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Protoman - Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:56 pm
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What language is subspace coded in?

Mine GO BOOM - Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:25 am
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C++ for the game code. I don't know the menu code, but I'm pretty sure its C as thats how Ekted likes it.

SpecShip - Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:53 am
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^ That's for continuum.
The VIE SubSpace client was entirely MS visual studio C++.

Chambahs - Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:49 am
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I thought some of the stuff in continuum was in asm?

Cyan~Fire - Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:08 am
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It's possible Priit directly ripped some stuff. But nobody knows.

Dr Brain - Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:45 am
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PriitK> Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead.

Quan Chi2 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:46 pm
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Cerium - Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:48 pm
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Shut up, stupid.

Protoman - Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:37 pm
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It would be killer to have a zoom.

Like, make it appear, even if ones maximum resoulution was 1024x768 to make it look like they were using 1600x1200 by zooming out of the game. Or , zooming out from the maximum resolution of what is it? 2000 Something by 1600? Or if you are crazy enough , Zoom out all together to see the whole map and little ants scurrying across the screen fireing salt pebbles and chunks.

CypherJF - Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:04 pm
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I think the next client should be similar to Cosmic Rift in it's capability of zooming, auto-spawn turrets, meterioid showers, traiding posts, converting metal to cash or w/e.

BDwinsAlt - Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:14 pm
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The next client needs to be very different but the same in many ways. More features, better quality, better graphics. One day If we can get an updated client continuum will rise. But if we keep delaying it more and more people will quit until there is no one left. Maybe hombing missles or something.

Yoink - Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:43 pm
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Is this turning into a "Bak, note this when you develop Discretion..." thread?

Because if so, it should be so that you reg. your user account, but aliases themselves are not registered.

BDwinsAlt - Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:59 am
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I didn't really understand that last post, but maybe make it so you have to activte your ss account by email when it's first created. It would be easier to alias and it would stop a bunch of noobs who constantly change thier name.

Doc Flabby - Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:46 am
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for a pretty zoom, the ship models would need to be in 3d.

3d ships models and other objects. while keeping 2d perspective (top down) would make this game look visully alot more impressive.

Yoink - Sat Jun 24, 2006 11:51 am
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BDwinsAlt wrote:

IF you constantly change your name you're not going to be anybody. I don't think aliases should be a commodity.

Doc Flabby - Sat Jun 24, 2006 11:55 am
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i think aliases are a good thing. sometimes i just want to play and not be bothered by anyone.

SpecShip - Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:49 pm
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Not really.
Infact, from experience they'll just look worse.
Take Warcraft3 for example.
Or FPSes.
All you get from "3D" games is some crappy blocks wrapped by polygons...blah.
I prefer a top-down perspective RENDERING of a textured 3D model.
Because you can then take this like a simple bmp or something and put it in the game to play with (like Infantry and SubSpace were made).
So you still get a nice looking high quality GFX.

Sercit - Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:33 pm
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You're joking right? Sure if they aren't done properly, the graphics will look like shit, but we aren't looking at stellar graphics with SS as it is.

SpecShip - Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:33 am
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Juan's work is always stellar.

CypherJF - Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:53 am
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I have to agree, I've always liked Juan's work in any game he's been on.

OutlawGene - Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:20 pm
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Three can keep a secret if two are dead... Hmm that may be true but this is still an old skool game. This sounds similar to the stupid korean who sat in front of his game system for 48 hours and died. So why do we worship prittk again? Oh because we have no motivation and lack neccessary confidence? We can't be as intelligent? I think as long as you don't make excuses for the task you have your head start. I tell my bro to learn whatever he can possible for his Gaming Career but no he won't listen but then I tell him this is your career. I leave out the dumbass.

Can't memorize the c++ book practice each page 20 times. Then code your own game as long as it's oldskool it's cool.

Chambahs - Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:23 pm
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Outlaw, nobody worships priitk, and the only reason why people need him, is because he has the source code for continuum.

Cyan~Fire - Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:17 pm
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He has a point.

SpecShip - Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:31 am
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"We"

Who are these we people you refer to?
I never needed nor worshipped Priit and never will.

SuSE - Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:56 am
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Chambahs wrote:

he has the source code for continuum.

Assumption

Doc Flabby - Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:08 pm
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i can view continuum's source in assembly - dont think that counts though....

SpecShip - Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:50 pm
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No.

Protoman - Wed Jun 28, 2006 3:03 pm
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A few questions now.

-Where does Priit live.
-What Street.
-What house #.
-Does he keep the source code on his computer.

SpecShip - Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:55 pm
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Estonia
Tallinn 10151
Ahtri 12
Maybe

You know flabby, IF:
1. You were well versed in SubSpace gameplay/settings.
2. You had expertese in assembly and C++.
3. You possed good understanding and experience with the MS Dx SDK.
You could essentially take the disassembly of continuum and use it as a guide (in somewhat the sense of a psuedo code) to (re)creating the client.

But you aren't, so....there.

Priit ain't the best coder in the world, and probably isn't really THAT good either.
But the fucker's very intelligent and a fast learner and had quite a bit of experience through his years.
So you've got a lot of catching up to do, so to speak, if you want to be any serious about this.

Protoman - Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:18 pm
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I would never dream of being a programmer. Im all about making game models.

SpecShip - Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:46 pm
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By models do you mean graphics, or physical models or social models or what?

Bak - Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:51 am
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physical models, obviously

SpecShip - Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:47 am
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I was never into that much.
Except the models I've made with LEGO(tm).
But there's a whole slew of these, starting from the early D&D miniature days, where it was considered respectful to come to a game with your very own custom made&painted character model.

Doc Flabby - Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:17 am
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SpecShip wrote:

You know flabby, IF:
1. You were well versed in SubSpace gameplay/settings.
2. You had expertese in assembly and C++.
3. You possed good understanding and experience with the MS Dx SDK.
You could essentially take the disassembly of continuum and use it as a guide (in somewhat the sense of a psuedo code) to (re)creating the client.

But you aren't, so....there.

true.

Except i would need to know opengl as well, i would want to make it crossplatform....

Cerium - Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:59 am
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What about Vista?

SpecShip - Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:21 am
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I think that with our current PCs, if you run vista you can't even run priit's client.
And to think Jeff's client could run on win95-retarded with a backwatered 486.

They have to make Halo 3 to sell Vista.
But how would they pitch us the $5000 upgrade cost to a new PC hardware (starting with 2Gig DDR2 chips)?

Doc Flabby - Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:55 am
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vista is going to flop.

why? Well its going to have WGA pimped edition.

Piracy is whats enabled windows to be sucessful. I think the ration of legal to illegal copies of windows is something like 10:1
Because it was so easy to copy it gained widespread use and it has stayed competatic with linux as it is essencially free. WGA is a pain in the ass in XP but at least its faily easy to disable, or you can use 2000

.
In vista DRM and WGA are going to be built in.

dos ->- 3.11 -> win95 -> 2000/XP

you can see the real difference between those OS

how is vista > 2000/xp from what iv've seen so far its a step back...

Cerium - Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:44 pm
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I dont care about the DRM whines, or any of the other anti-ms fanboy nonsense. Its not going to be the epidemic you make it out to be.
I was refering to Open GL, and how it will be missing from/crippled in Vista by default.

It seems if developers want to capture the average nex-gen windows user, theyll be tied to dx10.

Doc Flabby - Sat Jul 01, 2006 6:43 am
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dont get me wrong i dont hate ms, I have used windows all my life.
Linux is a crap desktop windows owns it ez. Office owns open office ez.

i just dont like what they are doing now. they used to be about giving you control of your computer, and creating innovative programs. They seem to have been taken over by MSDN

OpenGL is not going to be any more crippled on Vista than it is at the moment on xp. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q285912/

The graphics card manufactor will provide replacement opengl drivers with the card. (which happens at the moment anyway). Alot of business related apps use OpenGl for graphics work such as AutoCAD...

Maverick - Sat Jul 01, 2006 6:45 am
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Doc Flabby wrote:

dont get me wrong i dont hate ms, I have used windows all my life.
Linux is a crap desktop windows owns it ez. Office owns open office ez

If you haven't ever used linux, how can you even judge about it?

Doc Flabby - Sat Jul 01, 2006 7:55 am
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i have used it, i never said i havn't, i've used windows more tho. i was being accused of being anti-ms, which i am not. , I have a duel boot laptop with linux, i've got continuum toi run on wine

My vps server runs linux.

Linux is good in the server enviroment. Far supieror to windows imho. Server configuration and trying to secure windows as a server is horrible.

However as a desktop (i've tried KDE and gnome) it sucks compared to Mac OS and Windows.
One feature that is badly lacking is a global clipboard. not being able to copy and paste between programs is annoying. Another problem installing programs has to be done from the command line. On windows you just double click. There is alot of work left to do to make linux as a desktop catch up with windows desktop. Oh and installing linux on my laptop took half a day, and some buttons dont work properly. Windows took a couple of hours, and it just worked.

If it was better more people would switch, the crappy UI and lack of user friendlyness is the main thing stopping people taking up linux on the desktop.

CypherJF - Sat Jul 01, 2006 10:38 am
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*yawn* sounds like a meh distro. I've installed Fedora Core 5 without any of those problems. Took maybe an hour, the same as Windows. There is a clipboard program, I forget what it's called off the top of my head but it sits next to the clock and records the last 5-10 (user-set) last things you copied so you can copy more and re-use them easier. As far as GUI installers, I know FC5 has made a GUI interface to yum but it appeared to be really slow, but you're right, most of the time it's console work, but it's not that hard. Some thing's you can install via the GUI through the package manager(s) like Apache, Eclipse, etc. etc.

There again what I'm talking about is a specific distro, I don't know what you use, and when you used it?

Mine GO BOOM - Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:23 am
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Doc Flabby wrote:

One feature that is badly lacking is a global clipboard. not being able to copy and paste between programs is annoying. Another problem installing programs has to be done from the command line. On windows you just double click. There is alot of work left to do to make linux as a desktop catch up with windows desktop. Oh and installing linux on my laptop took half a day, and some buttons dont work properly. Windows took a couple of hours, and it just worked.

If it was better more people would switch, the crappy UI and lack of user friendlyness is the main thing stopping people taking up linux on the desktop.

What distro did you even attempt? Installing programs on Windows is actually much more difficult than most Linux/BSD distros have been in the past three years. Hell, you don't even need to know what program you want, you can search for descriptions, browse the list, and install almost everything you want without a much of a hassle at all.

Since it sounds like you are anti-non-microsoft, I'd recommend giving the easiest and most user friendly of all the big name distros a try, Ubuntu. And if Gnome/KDE isn't what you like, Xfce is great if you spend the ten minutes getting used to it.

Chambahs - Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:27 am
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What does any of this have to do with subspace code?

SpecShip - Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:41 am
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Nix is a good workstation/administration terminal OS.
Windows is a good all around (Word/Excel/Autocad/Photoshop/MSVS C++/gaming/etc.) OS.

Bak - Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:56 pm
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That's more of the software, than the OS itself. They both seem to do a fine job.

SpecShip - Sat Jul 01, 2006 3:37 pm
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Well, yeah.
I probably didn't phrase it too well either.
What I meant to say is that Nix so to speak specializes in doing heavyduty tasks and allowing more potential use of its features for more advanced users than the regular joe who just bought his first PC.
While windows is an (so called) easy to operate OS that's working well for the casual user who just want to draw something, input some data, write some script or play some MMORPG.
Windows is jack of all trades, master of none.
Nix is very mastery in granting the operator a complete control and access from an administrative perspective, which windows tries for the most part to cover and shield.

Dr Brain - Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:02 pm
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You still have no idea what you are talking about, spec.

CypherJF - Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:06 pm
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Wow this topic quickly went off-topic, I'm now ignoring it.

Smong - Sat Jul 01, 2006 7:10 pm
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I'll try and get it back ontopic...

Isn't it about time someone went through the disassembly of subspace.exe and once and for all got the power ball physics documented in everyday english?

SpecShip - Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:03 am
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Just use an Amiga.

OutlawGene - Sun Jul 02, 2006 2:57 pm
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You guys should study up on a few subjects and learn that because continuum is copied and edited it has to give it's source and edits in public.

SpecShip - Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:00 pm
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Who's this newbie and WTF is he rambling on?

Contempt+ - Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:02 pm
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Dunno, but I think the same about you.

SpecShip - Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:04 pm
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Except that I'm vettier than you, smarter than you, more knowledgeable than you, posses higher skill and am older than you.

<3

Bak - Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:57 pm
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That's not very nice SpecShip.

The ball physics are a spawn of Satan; I suspect attempting to retreive them will drive any man mad.

SpecShip - Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:02 pm
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Heh.
You should see the kind of physics we have.
I think it's much more intense.

Plareplane - Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:19 am
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Typing from a Ubuntu Dapper setup here:

mplayer didn't work (playback was broken on my computer until I compiled from source)
azureus didn't work (version that came with dapper is broken, cvs version is good)
nvidia drivers still don't work well (they work, but to enable tv out or dual screen or just to set your default resolution you have to muck around in xorg.conf (and my gdm is still broken wrt to resolution!))
wine didn't work (need to move/remove winearts.drv.so which was crashing winecfg when clicking on audio tab)

totem / rhythmbox (defaults on dapper) are pretty worthless compared to media player classic / foobar2000, but that might be a bit subjective. mplayer is very functional, but it's marred by a terrible interface.

(edit: actually, i take back what i said about totem. it's almost fine for playing videos, except it doesn't do as many codecs as mplayer because of whatever legal issues)

I haven't found a good music player yet, so if you can give me some recommendations, that'd be nice. (suggestions for xmms, bmp, juk, and amarok will be ignored. specifically, i'm looking for something that doesn't "manage my music library", that doesn't have some terrible gtk1 ui, and that supports generic metadata editting/masstagging (like foobar does))

Of course, I typed that just to spite you, and not because I'm particularly fond of Windows. I don't agree that installing programs on Windows is much more difficult than on most Linux/BSD distros (...are we talking user apps where you click on a .exe and press ok a few times?), but I'll agree that having a central repository is more convenient than googling for everything, as long as what you're looking for is packaged.

Mine GO BOOM wrote:

[..]

What distro did you even attempt? Installing programs on Windows is actually much more difficult than most Linux/BSD distros have been in the past three years. Hell, you don't even need to know what program you want, you can search for descriptions, browse the list, and install almost everything you want without a much of a hassle at all.

Since it sounds like you are anti-non-microsoft, I'd recommend giving the easiest and most user friendly of all the big name distros a try, Ubuntu. And if Gnome/KDE isn't what you like, Xfce is great if you spend the ten minutes getting used to it.