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ASSS Questions - obscene.txt

BlueGoku - Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:07 pm
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Are there any plans for an obscene.txt like module or addition to the ASSS source itself? Here in HZ we rely heavily on obscene.txt because I don't want to censor my players and thus I have obscene.txt set to turn on by default. That way, if anyone doesn't want to hear any racist/offensive comments, they just simply don't turn off the filter.

Anyway, if this hasn't been created already, anyone have any pointers or something, so I can possibly get one of my dev guys working on it?

Thanks in advance.

Mr Ekted - Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:48 pm
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Censorship is obscene.

Grelminar - Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:56 am
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I thought the way obscene.txt worked was that if a line of chat matched, it just got dropped. How do players "turn off" the filter?

In general, though, I agree with Ekted, which is why I haven't implemented it yet. I realize that some people want it, though, so I'd consider doing it, if someone explains exactly how it works. Or I'd merge it in the standard distribution if someone else writes it.

Maverick - Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:24 am
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Zone owners can set the obscene filter on by default. That means that any (pub/team) chat line containing a word or a part of a word that matches anything on obscene.txt, is dropped.
Players can toggle the obscene filter off by typing '?obscene' in the zone.

However, players can also set the obscene filter on with the same command. So players always toggle the obscene filter ON when they are in zones who have set the obscene filter to OFF by default.

As3 should not follow this line of censoring chat lines like that imo, instead as3 should blank out the obscene words if they are on the obscene filter.
For example:

Quote:

PlayerName> Why did you do that *********?

Players can toggle this behaviour the same way they toggle the obscene filter in subgame (by typing ?obscene).

On a side note: In subgame, toggling the obscene filter to ON by default also disallows players to enter who have an obscene name. (A player name is obscene when a part of their name is on the obscene filter)

Mr Ekted - Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:53 am
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I would be in favor of the feature only if it was client-side. hen players could setup their own obscene.txt file. Of course, this has the added bonus that they would have to type all the words that offend them. Muahaha!

Maverick - Wed Oct 05, 2005 10:05 am
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I think it would be better if its server-side: more newb-friendly.

BlueGoku - Wed Oct 05, 2005 10:59 am
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Ekted: The only offensive references on our obscene.txt are racist words.

A lot of zones just flat out don't allow racism and ban/silence for it on site. I set up an in-between so that only people who go out of their way to avoid the racism filter will get silenced.

Mav: That's a good idea, but I'm thinking it's a lot harder than coding a module that drops the whole sentence.

Maverick - Wed Oct 05, 2005 11:14 am
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BlueGoku, not really. You just replace the word from obscene.txt with ******* in the sentence.
However, I don't know how as3 exactly words so I can't be certain

Muskrat - Wed Oct 05, 2005 11:22 am
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I agree. It wouldn't be much more work than a normal obscene module.

i88gerbils - Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:35 pm
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Obscene.txt - Just like the Infantry Forums!

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Hmm, this is a Server Suggestion or Custom Code? I'll move it to Server Suggestion for now. [ed. - on second thought it may require either a patch or a module so i'm moving to Custom Code].

Can you do this with CB_CHATMSG? Or is the callback called after the chat message is sent to everyone?

Code: Show/Hide

if (net)
net->SendToArena(arena, p, (byte*)to, strlen(msg)+6,
ismacro ? cfg_msgrel | NET_PRI_N1 : cfg_msgrel);
if (chatnet)
chatnet->SendToArena(arena, p, "MSG:PUB:%s:%s", p->name, msg);

DO_CBS(CB_CHATMSG, arena, ChatMsgFunc, (p, to->type, sound, NULL, -1, msg));

Hm.. it looks like it happens afterwards..

Dr Brain - Thu Oct 06, 2005 12:16 am
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Wrong forum.

Why have a server suggestions forum at all? After all, everything "may require either a patch or a module".

Grelminar - Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:15 am
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Nope, CB_CHATMSG won't work. And if you want players to have the ability to turn it on and off independently, it'll need a bunch of work in chat.c, to construct two different lists of players (or at least one list, that may be a subset of the current list).

Also, how persistent is the setting? Is it stored on the client? Does the client send ?obscene=1/0 on every login? How does the client know what the server's default is?

Maverick - Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:02 am
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Grelminar wrote:

Also, how persistent is the setting? Is it stored on the client? Does the client send ?obscene=1/0 on every login? How does the client know what the server's default is?

The setting gets resed as soon as the client leaves the zone (or server). The client doesn't store the ?obscene setting by itself afaik, the server does that.
The client doesn't know the default setting of the server, it just doesn't see obscene messages when the filter is ON at the server. As soon a client does ?obscene, the server sends obscene messages to the client from that moment on and sends an arena message to the client that the obscene filter is toggled OFF.

Dr Brain - Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:13 am
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Anyone know what this does?

Maverick - Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:20 am
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oh, that might mean the client blocks obscene messages by itself?

Grelminar - Thu Oct 06, 2005 1:47 pm
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Yes, it might. Do you actually know what you're talking about, or are you just guessing? So far it looks like guessing, and I'd really like to know for sure before I start working on it.

BlueGoku - Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:48 pm
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Perhaps Ekted can shed some light on this?

Mr Ekted - Thu Oct 06, 2005 4:27 pm
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I always assumed the client sent some flag (bit in login packet?) to the server, and the server did the filtering. But I don't know for sure.

Maverick - Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:38 pm
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I'm not guessing, im theorizing from what I know already.

Smong - Fri Oct 07, 2005 6:04 am
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I suggest a server side command ?obscene with optional arguments. That way a player can control whether it is on or off with the auto-commands: ?obscene off.

Also the * method would have to convert words of any length to something like four *'s, otherwise people can try and guess the word.

One last thing, I helped Solo Ace write such a module a long time ago (and I think there was some agreement I couldn't distribute it).

Mr Ekted - Fri Oct 07, 2005 6:09 am
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No matter what you do, you can't filter all possible "creative" text: sh1t, @ssh0le, etc.

Maverick - Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:38 am
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Bak wrote:

Call a cop a "pig" to his face and he'll arrest you.

There is a difference between calling a cop a "pig" and telling the cop that you find him a "pig".

Sorry for this offtopic reply.

Grelminar, if this module is created, would it be included in the next release version?

i88gerbils - Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:58 am
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Yes, one is slightly more respectful of another person's opinion, but that is all.

Grelminar - Sat Oct 08, 2005 1:11 am
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If it's implemented to my satisfaction, I'll at least include it in the contrib directory. I can't guarantee when I'll have time to actually do a release, but there's nothing preventing you from using it before that. I would like a release to happen soon, though, since there's some useful stuff that hasn't been released yet.

Chambahs - Sat Oct 08, 2005 2:30 am
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like what? did you fix the ?quickfix/esc+c bug?

Grelminar - Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:17 pm
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http://sscx.net/asss/changelog.txt

BlueGoku - Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:47 pm
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Any progress on the obscene filter?

Grelminar - Sat Oct 15, 2005 1:34 am
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Niadh has written an implementation, and sent me patches. I looked over it, and it looks pretty good, although there are a few tweaks I'd like to make.

I'll try to merge it soon (maybe this weekend), and it'll get into 1.4.1. I've also attached his original version, if anyone wants to try it out.

BlueGoku - Sat Oct 15, 2005 11:37 am
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I'll just wait for your merging.

Very awesome, thanks.