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Quan Chi2 - Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:51 pm
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I noticed that a ton of people make misc. Continuum related programs in java.. Whats up with that?

Is java like the easyiest software development language to make apps?

Im just curious. I might consider learning it if its that easy.. I heard it was easy but I didnt think that it would be really easy..

Just wondering..

Solo Ace - Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:53 pm
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I'd say "not easy enough for you".
Take that however you want.

Quan Chi2 - Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:58 pm
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It looked hard for me to read at first.. But after looking at C++ it looked way easyier..

Just wondering if its good to learn..

Cerium - Wed Aug 24, 2005 9:59 pm
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http://java.sun.com/learning/new2java

Cyan~Fire - Wed Aug 24, 2005 10:10 pm
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Java is easier than C++ if you're lazy.

Quan Chi2 - Wed Aug 24, 2005 10:13 pm
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oh..
C++ looked easyier than java to me.. probably because im used to looking at that 1 language lately..

Bak - Wed Aug 24, 2005 10:16 pm
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Making a GUI in Java is more intuitive than using Win32 with C or C++, although Ekted would say it wastes too many resources compared to the alternative. Computers are fast these days, though, so it's not as much of an issue as it used to be. Plus cross platform capability never hurt anything other than performace, which we've already covered.

Cerium - Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:37 am
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Quan ChiTwo, How could C++ 'look' easier? The syntax and many keywords are close to identical, and will probably look even more so to someone who isnt proficient in either.

Dr Brain - Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:12 am
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Java is da bomb.

Maverick - Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:34 pm
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Java is slow

Contempt+ - Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:08 pm
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Haha, HTML owns all.

CypherJF - Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:31 pm
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Java is not slow.. :/ and I have a crappy computer lol

Quan Chi2 - Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:46 pm
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I dont know how C++ looked(s) easier to me.

SuSE - Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:55 pm
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Yes Java is easy. It also cuts down on work for porting programs to other systems. For instance, because Smong made his chat thing in Java, I can easily chat on SSC on Linux.

Muskrat - Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:48 pm
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ccc4lyfe

Smong - Fri Aug 26, 2005 5:01 pm
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The only problems I have with Java are the incompatibilities I come across when trying to run an app compiled with a higher version than what it's trying to run on and that it interferes with directx/opengl in such a way that running the same app twice without rebooting often locks up my comp and causes cont to stop loading.

Donkano - Fri Aug 26, 2005 6:55 pm
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I am in the same boat is Quan Chi2. I prefer C++ over Java, because I have never tried to program in Java, all I have seen of it is a sample .class file. Quite honestly, I do prefer C++ over Java for 2 main reasons: CPU usage and because I know C++ already.

CypherJF - Fri Aug 26, 2005 7:05 pm
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CPU usage? Or do you mean memory usage, since everything is loaded dynamically?

Donkano - Fri Aug 26, 2005 7:14 pm
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Whatever, I don't use Java, I don't care.

Muskrat - Fri Aug 26, 2005 10:01 pm
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If you plan to progress in programming.... that could be a bad attitude to have.

Donkano - Fri Aug 26, 2005 11:25 pm
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Well, I mean, C++ can do everything Java could, and if I want to get ot be web-based, I can move on to C Sharp.

Dr Brain - Fri Aug 26, 2005 11:41 pm
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C can do everything C++ can, and assembly can do everything C can, so just use assembly.

Cyan~Fire - Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:21 am
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He didn't say he uses C++ solely because it can do everything Java can. I don't think not using Java is because stuck in the past, it's just a matter of preference. Both languages have their strengths.

Dr Brain - Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:38 am
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Yes, but he's made it clear that it's not a matter of preference.

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I prefer C++ over Java, because I have never tried to program in Java

Quan Chi2 - Sun Aug 28, 2005 2:01 pm
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Donkano - Sun Aug 28, 2005 3:01 pm
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Well, Dr Brain, how can I prefer something I have never tried? And I don't have much motivation to try it because C is as capable as Java and I got a 1,040 page book on C++, as well.

Gravitron - Sun Aug 28, 2005 4:08 pm
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C++ = best for multi-functional-high-design codework.
ASM = best for debug/hack/show-off

Dr Brain - Sun Aug 28, 2005 5:08 pm
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Donkano wrote:

Well, Dr Brain, how can I prefer something I have never tried? And I don't have much motivation to try it because C is as capable as Java and I got a 1,040 page book on C++, as well.

You can't. But you also can't prefer something you have tried over something you haven't.

SuSE - Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:42 am
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Dr Brain wrote:

C can do everything C++ can, and assembly can do everything C can, so just use assembly.

Really? ...and what if you want that assembly to run on another architecture?

Dr Brain - Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:57 am
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Well, good God, what if you want to run that C++ on another machine?

CypherJF - Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:29 am
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Let's just all goto LISP.. dangit.

Cerium - Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:59 am
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I refuse to use anything named after the way stereotypical homosexuals talk.

CypherJF - Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:59 am
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LOL brainfuck then?

Cyan~Fire - Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:12 pm
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Brain wrote:

Well, good God, what if you want to run that C++ on another machine?

I do believe he's talking about the source code. C++ source can be fully platform independent.

Dr Brain - Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:24 pm
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I don't believe he knows what he's talking about. I was making a point, and he wants to get technical.

C/C++ cannot be used on one platform and moved without, at the very least, recomplilation. The same is true of assembly.

You can't even move from one OS to another without recompiling, much less one architecture to another.

SamHughes - Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:40 pm
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Donkano wrote:

Well, Dr Brain, how can I prefer something I have never tried? And I don't have much motivation to try it because C is as capable as Java and I got a 1,040 page book on C++, as well.

The whole "as capable" argument is an excuse for stupidity. If you don't find learning new programming languages to be interesting, it's your loss. All programming languages are equally capable, if they're Turing complete and have interfaces to the outside world. And most are equally capable to the point that problems' optimal asymptotic runtime is the same for all languages. (Brainfuck is one exception, since you have no random access to memory.) Only a troglodyte would care about how capable a language is; what matters is how powerful. Powerful programming languages let the programmer do more work, more accurately, in less time. C is not a powerful programming language, unless you're writing code that really wants to be fast. (Or if your operating system uses C...) C++ is a bit more powerful, since it allows more abstractions, but it uses a weird kludge in place of closures.

Cerium, if you're going to give an idiotic reason like that, it's not a problem, because you can learn Scheme instead.

Cerium - Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:21 pm
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Twas a joke, my friend. Nothing more.

SamHughes - Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:25 pm
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Yah, I know