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Trash Talk - Firefox 2.0

Agurus - Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:02 pm
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Well looks like they out did IE again, built in spell checker

Mine GO BOOM - Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:19 pm
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I'm assuming you never played with the release clients?

The Apache - Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:16 am
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it doesn't seem any different to me.

Doc Flabby - Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:34 am
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the anti phishing is impressive.

Mine GO BOOM - Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:51 am
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Doc Flabby wrote:

the anti phishing is impressive.

Can't figure out why that is. Anyways, Firefox's method is very nice, as it downloads a local copy to check and doesn't send URLs to anyone. You can go into options and have it check Google for sites if you want, but it is by default set to only compare against a local copy of a list it downloads every so often. This is in Google's toolbar, which works on both Firefox and IE, so anyone can use it.

IE7 also does this too. Their method is more of a white-list type approach. (source)

Tariq Sharif, a Program Manager on the IE Security team wrote:

What information is sent to Microsoft for checking a website

Phishing Filter does not check every URL on the Microsoft server. It only sends those which are not on a known list of OK sites or those that appear suspicious based on heuristics. If an URL is checked on the Microsoft server, first the URL is stripped down to the path to help remove personal information, then the remaining URL is sent over a secure SSL connection. The communication with the Microsoft server is done asynchronously so that there is little to no effect on your browsing experience.

So, for example, if you were to visit http://www.msn.com, nothing will be checked on the Microsoft server because "msn.com" and other major websites are on the client-side list of OK sites. However, letâ€™s say the URL looked like this: http://207.68.172.246/result.aspx?u=Tariq&p=Tariqâ€™sPassword, in this scenario phishing filter will remove the query string to help protect my privacy but it will send "http://207.68.172.246/result.aspx" to be checked by the Microsoft Server because 207.68.172.246 is not on the allow list of OK sites. As it turns out, 207.68.172.246 is just the IP address of MSN.com server, so its not a phishing site but this example should help you understand more about how Phishing Filter checks sites on the server.

z.alpha+ - Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:42 pm
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the spell check is good enough for me to almost wet myself.

seems to run faster too, but most people probably wouldn't notice unless they really tax out their systems.

SamHughes - Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:03 pm
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It's nice because now it understands OS X's standard textbox keybindings.

BDwinsAlt - Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:45 pm
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I kind of miss my old themes and extensions, but this is pretty nice. I don't feel like going through all my old extensions and modifying them. I love the spell check though!

Mine GO BOOM - Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:46 pm
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BDwinsAlt wrote:

II don't feel like going through all my old extensions and modifying them.

I never do either. So, open up about:config and create a new key called extensions.checkCompatibility and set it to false. Never be bothered by "unsupported" messages again.

Didn't test on Firefox 2 yet, but should work.

BDwinsAlt - Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:14 am
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I looked all over for that in FireFox2. I didn't see it. Maybe there is another easy way to 'rig' it.

Edit: You basically create that in about:config to make it work, I see now.
I speed-read through your post, sorry.

Quan Chi2 - Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:56 pm
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FF 2 doesn't seem faster at all. At the beginning it did, but that was just my mind.

CypherJF - Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:44 pm
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I noticed it's a bit speeder for me because I don't need as many extensions as before (ex: tab features).

Animate Dreams - Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:29 am
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I started using Maxthon, because I've actually seen it use less resources than IE6. And that's amazing. Plus, Maxthon has a whole plethora of features that I actually will use(I never used ANYTHING on FF, though I used quite a few on Opera), the only one that's missing is an X button on the individual tabs. I think I found a way to add that, I was just too lazy to do it.

Cyan~Fire - Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:56 am
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Bah, Maxthon is just another one of those IE-based things. You're just using IE with some extra features loaded, I doubt it actually uses less resources.

Animate Dreams - Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:37 am
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Oh, I would doubt any browser's claim to use less resources than IE. But when I have 5 IE windows open, and 5 tabs in Maxthon open, sometimes Maxthon will be using less. Sometimes IE will. It really doesn't make much sense, and it's quite likely incorrect. But I've gotta say, that's my favorite thing about Maxthon, is that is pretty much is IE. It uses a lot of the same config files and reads and stores favorites in the same places, etc. Still, though, I use it for different things than I use IE for. Maybe if Maxthon and Opera were to come together and create a lightweight browser with lots of features, based off of IE, and a streamlined design, I would permanently switch. But, I really don't see it coming.

The Apache - Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:15 pm
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Cyan~Fire wrote:

Bah, Maxthon is just another one of those IE-based things. You're just using IE with some extra features loaded, I doubt it actually uses less resources.

i hate IE-based browsers.

Animate Dreams - Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:12 pm
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I have to admit, I don't understand why you'd want a spellchecker in a browser at all. What's it for, spellchecking your posts in forums? I mean, I doubt many people would like to quickly be able to point out all the spelling errors in a webpage. But aside from not needing a spell checker, I've always assumed people that spelled badly did so because they were apathetic about it. Now, though, FF fanboys are popping up everywhere acting like everyone's been pining for a spellchecker for years. Seriously...wtf?

CypherJF - Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:00 pm
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forums, blogs, e-mail, chat rooms, hm everywhere.

Mine GO BOOM - Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:06 pm
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Ever submit reports via a web browser? Most corporate users have to. Ticket requests for your server? Support questions to companies? Making an eBay auction?

You should have seen some of the emails I got back when I still allowed email support for Server Help. Half the battle was trying to figure out what they are even talking about, let alone try and get more out of them than "it doesn't work." Computers can do spell checking very easily, why not add it? Just an unobtrusive red dotted underline for words that are not in the dictionary. I used to have spell checking in these forums until a bunch of security updates changed things around too much that the old mod didn't work and I was too lazy to edit it to work again.

Animate Dreams - Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:07 pm
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Ah, I suppose. But for most people on these forums, since so many people here aspire to be great programmers with great jobs or things of that sort, I'd think you'd want to fix the problem, not cover it up. I mean, few companies will hand out spelling tests as part of the application, but from my own experiences working at Verizon Wireless($$), bad spelling is only tolerated to a certain extent. For example, if you were working on something official that had to be presented, and your work consistently had to be checked, you'd be reprimanded, or the project may be taken from you. More often, though, it would just piss people off... I mean, sometimes e-mails that were sent out were hardly readable, and people just don't have time for that.

Who knows, though, maybe a spell checker will actually help people learn, if they have the mind for it.

z.alpha+ - Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:13 pm
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my spelling is horrible.

god bless the almighty computer.

Cerium - Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:29 pm
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Meh...

It seems to me that spell checkers are for people who are unwilling to learn. They don't make a note to remember/learn how to spell something, because the spell checker will take care of it for them.

I guess for most people it tends not to matter, but if your job requires you to write to others on a regular basis, you probably should be able to write most of your document without the need of a spelling or grammar assistant.

Also, FYI: I don't use spell checkers and my spelling and grammer skillz are some of the best I've seen on all of the internets I visit.

Animate Dreams - Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:55 am
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I don't use a spellchecker either, and I also don't know many people with better grammar than I(normally I'd say "me" just because it's more natural, but considering the subject of the sentence, I figured I'd do it right). That aside, I think some people just don't happen to know how to spell things right, and this may help them. I'm pretty sure the only reason I know how to spell so well is because I read a ton of books, and have seen it done the right way over and over. I'm thinking back to some of Dr Brain's old posts on MGB forums, and seeing if I can figure out what happened to make him learn to spell, but I don't quite understand. Jeez, it's hard to believe, too, that was really Brain?

Dr Brain - Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:13 am
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I have a desire to better myself. That's all that's needed.

Mine GO BOOM - Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:06 am
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Cerium wrote:

... my spelling and grammer skillz are some of the best I've seen on all of the internets I visit.

That's some goods grammer skillz yous gots.

The Apache - Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:39 am
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Mine GO BOOM wrote:

[..]

That's some goods grammer skillz yous gots.

please tell me you didn't notice the sarcasm.

Cerium - Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:39 pm
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Goddamnit...

As much as I'd like to say it was part of the other intentional mispellings, it wasn't.

Mine GO BOOM - Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:10 pm
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Cerium wrote:

As much as I'd like to say it was part of the other intentional mispellings, it wasn't.

And those unintentional misspellings is why a spell checker is nice. Sometimes your fingers go to places on the keyboard you don't really want to, so you hit the wrong key. We reading over your own writing, you rarely notice misspellings because your mind corrects your own mistakes.

It is a computer. Checking rules is what they do. Having them create rules is a bit tougher.

Cerium - Sat Nov 04, 2006 12:12 am
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It's still a convenience tool which in general makes people lazy. In this case, I've made a mental note to check for that mistake in the future and as a result it's unlikely I will misspell it again.
Infact, more often than not I've found spell checkers just slow me down as they only catch abbreviations, acronyms or last names.

It's not that I think they're worthless -- they definitely have a place in computing -- but when we start adding them to every application that has a text box, all we're going to do is assist people in becoming ignorant and lazy. How many people these days do you think will actually care about a correction such as the one you pointed out for me (or the other one Blocks pointed out a couple months back [inhalation])? It really bothers me when people write statements like "If I cared I would use spell check" rather than acknowledging/admitting they fucked up.

Edit:
Then again, even with a spell checker some people still can't get the shit right.

Edit #2:
This is slightly off topic but whatever. My original search also yielded this and I was slightly worried that I hadn't properly flamed him for it until I got to the end.
I know it's lame to laugh at your own jokes but, come on. That was a gem.