't count as a minor edit. Please try to use this feature for what it was meant to be.

i88gerbils - Thu Jan 13, 2005 1:26 pm
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Does anybody else think that the default skin could be improved immensely if it simply used a different font?

Dr Brain - Thu Jan 13, 2005 2:08 pm
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i88gerbils wrote:

Does anybody else think that the default skin could be improved immensely if it simply used a different font?

Yes. Though I dislike other things about it, too.

Pests - Thu Jan 13, 2005 3:07 pm
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Agreed, perhaps change the flower image too.

MGB: I have minor edit defaulted to check so sometimes I forget to uncheck. =/

Mine GO BOOM - Thu Jan 13, 2005 4:52 pm
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I told you, if anyone wants to work on themes, let me know and I can setup you with FTP access to screw around with making your own theme all you want.

EDIT: Or, you could do it yourself. Aparently, everyone can edit their own CSS to be used on the site. More info here.

ExplodyThingy - Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:01 pm
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http://wiki.minegoboom.com/index.php/Servers

This page is full of undefined links that need adding and a whole bunch more terms like them. However, this is the only page that references many of these files so it doesnt appear in the WantedPages.

Pests - Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:19 pm
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Ill add it to community page.

Making the site look how you want may be good but if someone is new and just visiting the page they wont know how to do things like that.

Mine GO BOOM - Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:40 pm
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Pests wrote:

Making the site look how you want may be good but if someone is new and just visiting the page they wont know how to do things like that.

The idea is, is that you, as a user right now, can make it look pretty. Once you do that, I can easily add it to the true themes lists and maybe set it as default.

Pests - Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:42 pm
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Oh, I see.

Grunge - Thu Jan 13, 2005 6:59 pm
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Mine GO BOOM wrote:

[..]

The idea is, is that you, as a user right now, can make it look pretty. Once you do that, I can easily add it to the true themes lists and maybe set it as default.

I'm looking, but I'm not seeing where to edit my CSS.

Pests - Thu Jan 13, 2005 7:43 pm
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You have to go to User:Grunge/somecss.css (depends on template I beleive), read the link MGB posted and it will tell you which.

Anonymous - Thu Jan 13, 2005 8:04 pm
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The current skin looks ok to me apart from the mediawiki logo. To me the font looks like what every other webpage on the web uses, even this forum.

Mine GO BOOM - Thu Jan 13, 2005 8:39 pm
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Pests wrote:

You have to go to User:Grunge/somecss.css (depends on template I beleive), read the link MGB posted and it will tell you which.

By default, everyone starts with the Monobook theme. Thus, to edit your local CSS:

http://wiki.minegoboom.com/index.php?title=User:your_name_here/monobook.css

If you want to use the empty skin to start anew, use the 'MySkin' theme and the following:

http://wiki.minegoboom.com/index.php?title=User:your_name_here/myskin.css

ExplodyThingy - Thu Jan 13, 2005 10:30 pm
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Egad, people, PLEASE do not save once per minute for twenty minutes (looks at I88gerbils), but if you really really must, use the "Minor Edit" option so we can clean them out. Also as mike ahs been asking, use the Summary field and make a comment about your changes.

*again looks at I88gerbils*

Pests - Thu Jan 13, 2005 10:59 pm
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Explody: When I tried to edit my css it only effected the preview page. In order to see if it works on other pages you have to save.

Pests - Thu Jan 13, 2005 11:11 pm
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Renamed some categories:

Profiles -> People
Custom Module -> Custom Modules

Mine GO BOOM - Thu Jan 13, 2005 11:57 pm
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Pests wrote:

Explody: When I tried to edit my css it only effected the preview page. In order to see if it works on other pages you have to save.

I'll look into making an option to ignore changing user's CSS files and enable it by default. Should clear it up nicely.

And i88gerbils: if you'd like to merge some of your ASWZ's wiki data into here, feel free. Like the page about VIE, all I did was borrow something to fill up space for a bit. Your history recordings are much, and I would love it if you would fill it into here also.

It seems as if the ASSS Wiki is anything but ASSS.

Anonymous - Fri Jan 14, 2005 3:41 am
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ExplodyThingy wrote:

PLEASE do not save once per minute for twenty minutes (looks at I88gerbils

Don't worry there is half a page of Nikegurl edits now, all regarding the same page.

Pests and me almost managed to get a whole page of legitimate recent changes, but then Dr Brain changed something when we only had to make 3 more changes

Pests - Fri Jan 14, 2005 3:28 pm
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I88gerbils:

If your planning on having everything in template.sss on the wiki I could probably write a script to parse out everything and create all the pages.

SuSE - Fri Jan 14, 2005 8:49 pm
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well I haven't done any web stuff in a while, so

who's for a shanky.com/server theme? black background, light gray or white text and green/red/lightblue/etc for flashy stuff?

maybe something based off the ss ui/look

SuSE - Fri Jan 14, 2005 8:53 pm
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btw you guys feel free to remote link (or harvest) images from http://graphics.sscentral.com

probably only these two directories will be useful:
http://graphics.sscentral.com/png/
http://graphics.sscentral.com/anim/gif/

Mine GO BOOM - Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:13 pm
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For that site, I'd seriously hope you know about ln. I already know you don't know about pngcrush because a few test images I ran knocked the file sizes down 50%.

As for the gifs, I'd recommend making them transparent. If you don't have access for it, I'll plan on uploading a copy of them to here. Not too big of images, once you cut out 50% of the fat without lossing anything.

Pests - Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:44 pm
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Hey guys, anyone have a screenshot of the old SS help graphic/page with all the items / ships on it?

Mine GO BOOM - Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:43 pm
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Mean this?

Mine GO BOOM - Sat Jan 15, 2005 12:21 am
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Oh man, guess what I found. Mine Killer's flash website. Oh how bad it looks. Of course, that was 5 years ago, with myself being only 16 years old, and that being my third attempt at flash.

SuSE - Sat Jan 15, 2005 3:03 am
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Mine GO BOOM wrote:

For that site, I'd seriously hope you know about ln. I already know you don't know about pngcrush because a few test images I ran knocked the file sizes down 50%.

I know of both of those.

I stopped working on the stuff before I got around to running the png's through pngcrush.

Mine GO BOOM wrote:

As for the gifs, I'd recommend making them transparent. If you don't have access for it, I'll plan on uploading a copy of them to here. Not too big of images, once you cut out 50% of the fat without lossing anything.

A set without the black would be useful - never got around to that, either. For images to be used in the wiki, though, I would leave the black, since that is their natural state (or present them all normally and transparent'd). (or just use some transparents to explain how the game deals with transparency)

Pests - Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:45 am
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Few things I want to address:

If you do not categorize the pages its just more edits later to do so and people trying to find the information has a harder time trying to find what they want.

I personally think settings should be layed out like here (which parses template.sss, layout changeable). Others have been going with this path, making one page for each section and then another page for each setting. This could work out in the end but as it stands it violates the categorization sheme we have been trying to achive by creating the lists of settings in each section instead of just making each section a subcategory of Settings. If we don't decide the proper way to do this now then it might be mass deletes and edits in the future.

Smong - Sat Jan 15, 2005 12:38 pm
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Since the documentation on using modules was previosuly prefixed CustomModule, and then the prefix was dropped. Then even later the suffix Module was added. Can't you suffix Settings to the end of a section name, fx: Notes Settings, PrizeWeight Settings?

Pests - Sat Jan 15, 2005 1:41 pm
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Very true. Going to set it up later.