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FudLe Pucker - Mon Sep 29, 2003 5:00 pm
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I invented a new cool way to talk online! You just insert letter "i" into the beginning of the word. Priatty ciool eih? Now spread the word, so everyone can talk in Lit!

Cyan~Fire - Mon Sep 29, 2003 6:01 pm
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Liol.

Sercit - Mon Sep 29, 2003 6:26 pm
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Thats it. I try to be polite on this forum.. I try to present a nice and polite sense of being for everyone to view. This image ends now. L337 was not a langauge created by hackers... =\ Despite popular belief, L337 was created by 12 year old script kiddies that still believe 'handles' are cool. A hacker, is not someone that crashes or 'smites' others machines for the pure lovelust of it. A hacker is one that searches computer systems for the 'quest of knowledge' to know the truth that is hidden by 'the man'. A hacker is one that helps others, in this persuit of knowledge. Crackers (the blackhat hacker) are ones that crack systems to find this knowledge. They find creditcard numbers etc. Script Kiddies, are the kids that download scripts, which half the time they don't know what the hell they are doing, and use them to make themselves seem cool in the 'underground culture' they think exists. =\ As Stated in tuxedo.com.. If you don't have enough pride to put your own name to something, or its illegal and you can't put your name to it.. It's nothing worth doing. You should never need a handle. I use Sercit because this is my name I play on Subspace, and there is a big line between hacking... Cracking.. Phreaking.. and being a Script Kiddie. I'm not judgeing anyone.. But for christs sake.. call yourselves by what you are! D: I'm a newbie white hat, I hardly know shit. But, don't fall into the universal stereotypeing of hackers. =\

Dr Brain - Mon Sep 29, 2003 8:25 pm
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You must realize that the term hacker now means blackhat hackers. The term has changed, and there is nothing you can do about it. I personally don't like the change, but communication is only possible when you can get your ideas across, and that means you need to use the same vocabulary as everyone else.

BTW, L33T speak is for idiots.

FudLe Pucker - Mon Sep 29, 2003 8:32 pm
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whiat dio hiackers hiave tio dio with LiT??
87\/\/, 1337 15 c001, 8147c|-|!
If i woulda known l33t when i was 8, i woulda started a diary

Sercit - Mon Sep 29, 2003 8:38 pm
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Well, allegedly l337 was created by hackers! A secret underground language known only by the 'elite' hackers in subculture. Hence, l337, elite, notice the trend? =\ But, anyone with knowledge worth knowing, knows that the only hackers that use l337 are the ones makeing fun of it! the rest, are morons that should be drug out into the middle of the road and slaughtered like the moronic hordes of sheep they are.

Mine GO BOOM - Mon Sep 29, 2003 9:46 pm
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Sercit wrote:

Hence, l337, elite, notice the trend? =\ But, anyone with knowledge worth knowing, knows that the only hackers that use l337 are the ones makeing fun of it! the rest, are morons that should be drug out into the middle of the road and slaughtered like the moronic hordes of sheep they are. :evil:

I feel the same, just more about emote icons than just ways of typing. Do people really need to add extra text to stress how they feel? Or could they just place it into the context of their speech, getting their feeling across via words they say/type, not how the words are typed.

If you happened to have noticed, I do try to keep as close to gammer as I can. I attempt to have structure in my text, though it maybe wrong, but it looks normal at first glance. I don't try to have flashy gimmicks, which is probably why I have yet to actually apply the new theme to these forums. I like plain things. Hell, I even block HTML crap in e-mail, since it doesn't need to be there. Same with IM clients. I don't see the pretty images, I use Miranda and use the default of no emote icons.

Still waiting to find someone who I can talk to normally via an online chatting protocol.

Please note that the above isn't directed at you. Its directed at the fact that people find faults in others, but cannot see it in themselves. Just like you dislike how others think of the term hackers, or how they use numbers in place of letters, others can see the same in how you do things, such as using punctation to demonstrate your emotions.

Dr Brain - Mon Sep 29, 2003 9:59 pm
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I try to keep the grammer correct in my sentances, but I am too lasy to perfect it. (I'm kind of a run on person, myself)

Emoticons have their places, and fulfill their job well. That doesn't mean you have a

or a

in every sentance.

Helicon - Tue Sep 30, 2003 4:04 pm
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The current tally is:

Discourses: 2
Honest Pleas: 2
Erroneous Comments (terse):1
Erroneous Comments (inflammatory):1
Summaries:1

FudLe Pucker - Tue Sep 30, 2003 6:33 pm
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geez you guys, i didnt mean to start a FLAME WAR, i'm just having fun... just because a person likes 1337 or other crappy kiddy lingo doesnt mean you should stereotype him/her... it's just for fun, ffs..

btw Lit was invented for short phrases (like shiat the hell up! or nioob) not as an essay writing tool. In the noobiefying depths of trench wars anger means death, so you need to lighten up your language

Cyan~Fire - Tue Sep 30, 2003 7:39 pm
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Personally, I have a slight difference in feelings.
There used to be groups of 'elite' hackers (Legion of Doom, DPAC) that were pretty god-like in skill. But the pedastal that they stood on has been completely eliminating by the popularization of 'hacking'. I am totally in agreement with 'script kiddies'. It's much better to know nothing about computers than to think you do, and just use someone else's work. I am very interested in computer security, and I love Linux, so I got interested in www.hackerslab.org, which is basically a hack tutorial. It's quite fun, being all legal, and it's nice to know how to do the basic stuff by myself.

I also have no problem with l33t, but I definitely have a problem with people that use it to appear to be someone they aren't. L33t has grown into a recognition of a little computing skill, and that's why it annoys me when people who know nothing use it (I'm not talking about people here on this board). I also thought fudle's idea was pretty funny (but not if he's serious).

And, yes, I agree with Mine in the fact that specific and solid words are the best way to communicate your feelings. Not cussing, not shouting, not emoticons, not disrespect. But emoticons do have their place in casual chatting.

And, on a lighter note:

Mine GO BOOM wrote:

...I do try to keep as close to gammer as I can.

Dr Brain wrote:

...I try to keep the grammer correct in my sentances...

grammar

Cyan~Fire

Sercit - Tue Sep 30, 2003 8:01 pm
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[quote="FudLe Pucker"] geez you guys, i didnt mean to start a FLAME WAR, i'm just having fun... just because a person likes 1337 or other crappy kiddy lingo doesnt mean you should stereotype him/her... it's just for fun, ffs..

You see, thats the problem. Everyone has some lame 'language' they created that they think is cool! Well if your just changeing letters to numbers, or useing i's like they are a magic bean to be planted in all the words of the world, your not being creative. No. Your being like that little special ed kid who sits in the back of class banging his head into the desk screaming 'I'm a f*cking teapot!'

If you want to brag about a new language, don't expect to be welcomed with open arms. If it's just useing I's or numbers, it isn't new. It's been done for years now, in many different places. Now, if you make a sister language to Klingon, or Drow, or even Elven... Then you may brag. Til then, expect little to nil when it comes to mercy.

Now, I'm not flaming you. I'm just flaming your 'idea'.

Cyan~Fire - Tue Sep 30, 2003 8:04 pm
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Sercit wrote:

Your being like that little special ed kid who sits in the back of class banging his head into the desk screaming 'I'm a f*cking teapot!' ... Now, I'm not flaming you.

Lol. He's not committing a sin by having a little fun.
Huge contributions are not the only good thing is this world, a little humor does a lot too.

Sercit - Tue Sep 30, 2003 8:46 pm
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Yes, it was fun. It was fun before I had to sit through 5 years of little asswhipes not worth listening too speak these worthless langauges. Oh well, but your right a little harmless fun isn't a bad thing. As long as it doesn't annoy me.

Or, the rest of the world

'Less we forget, to stop the fad before it becomes over populated and annoying.. Remember the words of Zero Wing's 'Base', may they put fire in your soul. :-p

Mine GO BOOM - Tue Sep 30, 2003 9:12 pm
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Cyan~Fire wrote:

grammar ;-)

Never said I was any good at it, just that I attempt it. Damn, I really got to get the SpellCheck program working again.

Gravitron - Tue Sep 30, 2003 10:44 pm
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Leet was never 1337.
At most, it was used as a way of shorthand writing and to evade search engines from finding your warez sites, so only other members of the ring who knew what to search for could/would be able to find them.

Those who turned it onto a full crap ass wannabe language are bunch of kids trying to look cool, which they were not, nor was 1337 ever was, and at the most part, it just made the real people laugh at those who had used it.

To quote from a post of mine in another forum which I just spent 20 minutes searching for (just for you

Quote:

Use of 1337 speak had two reasons:
A. Hosts have bots that scan around for keywords, they had to be tricked lest your site would be found and consequentialy be shut down, yet you still needed to allow those who were in the know-in that you did want to enter to find your site.
B. Early on email services charged by size of message so like you now have ingenuitive(sp?) text messaging evolving on cell phones, 1337 speak saved on bytes in emails as it allowed you to express more in less characters, it was more fund-wise that way.

With the death of the BBS era by the evolution-revolution of apranet and coming of the WWW Inet. most of the hackers relocated onto IRC, but it is just not the same anymore.
With gifs, photoshop and now flash, ascii art has been forsakened, no more shortkeys to access areas... a tradition lost, a legacy burried.

warez d00d, keke, hail the courier!

At any rate, 1337 speak never was an actual speech.
Those who DID spoke 1337 non stop as if it was a fluat language were wannabees and now-a-days newbies who try to impress people as if they're vets (yet, again, vets do not speak 1337 unless they're real llamahs).
1337 speak was primarily used as said above, in small quantities, such as the notorius "war3z", it never was completly converted onto "\\/4/23$" or something.
It was the gamer community that sprung it out blowen onto something that it was not, or not meant to be.
So ussually when you encounter people who go 1!|<3 7|=|!5 or speak LiKe ThiS they are generaly little kids looking for attention thinking they're being cool doing it.

Does anyone have a spare 14400 modem and the terminate proggy?

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Sercit - Tue Sep 30, 2003 10:55 pm
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Yay, the truth shall set you free.

Helicon - Wed Oct 01, 2003 7:07 am
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or just make you nausious and obscure any faith you have in humanity...

Cyan~Fire - Wed Oct 01, 2003 5:56 pm
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Helicon wrote:

or just make you nausious and obscure any faith you have in humanity...

True that.

Sercit - Wed Oct 01, 2003 6:10 pm
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Again, in responce to Hel, I say: 'And the truth shall set you free.'

Helicon - Wed Oct 01, 2003 8:29 pm
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in programming we call this an "infinite loop"

"public void" comes to mind, though

SuSE - Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:06 pm
Post subject: Re: The brother of L33T LINGO

FudLe Pucker wrote:

I invented a new cool way to talk online! You just insert letter "i" into the beginning of the word. Priatty ciool eih? Now spread the word, so everyone can talk in Lit!

...the retarded brother of l33t lingo

Sercit - Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:07 pm
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And the truth shall... bleh, you know the routine by now.

Too recap, have the children learned anything new? Hmm, has the days when people put 'I's' and numbers in place of actual letters over? I think not. =\ Fads are like food poisoning, when you have it everything that you thought was gone soon comes back up. Yes, sadly it's true bell bottoms came back, so will L337.. it is just a matter of time. Damn it

Anonymous - Thu Oct 02, 2003 2:34 pm
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That was Deep..

L33tStealth - Thu Oct 02, 2003 2:35 pm
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4giot tio liog in

Knight Hawk - Thu Oct 02, 2003 2:38 pm
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Your A perfect Example l33tStealth.

FudLe Pucker - Thu Oct 02, 2003 5:12 pm
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hey i didnt even know leet had to do with hackers, and i never intended to seem like sum1 who im not... I just think its a cheesy fun way to talk.

Sercit - Sat Oct 04, 2003 5:10 am
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Well now! If you thought thatw as deep, think of this! Yes, we may have pride, we may have freedom, but these rights and liberties only go to the edge that is 'moral law' =\ Do we have to listen to the president? No. Do we have to follow the laws? No. But must we? Yes. Why? Because, over 68% of the land we know follows these laws, beliefs etc. Freedom of speech only goes as far as what you can say that DON'T piss off the majority of this mass. It's a cancerous mass, this 68%, but like any cancer we'll die if we simply cut it off. Freedom of speech, is no real freedom at all, take the child that decided it'd be cool to call himself a name that offended certain 'groups'. The forum on which this nic was registered and used was soon shutdown, and the kid arrested. Still, other cases revolve around the oppression of personal beliefs. African comics can mock, and say blatently racist remarks about other races, but when a 50 year old lardass says it, dear god! He's a card carrying member of the clan! Other cases speak of a woman cried oppression because she wanted to take her license picture with a cover over her face, as was her beliefs. She took this to court! and people rallied behind her! But, when a simple teacher wishes to post the ten commandments... Oh hell, you just opened up a can of worms that could result in the fact children might actualy think they're are conciquences in this world. They refused a man to teach theory, placed him in jail for wanting to teach such a perverse as 'Darwin's Theorys'. I don't know, I won't stand in front of anyone for wanting to talk as morons. But, you best believe i'm gunna point out how stupid you look to me, and the other 32%

SuSE - Sat Oct 04, 2003 3:44 pm
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dude... might I suggest [size=40].[/size] and [size=40],[/size] and using the ENTER key in the future

Cyan~Fire - Sat Oct 04, 2003 10:24 pm
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Lol, yeah Akai.

Wow this was a totally unrelated post but anyway...
Yeah, I agree with you on a lot of this stuff, and that's why I really want to get out of America. The whole world is a moral pit-hole right now, but America's definitely the bottom. It's quite sad how just no one cares about being right anymore.

Douglas Adams (Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy) wrote:

Now 2000 years after a man was nailed to a tree for saying we should be nice people...

And I totally agree. Why must nobody care anymore? Why does everybody feel they need to be the same as everyone else. Really, people who speak l33t are higher than the other people, at least they're different from the majority (although that might not be true soon.)

[jk]All the immoral/mean people in the world should just die. [/jk]

My happy views on the world

This kinda raises the question: 'Is ignorance bliss?'

FudLe Pucker - Sat Oct 04, 2003 10:31 pm
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can anyone define "ignorance" (my english is still not perfect

)

btw the world should explode

Cyan~Fire - Sat Oct 04, 2003 10:34 pm
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ignorance = inexperience, total not knowing

Knight Hawk - Mon Oct 06, 2003 3:00 pm
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Ignorance-\Ig"no*rance\, n. [F., fr. L. ignorantia.] 1. The condition of being ignorant; the want of knowledge in general, or in relation to a particular subject; the state of being uneducated or uninformed.

FudLe Pucker - Mon Oct 06, 2003 4:49 pm
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so ignorance means both "knowledge" and "unknowledge". thats gotta be the greatest oxymoron ever

Cyan~Fire - Mon Oct 06, 2003 5:44 pm
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Eh? Who said it meant knowledge? Read again.

Knight Hawk - Mon Oct 06, 2003 8:16 pm
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To make it short, Someone who is stupid and wants to be smarter.

FudLe Pucker - Tue Oct 07, 2003 4:14 pm
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ooh i c now. tx.

That renders a lot of phrases senseless. Like "he's so ignorant!" is not true, b/c i know for sure that person is dumb but he doesnt want to learn.

Cyan~Fire - Tue Oct 07, 2003 5:39 pm
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I think Knight's definition said it best with: 'the state of being uneducated or uninformed'.

Ignorant people don't necessarily want to learn, the 'want of knowledge' in the definition is just an old use of the word 'want', meaning 'lack of'.

Sercit - Wed Oct 08, 2003 4:57 pm
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Another form of ignorance, as we southern boys most commonly use it, is to act like you know what the hell your talking about, when you really don't know shit.

Helicon - Thu Oct 09, 2003 6:36 pm
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straight-shootin!!!

RAYfighter - Wed Oct 15, 2003 5:09 am
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FudLe Pucker wrote:

hey i didnt even know leet had to do with hackers, and i never intended to seem like sum1 who im not... I just think its a cheesy fun way to talk.

If you tend to believe that this is all cute and innocence kid just having fun with his toys, you can read this topic and maybe think again.
(you can also realize my oppinion in a reply there)

MineGoBoom said it for me, I could say. I love to read what educated british guys are writing on chat and at forums. My English is so poor that I may sound retarded sometimes, but I'm still trying. I really don't see the point of making myself sound like a dumb by writing in any kind of slang.

Also sorry for making this unrelated post even more popular.

Helicon - Wed Oct 15, 2003 9:39 pm
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^^^^^^^^^
you're doing great

by the way,
this marks the second quote surpassing 2 pages in my recent knowledge of this forum having to do mostly with how other people spell things funny.
The other being MGB's about (can't help myself):
internet chat and
i13373r@(Y

i just find that kind of disconcerting.... but hey, at least no one's cut up them nifty German-isms!!!!