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Confess - Thu Nov 25, 2004 3:45 am
Post subject: ICN Billing

ICN Billing is now open to the public. ICN is being hosted on a t1 line thanks to 7<IllerII. If you would like to have your zone/server put on the network please post here or use another form.

AIM-confess321
Yahoo-confess321
MSN-confess321@hotmail.com
ICQ-281980935
Email-confess321@yahoo.com

I ask that if you have your zone/server on the biller that you make your hosting name something to the lines of "<Letter>CN"
Such as "PCN". Although it is not required, it is just another way of getting rid of the SS<Letter> factor. I simply "ask" that you use it.
The biller was just put up tonight, and there are still updates that need to be made to the biller.

Biller compliments of tehsu.

MS-DOS - Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:44 am
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Nice, what advantages does it have?

Anonymous - Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:58 am
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Spammed message removed -MGB

Agurus - Thu Nov 25, 2004 1:13 pm
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Stop spamming AG

Purge - Thu Nov 25, 2004 1:16 pm
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I'm confused...

People signing in as guests under other people's names is just stupid.

SideBurn - Thu Nov 25, 2004 1:31 pm
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there is no advantages, ppl like there own billing so i doubt theres not much point at all to ICN

Anonymous - Thu Nov 25, 2004 1:52 pm
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Spammed message removed -MGB

Confess - Thu Nov 25, 2004 1:53 pm
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I am wanting to create a massive biller, on which a lot of servers would connect to. This way we can all be connected in one way or another.

Wouldnt it be cool if we all were connected to the same biller?

Anyone who connects to the biller will recieve Netop lvl 1,second highest, unless i see a problem with people having netop. I will only give out netop to people who are trusted in the SS community. If you are not trusted, or are new, you will be given groupop lvl 1.

The advantages of being on my biller are that we will be a stable, reliable biller. There will be updates as soon as security threats are issue, along with updates when new features are added. Take for exable, right now, tehsu is working on the ?bnews and ?bstaff. Along with some other stuff. As soon as the final is released, we will be updating the biller.

Confess - Thu Nov 25, 2004 2:26 pm
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Here is a list of things that is apart of Billing service SSI and us.

SSI Billing Commands - GroupOp
Operator Commands
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LEVEL 1:
addzone, removezone, listzone, changezone
recyclezone, ghost, broadcast
LEVEL 2:
**message, bantext, info
LEVEL 3:
addop, removeop, alias
LEVEL 4:
lpassword, logout, listop, ban, listban
liftban, bancomment, ban-notify
banfree, listbanfree, liftbanfree

User Commands
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SQUAD:
squad, squadowner, squadcreate, squadjoin
squadleave, squadonline, squadlist
squadownlist
CHAT:
chat, notifychat, c-grant, c-welcome, c-plist
c-allow, c-revoke, c-release, c-own, c-list
c-kick, c-needp
MESSAGING:
message, messages, read, delete, clearall
BASIC COMMANDS:
login, version, password, bzones, coin
bstaff, seen, find, man, subman
news, binfo, sex, poem

[Hit ESC To Read Entire List. Type ?man <command> For More Info.]

SSI has lost there source codes, therefore they cannot edit ANYTHING on the server, unlike them, we can. Therefore we will continue to update the biller, and make it better. ICN billing wants to maintain a family like environment. If you have a problem, or a suggestion, we are here to help. It is not hard to get on our billing service, simply ask one of the staff members and we will put you on the network.
SSI will only give you groupop lvl 1 billing, but we are going to try and give you netop lvl 1 in hopes that you will help maintain the biller and make it better. Because you are a netop, if you abuse, we will have to either demote you, or remove you from the biller.

ICN Billing -Netop lvl 1 - Currently adding more features and commands

LEVEL 1:
resetscore, addzone, listzone, removezone
recyclezone, changezone, closezone
LEVEL 2:
alias, bantext, broadcast, extchat
notifyzone, groupid, scoreid
LEVEL 3:
addop, removeop, info, banfree
listbanfree, liftbanfree
LEVEL 4:
warn, kick, bpassword, listop, ban, listban
liftban, commentban, notifyban, logout

User Commands
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CHAT:
chat, notifychat
SQUAD OWNER COMMANDS:
squaddissolve, squadpassword, squadkick
squadgrant, squadname
SQUAD COMMANDS:
squadcreate, squadjoin, squadlist, squadleave
squadowner, squadonline, squadownlist, squad
MESSAGING COMMANDS:
msgclear, msglist, msgview, message, msgdel
OTHER COMMANDS:
login, version, top10, whois, coin, password
details, setemail, setname, seen, find, bzones
buptime
(Press ESC to view the entire page. ?man <command> returns detailed info)

I hope you will choose us over SSI or other billers. Please, if you have any suggestions or concerns, dont feel threatened to give them to me. I will take them into deep consideration, and then try and get them implemented.

MS-DOS - Thu Nov 25, 2004 3:34 pm
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Very same same as other billers online.
But all your commands are the same as on SSI or Versetti´s. TeHsU never made a biller and he as no idea what he is doing. But thats me, and maybe other programmers will tell you the same....

Well unless we join forces, up to you.

SuSE - Thu Nov 25, 2004 3:50 pm
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afaik SSI is still open for doing a ton of Billing hosting

the only thing they're missing (atm) is easy access to scores (for putting on sites, etc)

Confess - Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:02 pm
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Tehsu has been very helpfull to me, and he knows exactly what he is doing. He has added many things to the biller for me, including things that ver was to lazy to do himself.

TB999, you are welcome to join our biller. I will give you netop lvl 1 Because i know that you can be trusted.

As ive been telling other people, atleast let your zones decide whether they want the biller you are on, Or the ICN biller.

MS-DOS - Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:52 pm
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Nice to know. Ask him or yourself to contact me, and I give more features that I have almost done.

1stStrike - Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:13 pm
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Quote:

SSI will only give you groupop lvl 1 billing, but we are going to try and give you netop lvl 1 in hopes that you will help maintain the biller and make it better. Because you are a netop, if you abuse, we will have to either demote you, or remove you from the biller.

Actually, on SSI you only get lvl 2 op if you have a zone and lvl 1 group op if you have a server. To get lvl 1 op in a zone you have to be trusted, have a steady population, etc. We don't give everyone lvl 1 netop for good reason. People cannot be trusted, and most do not deserve it. Once everyone has netop it doesn't take long before the abuse starts. Why give them the opportunity to abuse? You're just asking for trouble.

But, we don't push the biller or try to sound as if we're better than anyone else. SSC is and will be the dominate biller for a very long time, and starting another biller won't help any. You'd be better off hosting a server for some other game rather than wasting time on subspace.

CypherJF - Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:59 pm
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I don't think SSC is the dominate biller, other than the respect to number of players that are on it. SSN er, Maucaub's biller is by far, the best biller software that I've seen/used. Catid's is alright; but SSC's is severly outdated.

1stStrike - Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:05 pm
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Just like you said; SSC has the most players. It has the most zones and all of the higher quality zones are on it. Not saying that all the zones on SSC are high quality, but you get what I mean.

The other billers, though having more features in comparison to SSC have much less zones and players. Therefore, they will never rise up to be a real competitor to SSC. You can't really chat with other people in other zones since 90% of them are all on SSC.

Confess - Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:21 pm
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Look, im wanting to maintain a respectable, family biller that rivals or surpasses the SSC biller. If you want to help my, I ask that you join ICN. The zone owners will not recieve netop, and yet they will not recieve zone op. They will recieve groupop in hopes that they will also help the biller grow. As I said, as soon as i see the slightest bit of abuse, i simply demote or remove them. Its up to you whether you want to keep your biller spot.

The server owners will recieve netop, and we possibly will ask them that they stay on a certain group, and then give the zone owners access to that group.

If you are not going to connect your server to ICN, atleast let your zones have a choice of connecting to the default biller, or the ICN biller. If you do so i will give you groupop or netop <i have not decided yet, it may depend on the person> this way you can manage/add zones.

Edit-
One thing i was wanting to do, if the program actually works out, and we are able to unite the servers/zones was talk to the council and see if we could make the biller an "Official Non SSC Biller" in which the little "Warning this zone is not connected to the central database" message would go away. And possibly, we could somehow make it so people could talk in between the billers. Possibly a command such as ?billerswitch -t=msg:<name>:<message>

Cyan~Fire - Thu Nov 25, 2004 9:10 pm
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Not to be discouraging, but presenting a biller that is the same as, say, Catid's but with the added possibility of abuse is not all that encouraging. Server owners (like me) don't want to switch when there's no outrageous advantage just because it's work. And we don't like work. We especially don't want our zones spread all over the place in terms of billing, making it hard to establish a good control system. Sorry.

About your whole SSC thing:
Yes, SSC needs to be updated. However, they are, as 1st Strike said, the kings. Microsoft sucks, but people still use it. And I really doubt whether you'll convince Priit to bother modifying Continuum just for your biller. Why would he? It just gives him less control.

Confess - Thu Nov 25, 2004 9:51 pm
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Him making it "official" wouldnt have anything to do with altering continuum.

Cyan~Fire - Fri Nov 26, 2004 1:07 pm
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Unless you wanted to decrypt the special things the SSC biller sends to emulate them in yours, yes, Continuum would have to be modified.

SideBurn - Fri Nov 26, 2004 1:43 pm
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sounds like ssdt wont join, same as ssa, i doubt 1st would and i doubt ssz would, just give it up, its been tried and has always failed.

Confess - Fri Nov 26, 2004 4:31 pm
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No, it hasnt been tried before, therefore, it hasnt failed before.

Ive been posting on ssforum, read those. Those go more into detail because more people use that.

http://www.ssforum.net/index.php?showtopic=6154

So far ive been getting good reviews, even Platinum-Halo responded. The only people not giving good reviews, to be honest, is you sideburn.

If we can make ICN a good, popular thing, then im sure other billers would join. Sideburn, you do not control all of SSA, you dont even pay for any of it, therefore DONT make decisions for it. Its Top Gun.'s decision, NOT yours.

SideBurn - Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:21 pm
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well were using the exact same biller and still have no bans so i dont think we will be switching

Confess - Fri Nov 26, 2004 8:19 pm
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Its not about banning...Obviously you havnt been reading my post...Please, dont post unless you fully read and understand what im doing sideburn...If you have questions im willing to help you...But if you are just going to post non helpfull post...well...just dont post....

SideBurn - Fri Nov 26, 2004 9:34 pm
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i understand what your doing, im just telling you it wont work

Confess - Fri Nov 26, 2004 10:43 pm
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Well then why dont you try helping me so it will work? hmm?

Anonymous - Sat Nov 27, 2004 6:39 am
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Confess wrote:

as soon as i see the slightest bit of abuse, i simply demote or remove them

This doesn't sound fair.

Confess wrote:

The server owners will recieve netop, and we possibly will ask them that they stay on a certain group, and then give the zone owners access to that group.

Does every person who has an account on your biller go through a training program?

Confess wrote:

let your zones have a choice of connecting to the default biller, or the ICN biller

What default biller? Do you mean other networks hosting the zone and using ICN biller like 'SSxx Zone (ICN)'?

Confess wrote:

[if] we are able to unite the servers/zones was talk to the council and see if we could make the biller an "Official Non SSC Biller" in which the little "Warning this zone is not connected to the central database" message would go away

This sentence adds more in favour of this being a hoax.

Confess wrote:

I am wanting to create a massive biller

So you got backup servers and stuff? It seems most SS zones are hosted on slower/not so good connections as recent FPS games which can have 10x more network traffic.
Is this biller built from scratch by yourself or just another small hack of SOS/Catids biller?

Cyan~Fire - Sat Nov 27, 2004 12:32 pm
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Guest? If you're going to make an intelligent reply... in fact, any reply at all, please identify yourself.

Guest wrote:

This doesn't sound fair.

It's unfair to remove abusers?

Guest wrote:

What default biller? Do you mean other networks hosting the zone and using ICN biller like 'SSxx Zone (ICN)'?

Yes

Guest wrote:

It seems most SS zones are hosted on slower/not so good connections as recent FPS games which can have 10x more network traffic.

Maybe this is partly due to the fact that SS was made for dial-up modems.

Guest wrote:

Is this biller built from scratch by yourself or just another small hack of SOS/Catids biller?

If you read carefully, you would have seen that it was written from scratch by Tehsu. (The from scratch part was implied by the fact that it's missing features in the SOS version.

)

Smong - Sat Nov 27, 2004 1:59 pm
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It was me who made that post, I forgot to enter my name I was spending so much time copying bits of Confess's posts.

And I have spoken with tehsu and he didn't write the biller from scratch.

TeHsU - Sat Nov 27, 2004 2:11 pm
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I never wrote the biller.. It was catids.. I added a few commands.. changed some stuff around.. The code used isn't anyones.. but catids, and mine which i added.. I asked versetti for helped.. but never USED his code

CypherJF - Sat Nov 27, 2004 2:30 pm
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hm, okay that didn't make any sense, you said that it was catid's biller; however, "None of the code is anyones".... MmmMMmm makes no sense...

ICN Biller
By TeHsU
Based off of Catid's Biller, .11j or w/e

badda bing. right?

TeHsU - Sat Nov 27, 2004 4:21 pm
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correct

MS-DOS - Sat Nov 27, 2004 7:12 pm
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I am out this also....Sorry! Try to talk to them never said anything but okay be right back to you or busy doing something else...

Confess - Sat Nov 27, 2004 10:16 pm
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TheBest999 wrote:

I am out this also....Sorry! Try to talk to them never said anything but okay be right back to you or busy doing something else...

I started the biller on wensday? I talked to you on thursday? In case you didnt know, the days you were talking to me were very hectic. Thursday was thanksgiving....Friday was very buisy...and wensday i was very buisy...If you are drawing out because of this, then i do not want you on the server. Generally i am always on, welcome to answer questions. If you cannot understand this...then i say again....I dont want you on the server.

SideBurn - Sun Nov 28, 2004 5:38 am
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its not a server its a biller:P

Smong - Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:16 am
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Cyan~Fire wrote:

Guest wrote:

This doesn't sound fair.

It's unfair to remove abusers?

TheBest999 just got netbanned because Confess forgot to sign out of his messaging software when he was unavailable. That is unfair.

MS-DOS - Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:33 am
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Smong wrote:

[..]

TheBest999 just got netbanned because Confess forgot to sign out of his messaging software when he was unavailable. That is unfair.

Really netbanned

That is very abusing. I only try to help him out got back stabbed from behind.

1stStrike - Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:21 am
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Locked. This thread is going no where and has ended up in the endless cycle of trash talk.