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Anonymous - Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:48 am
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How can I send a message to a specific player? I understand using sender as a string so the bot sends a message to the player who said something, but in this case I want the bot to send a message to another bot on a specific event.

I just don't quite get the syntax. Is it m_botAction.sendSmartPrivateMessage(playername, "message");

or if I put that does it assume that 'playername' is a string that I should have defined?

Cyan~Fire - Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:09 pm
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SendMessage(player, format, ...)

Oh wait, that's not TWCore. But it's what you should be using.

(Hint: Use ASSS, bots are so 90s.)

Anonymous - Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:58 pm
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it was

m_botAction.sendSmartPrivateMessage("playername", "message");

Cerium - Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:07 am
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Cyan, that's really starting to bug me. As Distort already said once: Bots are no longer on the 'bleeding edge' of subspace technology, but they haven't been phased out yet. Many zones still use subgame and have no intention of switching to ASSS (See: TW and most zones hosted on their server. Also, anyone who tried ASSS and had a bad experience).

Besides, if someone is having trouble doing something as simple as sending a private message to a player with a core that does 99% of the work for you, do you honestly think it's a good idea to try to get them to (a) setup ASSS and (b) write code that will run on the server?

Cyan~Fire - Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:51 am
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Yes, yes I do. People are always stuck in their old ways doing things completely inefficiently, and need a push in the right direction to thing long-term instead of short-term. It would be beneficial for any zone to switch over in the long-run because it will give them the power to do pretty much anything they want (without modifications to the client, of course).

I'll stop if it's bugging a lot of you guys, but sorry, one user's opinion is not enough to change mine. (It's nothing personal.)

D1st0rt - Sun Nov 12, 2006 1:00 pm
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Where (realistically) are zones supposed to get a development staff capable of working with ASSS? Most have enough trouble with bots as it is.

Someone who is VERY familiar with ASSS once said

Dr Brain wrote:

About switching to ASSS.

Don't do it unless you meet these three requirements:
1.) You need it. This one is very important. Don't move if you want 1 feature it can offer.
2.) You can code. This is a must. You wont find anyone who will do it for you.
3.) Slightly insane. Self explanatory. Usually fufilled by #2.
4.) You have no population to speak of. I made the mistake of not knowing this, and switched while I had a regular population. Only now, 8 months later do I have a population close to what I lost.

If you meet those, you can *think* about moving to ASSS.

Cerium - Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:45 pm
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@Cyan:
I find your eagerness to push people to ASSS similar to Linux zealots trying to push people away from Windows. In both cases it can generally be said that the alternative is better, but it also requires a lot more knowledge and work to properly maintain. What good would Linux do someone if they have trouble using Windows? Likewise, what good is ASSS going to do someone if something like the TWCore still gives them trouble?

What further amplifies this point is that the TWCore is by far the easiest core to work with -- it does everything for you. If someone can't make a bot send a message with that, they have no business writting software that runs at the server level.

Cyan wrote:

I'll stop if it's bugging a lot of you guys, but sorry, one user's opinion is not enough to change mine. (It's nothing personal.)

That's fine, and I take no offense to that. I just felt the need to let you know it was bothering me and why I feel you've gotten a bit excessive with it.

Cyan~Fire - Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:08 am
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I wouldn't compare the switch from Subgame to ASSS like Windows to Linux, it's more like IE to Firefox. You can setup a working server in ASSS very nearly as fast as you can for subgame, and I'd argue that it's actually easier to maintain. Really the only thing Subgame has going for it is all the documentation and expertise lying around.

And I've never actually coded for TWCore, so I can't really compare the ease, but I can say that if you know C, ASSS is a cinch.

Cerium - Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:14 am
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Cyan~Fire wrote:

You're missing the point: The people who are skilled enough to use ASSS aren't having trouble sending private messages with Java-based bot cores.

hellzlaker - Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:46 am
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i tried switching to asss but i had following problems

1) how the Beep you login as sysop?!?!?!?!? and after u log in *super?!?!?!?!

2) how the beeep you set settings for ships? i mean its easser to make settings in cfg and then convert it to config then staart of at config!?!?!?!

3) modules dont do as much stuff as mervbot does,

1+2+3=send asss to recycle bin

(ps: im still tryna switch to ass cuz i self host it for now and hosting 4 windows at the same time get annoying =( )

Cyan~Fire - Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:01 am
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@Cerium: No, I'm not missing the point. I said that I don't know much about TWCore and therefore cannot compare the two. (Anyway, I don't think people who aren't skilled enough to use ASSS should code period, they'll just make bad code.)

@Hellz: Are you sure you actually tried ASSS? It doesn't really sound like it to me...

1. OK, I'll admit this is slightly trickier than subgame just because ASSS doesn't, by default, use a biller. Add yourself to staff.conf, and then, in game, use ?passwd to set your current password so ASSS can actually verify you.

2. Did you read the manual? Settings in ASSS are laid out in per-arena directories in the "arena" subdirectory. Just edit arena.conf in the desired arena. (It uses the same settings as subgame with the exception of some [Misc] and [Flag], if I recall correctly.)

3. You're right, they do more.

hellzlaker - Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:00 pm
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lol cean i take my words bak lol, i found the file shipwarbird.conf and its just as ez to edit ship settings lol

then i did the passwd thing and now it worked as soon as i enter game im already a sysop, i like this thing beter cuz gets anoying typing *1231321

the bots, for now im gona put bots in my asss zone and when more modules comeout ill replace them

things on top restore=asss =D

the only hard part is how you put lvz in asss

Dr Brain - Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:51 pm
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As a sysop, ASSS being more complicated is not an excuse. It would be for the average player, but people running zones should be competent . If you can't figure ASSS out, then you shouldn't be developing bots.

BDwinsAlt - Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:47 am
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Live isn't the dev guy, he's just having fun playing with bots. Bare with him, he's a newb. (No offense)

Good luck with your bots. If you need any help you know where I stay.

To The Hellz guy: ASSS can do what merv does and more. I've seen some of what ASSS can do that Merv could never do. It's so much easier to do things when it's server-side after you figure everything out.

Practice will help you. Follow the guide and play around with it. Code a few modules. Since you don't seem like a really in depth ASSS guy you probably don't know how to compile C modules for AS3. So since python doesn't have to be compiled, try some of these.

http://wiki.minegoboom.com/index.php/Writing_Modules_In_Python

That will help you with python.

Code: Show/Hide

from asss import *

chat = get_interface(I_CHAT)

def c_hello(cmd, params, p, targ):
chat.SendMessage(p, "Hello, " + p.name + ".") //There are better ways to do this.

cmd1 = add_command("hello", c_hello)

I wrote this quickly since I'm about to go to school, if you see any errors please correct me.