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Quan Chi2 - Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:42 pm
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Im just wondering.. what gave the makers of SS the idea for...SS? How long did it take to make it?

Was it tough?
How many people did it take to make it?

Does it take money to make a game? Or just a compiler and knowledge of a software development language?

What gfx program was used to make the original SS gfx?

What year was it started?

All of this im wondering..
Not that I want to be a professional game designer..but it would be cool to make a game one day when I've reached the level of knowledge needed to make a game..

So far I've only made a chat based game for mIRC in the 6th grade..
It was Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance.. I figure.. It took about 3 months to make it.. And its just a chat based fighting game.. So mabye it would take about 3 years to make a game like subspace? Of course, I made it alone.. Mabye it would be less ammount of time to make with more than one person..

I've only been playing this game for about 8 months..

Just wondering..

Mr Ekted - Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:20 pm
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A really decent coder could make a complete Subspace client from scratch in about 6-9 months. This does not include all of the graphics/sounds, nor the game server, billing server, or directory server.

Note that Subspace, being a 2d game, is an order of magnitude simpler in graphics and physics. If you do into 3d, expect to have to get into much higher levels of math and modeling.

Quan Chi2 - Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:41 pm
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Math.. mainly geometry? Including trig and algebra, eh?
lol, how would you test the game if it has no gfx? lol.. just wondering.. anyway, six to 9 months isnt bad if you know your stuff

Bak - Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:48 pm
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He means that his estimate doesn't include the time to make the graphics. As for testing it without graphics, you can imagine using filler graphics (like a trace of a ship) before the final rendered warbirds are completed.

Yeah trig and algebra are probably the main ones that you'd use.

Dr Brain - Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:18 am
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Calculus would come in handy though.

Quan Chi2 - Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:53 am
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Why calculus? I didnt take that yet.. Sadly Im only in the 10th grade so far lol... Im 14.. I heard calculus is very hard.. But to me, math is jsut a bunch of formulas.. Thinking that makes it easy..for me

Bak - Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:19 am
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calculus isn't hard, and you probably don't need it.

Dr Brain - Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:12 pm
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Calculus really helps for understanding the relationship between position, velocity and acceleration.

newb - Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:22 pm
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I will be taking maths (since I started a new year (year 9) which is incidentally my birthday tomorrow) technology and art for my GCSEs and doing tech in free periods.

Hope to advance in computer technology when I am older.

Cyan~Fire - Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:00 pm
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You basically can't do physics without calculus.

D1st0rt - Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:35 pm
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IB Physics doesn't use calculus, and it does quite a bit

SamHughes - Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:23 pm
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If it doesn't use calculus, then it's not physics. Physics without calculus was more like Systems Of Equations 101 for me.

Of course, I'm just being an elitist snob for fun; this isn't really my opinion.

The trouble with physics without calc is that when you finally do learn calculus, you basically relearn everything you learned in calculess (<- hehe) physics anyway. (Except for some optics and waves stuff. You relearn that in DiffEq.)

Cyan~Fire - Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:11 pm
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I've learned calculus with Physics in IB (but only optionally).

But either way, you're using calculus whether you know it or not. d = vt + 1/2at^2? Integral. PEs = 1/2kx^2? Integral. Moments of intertia? Integrals.

Bak - Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:55 pm
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that's great, but given those equations you don't need to actually do the integral anywhere (the calculus part). All you need to know is velocity changes position and acceleration changes velocity.

Dr Brain - Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:07 am
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You don't need to know trig to be able to do sines and cosines. You can use the taylor series of e^x on complex variables to derrives Euler's equation and use that instead. The point is that it's very helpful, not necessary.

SamHughes - Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:43 am
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Okay, so you don't need to know trig; you can just use calculus instead

edit:

Er, never mind. You can't derive Euler's equation without knowing trig either.

Really, you don't need to know trig to compute sines and cosines because the calculator has a button for it.

You don't need to know arithmetic because the calculator has a button for that, too! (~Sighs at the memory of a person pulling a TI-83 out of her purse to type in 40+8 and discover that the answer is 48.~)

Cancer+ - Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:34 pm
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nerds

Quan Chi2 - Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:38 pm
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im no nerd

Cyan~Fire - Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:03 pm
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No, no you are not. Nerd is a compliment.

Sam wrote:

~Sighs at the memory of a person pulling a TI-83 out of her purse to type in 40+8 and discover that the answer is 48.~

Haha, yeah, I love that kind of stuff. People are retarded.

Dr Brain - Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:31 pm
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I often delegate simple arithmetic to my calculator in the middle of a problem because of the overhead of switching the arithmetic part of my brain back from commanding the calculator to doing the math itself.

People sometimes give me a hard time about it, but they always shut up when I still do the problem faster than they do.

Bak - Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:08 pm
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wow, you're such a badass dr. brain

Dr Brain - Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:03 pm
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I'm just saying don't rag on people for using their calculator for simple math.

Confess - Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:21 pm
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Wow, you're 14 and are in teh 10th grade? How did that work out..Most kids your age are in the 8th - 9th grade at 14..

Studies have shown that starting your kids out late can actually be better for them acedemicly..They also are less likely to end up making choices such as taking drugs/etc. Is this why you are so messed up?

Muskrat - Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:33 pm
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So how many years were you held back, Confess?

LearJett+ - Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:34 pm
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Confess wrote:

Studies have shown that starting your kids out late can actually be better for them acedemicly..They also are less likely to end up making choices such as taking drugs/etc. Is this why you are so messed up?

Confess must have started early.

newb - Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:22 am
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Muskrat wrote:

So how many years were you held back, Confess?

rofl.

Anonymous - Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:13 pm
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Quan Chi2 wrote:

how would you test the game if it has no gfx?

To answer that question examine this picture:
http://toktok.sscentral.com/dump/mf.png

If you haven't got a clue what that is a picture of then this picture probably won't help either:
http://geekculture.dk/bedler/auto/1047038858smb2_17.jpg

Anonymous - Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:14 pm
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lol, you have to love some of those anti-leech scripts. Just search for 'super monkey ball fight' images and don't click on the second link.

Cyan~Fire - Thu Sep 08, 2005 6:25 pm
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A 14-year-old in 8th grade? What the hay?

I was 15-16 in 10th grade, and there were a few people that were 14 (even one in 11th) so I don't see what's so weird about it.

D1st0rt - Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:51 pm
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I was 14 in 10th grade

Quan Chi2 - Thu Sep 08, 2005 10:51 pm
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... Im just 14 in the 10th grade... Bday in september

Cancer+ - Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:49 am
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wtf?

i was 17 in 12th
so that would make me 15 in 10th...

my birthday was one of the later ones....

i guess it all just depends on the school where the cutoff for the grades are.

Purge - Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:47 pm
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My b'day is in the summer, so I'm always the "correct" age for when I enter a grade. Like I was 15 in 10th, and now 16 in 11th grade.

Quan Chi2 - Fri Sep 09, 2005 4:15 pm
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Im always the one left behind in age

Everyone having 16th bdays.. while I'm just getting my 15th bday.. BUT! IT WILL PAY OFF SOMEWHAT WHEN IM OLDER! ha..

Bak - Fri Sep 09, 2005 5:56 pm
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yeah like when all your friends go to a 21 and older bar for their 21st and you can't go. Or did you mean when all your friends die and you're left to live out your later years alone and miserable?

Quan Chi2 - Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:16 pm
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.. way to make it better

Dr Brain - Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:16 am
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We aim to please.