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Cyan~Fire - Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:19 pm
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I have a question for some of you computer experts here. If your computer blue-screens with a driver crash, is it always a bug in the driver or could it be a bug in a program using the driver?

I'm trying to help someone that has trouble playing a computer game. He has an onboard Realtek soundcard and when certain sounds or combinations of sounds activate, his computer bluescreens.

Mr.hamm192 - Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:30 pm
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Well can he boot up his computer? That would make it ezer to answer.

Mine GO BOOM - Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:24 pm
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A driver is required to deal with any inputs in a safe manner. If someone sends invalid data to a driver, it should handle it safely and ignore it. Why? Drivers run in kernel mode, anything that runs in kernel mode should always sanitize any input it receives.

It is a bug in both systems. The driver cannot handle the input and fails. The program is sending data that the driver cannot handle. It maybe something that technically the driver should be able to handle, in which case it isn't the application's fault, but you are probably more likely to have the program's developers fix the problem than Realtek (known for crappy drivers).

Cyan~Fire - Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:17 pm
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Thanks, MGB. I was thinking that was the case. The issue though is that since it's bluescreening it's hard to get any real info at the higher level of the game.

BDwinsAlt - Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:35 pm
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Do you mean the blue screen of death? I kind of miss those things. It's weird how you miss the things you hate.

CypherJF - Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:46 pm
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I thought Vista was supposed to have Red Screens of Death but I've seen the blue ones on my brand new Dell when I put it into "power saving" mode when connected to my APC. APC says it's normal... :-/

BDwinsAlt - Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:26 pm
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Windowz

I guess you just have to work around it. I know my dad rigs everything when it tears up.

Cyan~Fire - Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:03 pm
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As always, you're so cool because you run Linux, BD.

Animate Dreams - Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:12 pm
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Wtf, Cyan. I run Linux too. :(

Dr Brain - Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:03 pm
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As do I, but I try not to beat the rest of the forum over the head with it. It doesn't make me any cooler than anyone else, contrary to what BD seems to believe.

Animate Dreams - Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:02 pm
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Quiet, Brain, now Cyan isn't going to think I'm cool. -.-

Anonymous - Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:04 pm
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Linux rocks. I have the right to hate on windows now since I' ve used it. Linux is the best. I'm simply a very proud user. Animate, you are cool.

Solo Ace - Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:45 pm
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Could you PLEASE STOP whining/bragging about Linux!?!?!?!?

I RUN A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT OSs, BUT DO YOU SEE ME CRYING ABOUT THEM IN EVERYTHREAD I SEE A POSSIBILITY TO DO SO IN? NO.

Linux doesn't make you sexy, and it won't get you closer to any girl. It doesn't make you cooler and we won't respect you more or less because of it. Well, probably only less because you can't seem to stop talking about it.

Cyan~Fire - Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:13 pm
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I use Linux where appropriate and Windows where appropriate. I play my DirectX games on Windows; I resize my NTFS partitions on Linux.

About bluescreening, I'm sure if you feed Linux a bad kernel or bad driver you'll get crashes all the time. The issue with Linux is not bad drivers, though, it's non-existent ones.

BDwinsAlt - Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:20 pm
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Linux.

@Cyan: Yeah I had some issues when I deleted Windows. Grub got mad cause the boot files were on Windows and when it got erased.....

I couldn't get a grub prompt or anything. Reinstallation ftw.

Linux.

Animate Dreams - Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:01 pm
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Wait a second, I run Solaris. That puts me on a level above BD. I win. ^^

BDwinsAlt - Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:22 pm
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It's all based on Unix isn't it.

Maybe I should start saying Unix. -Hands Animate the Java award-

Animate Dreams - Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:58 am
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Solaris is BSD, I think. I don't remember.

BDwinsAlt - Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:13 am
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In the early 1990s, Sun replaced the BSD-derived SunOS 4 with a version of UNIX System V Release 4 (SVR4), jointly developed with AT&T. The underlying release name was SunOS 5.0, but a new marketing name was introduced at the same time: Solaris 2. While SunOS 4.1.x micro releases were retroactively named Solaris 1 by Sun, the name Solaris is almost exclusively used to refer to SVR4-derived SunOS 5.0 and later.[2]

Solaris is considered to be the SunOS operating system plus a graphical user environment, ONC+, and other components. The SunOS minor version is included in the Solaris release name; for example, Solaris 2.4 incorporated SunOS 5.4. After Solaris 2.6, Sun dropped the "2." from the name, so Solaris 7 incorporates SunOS 5.7, and the latest release SunOS 5.10 forms the core of Solaris 10.

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Sun also plans to implement support for the ABI of the Linux platform in a future update to Solaris 10, allowing Solaris to run native Linux binaries on x86 systems. This feature is called "Solaris Containers for Linux Applications" or SCLA.[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaris_Operating_System

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