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General Questions - TimeZoneBias

CypherJF - Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:14 pm
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What is this, and how does it come into play w/ the server/game itself?

-- if 2 people are logged into the server with the same IP, 2 different timezonebais', then does it just mean 2 different machines?

ExplodyThingy - Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:24 pm
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Time Zone Bias is where you are in the world. For example, -630 is somewhere in Australia, while 0 should be GMT.

If two people have the same IP, two TZBs, they are probably behind a NAT, two or more machines, 1 ip. Its not used with aliasing, but orientation, good for demographics controls.

NightHawk - Tue Feb 17, 2004 3:14 am
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actually it can be used in aliasing, as it can help differentiate people with the same machine id (although it's so trivial to change you couldn't use it for hard proof)

CypherJF - Thu Feb 19, 2004 1:05 am
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So, if i read this right:: most likely if they had the same IP at the same time like 2 users logged in, both had the same ip but different TimeZoneBias, they'd prob still be on the same network, just cause of the NAT?

Dr Brain - Thu Feb 19, 2004 9:40 am
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Usually they will have the same TZB, as they are in the same time zone.

CypherJF - Thu Feb 19, 2004 10:20 am
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but two people on the internet shouldn't have the same IP, correct?

Smong - Thu Feb 19, 2004 2:57 pm
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That's why there is IP v6, which uses 128bit addresses (some people have noticed we are going to run out of IP addresses to allocate).

CypherJF - Thu Feb 19, 2004 3:57 pm
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Yes yes, but if there are 2 people on the internet at the same time w/ the same IP .. doesn't that cause problem for identifying a user? o.O

CypherJF - Thu Feb 19, 2004 3:58 pm
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Oh yes and to make sure I didnt sound confused, I've heard the military has begun using it (the new IP system, for w/e reasons; and is still being developed for the Internet2 .. I forget the URL but Penn State was one of the partners of it...)

Dr Brain - Thu Feb 19, 2004 4:40 pm
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If two people on the internet are using the same IP, it's called normal.

If you are IDing a user only by his IP, you are making a mistake. Thats what usernames and passwords are for. And cookies in the case of webbrowsers.

Cyan~Fire - Thu Feb 19, 2004 6:31 pm
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Dr Brain wrote:

If two people on the internet are using the same IP, it's called normal.

Well yes, if they're behind a router, but if they're not, then yeah that's messed up.

ExplodyThingy - Thu Feb 19, 2004 8:36 pm
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NAT will make all the computers on a network share the same IP, as the outside world sees it.

Multiple computers with the same IP may be due to dynamic IP addresses.

ipv6 I believe is in use, Im not sure of the specifics, but I believe they present themselves as ipv4. Such as, they _can_ be 1023.1.1.1 (or whatever the hell is the size of ipv6) but are currently 255.1.1.1. Dont quote me on that sentence.

Mr Ekted - Thu Feb 19, 2004 9:09 pm
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IPv6 will allow for 2^128 or 340,282,366,920,938,500,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (340 undecillion) individually addressable devices. That's enough for each person to have an IP for each cell of their body. It is thought that basically every object on Earth will get an IP address. People, animals, appliances, cars, clothing, food, etc.

CypherJF - Thu Feb 19, 2004 10:51 pm
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Yea I've heard that statistic about how everything will get an IP address.. thats all I want for my birthday

*lol*

But okay::I'm not talking about username/password/cookies.. I'm talking about 2 users logged into the same zone, with the same IP but different TimeZoneBias' ...

So the question is...

Are they or are they not the same computers on the same network? Probability: Yes?...

Mine GO BOOM - Fri Feb 20, 2004 1:38 am
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Mr Ekted wrote:

Actually, they did an estimate, that every single atom in our solar system could have around 14 address or something like that. Maybe 4, I forget.
I give it till 2040 before they are so stupid, that we start to run out of addresses because they figured every small countries needed 1/200th of all the addressable space.

Fuzzjdc - Fri Feb 20, 2004 3:04 am
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i was told IPv6 would allow every square metre of the earth to have 1000 computers

Anonymous - Fri Feb 20, 2004 7:29 am
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Yea, if a two users have the same IP, but diferent other information, then its likely they are networked. If the TZBs are diferent, one if probably set wrong on the clock.