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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 4:16 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:24 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

wholly, this seems to be going a LOT faster. like 10x.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 11:21 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Confess wrote:
wholly, this seems to be going a LOT faster. like 10x.


It is
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:23 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I noticed it loads instantly for me. The other day it took a little while. Love ya MGB icon_razz.gif
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:46 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Confess wrote:
wholly, this seems to be going a LOT faster. like 10x.

Well, before almost all the wait time was waiting for disk access. A 300Mhz processor is more than enough for the forums. Now, I have 100MB/s disk access dedicated just for me.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 1:51 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

yea I also sure love it.
I always like instant loading websites $
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 2:01 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Using apache's little benchmarking tools, I've sent 100 concurrent connections to the site, and only 30% of the 1,000 pages loaded took longer than a second. Half got theirs back within 250 ms.

So those of you that were browsing before this post, you might have notice the Page Load number on the bottom being in the ~3,000 pages loaded in the previous 5 minutes. Yep, that was me spamming the hell out of apache. I'm done benchmarking it for now.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 10:10 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

MGB, I was wondering, would you be able to create more virtual images and have other people use them or even have them pay for it?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 12:33 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I am planning on it, but I seem to be having difficultly setting up the hvmloader to create virtual images of other OSes. The reason for that, is I'd like to put pfsense/m0n0wall as the virtual machine for Telesto, the firewall system. The reason for those choices is they have very nice user-based access, in which I can grant access to VMs based behind a NAT to allow them to open up ports for themselves.

Depending on how much resources is required, I don't plan on charging at all. The Hyperion image, which right now has its own dedicated IP (because I still have a spare), is getting 10G disk, 192M memory, and 1G of swap that he isn't to really use, but is there because, what the hell, I have 350G of disk space still unallocated. But, he only has access to one processor, so if he does do a spinloop or something on his machine, I still have a full processor to run Calypso (the Xen master/soft RAID) and Titan (forums/email/my stuff). [As an idea, the unixshell system ran on 192M, and still was under the memory requirement with apache/mysql/postfix/bind.]

I probably plan on doing the same for others. CypherJF is even running a Java VM on his server, and it is has spare memory. Once I get a better understanding of what all I will be running on the system, I will allocate the rest of the ~3G of memory unallocated right now on the system that is only being used for disk cache by Calypso. Roughly, almost the whole disk is cached in memory right now, either on the VM's allocation or Calypso.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 12:48 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Anyone who would be interested in testing a VM behind VM system, go ahead and post here. A suggested layout for information that would be useful is as follows (quote it and remove the quote tags and these paragraphs).

Name is your name (sorry, I'll be naming your system). Description would be what you would use the system for (ASSS, MySQL, etc). Disk space is how much disk space you'd think you use, not what you want. I'll probably be giving at least 10G each, but if your purpose only needs 200M OS (average size for an X-less Linux) and 500M for ASSS + MySQL, only list 1G for your disk space. Distro choices can be anything free, such as Gentoo, Debian, Ubuntu, CentOS, FreeBSD, etc. Memory usage, assume 40M for your core OS, then start adding on for how much each application you plan on running uses. If you are unsure of the sizes, just list your estimates for each so I can see how you got to your total and determine if you miss-guessed.

  • Name:
  • Description:
  • Distro of choice:
  • Disk space:
  • Memory Usage:
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 1:22 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

  • Name: Solo Ace (I think? Or do you want my REAL name?)
  • Description: MySQL/Apache (PHP5 -> GD2)/FTPd if you'd allow that
  • Distro of choice: Gentoo
  • Disk space: 1G would be ok, but I guess I'd be better off with a few Gs more
  • Memory Usage: Nothing much, 512M (mostly swap) is more than enough


Hehe, I'd love to see how this goes. icon_smile.gif


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:29 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

  • Name: Maverick (I can give you more details by PM)
  • Description:I want to use it for running Continuum-related programs.
    Software:
    • Java
    • Apache
    • MySQL
    • PHP
    • Optional: Subversion

    For exporting things from twcore.org I need Subversion but I can also use SVNKit which is a java svn-client.

    Applications:
    • a TWCore (Mem: +/- 50 MB, 100 MB max.)
    • TWCore.org's javadoc (not a persistent process)
    • Smong's news ticker (Mem: +/- 16 MB)

  • Distro of choice: Ubuntu/Debian
  • Disk space: 10G is more then enough
  • Memory Usage: Quite high but I think I should manage with 192MB.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:28 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Let me note that you won't get your own IPs, but instead be behind a NAT like a home system. You'd just have access to a much faster connection. I probably should put in what ports you'd need.

Please note that memory is the most scarce resource on the system. So something like "Nothing much, 512M is more than enough" is a horrible estimate. As for applications you'd be running, you'd have your own VM. As long as you are not hosting porn, spamming, or anything to do with warez/viruses, it is all good. (IE: running bittorrent for free software is ok, for the latest TV shows is bad.) Remember, you have to be able to administer your own machine, I'm just going to setup the base system, network, and get you access to the console of the machine. You need to install SSH yourself.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:56 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Would you also provide a nameserver to use with the VM or can I use bind in my own VM (I don't know anything when it comes to nameservers) because I want to use a domain (ss-network.net) or two with the VM if that's possible?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:27 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Hmm. Normally, I'd say you would be reponsible for it yourself, but then since you wouldn't be getting a real IP you can't do it yourself, as would conflict with others. I can setup a system for you to change your own domain's bind configurations, but it won't be as pretty as cpanel. Or if you want, can just setup a wildcard, so *.blah.com all gets forwarded to same IP, and can add exceptions when needed.

Remember, I'm not offering massive service. You won't get your own IP, but if 4 people want space for running game servers, and 2 people want to run Apache, I can overlap the two with port forwarding. And the service won't be permanent, so I'd recommend going with a shared host for webhosting. But no shared hosts will let you run a bot off their systems, and that is more for the idea of what I'm offering.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:14 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Should I post my application here? I sent it in a PM. tongue.gif Also, can you give us an estimate of how long you'll be offering it? (Perhaps if we paid?)
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:32 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

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Should I post my application here?

Nah, it is fine. You can if you want, as having them all in a central location make is easier.
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Also, can you give us an estimate of how long you'll be offering it? (Perhaps if we paid?)

No idea. I plan on keeping this server connected forever, hence the reason I bought all the parts. But since the huge discount on the connection comes as an employee discount, I can't say there won't be an outage if I get a different job and either pay more a month or move to a different data center.

I don't really like the idea of charging money, as then more is expected of me in getting problems fixed, most of which I'd have no control over (someone screws up their VM, the packetloss/ping problems last week). As long as all the systems don't cause problems, I'd have no problem leaving them running as long as the system does. But I do want to stress, don't put anything that is critical on it (email, your main domain hosting).

Stupid qemu needing GCC3...
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:47 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Fill all other request before mine, but if you have an extra spot after all this.

# Name: BDwinsAlt (Brad)
# Description: Biller + ASSS (2 dev zones max)
# Distro of choice: DamnSmallLinux (50 MB ISO File)
# Disk space: 250-300 MB should be plenty.
# Memory Usage: 192 MB is enough.

[Preferred server name: Adonis: In mythology, the handsome youth loved by Venus. ]

Like I said, if a spot comes available or if you just feel like adding another one then I would appreciate it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:28 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

BDwinsAlt wrote:
# Distro of choice: DamnSmallLinux (50 MB ISO File)

Uh, that is a shitty choice. You'd waste resources running an X server for no reason.
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MGB, whats your paypal address?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:37 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

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Uh, that is a shitty choice. You'd waste resources running an X server for no reason.


I was trying to save space. I guess Ubuntu?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:50 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Mine GO BOOM wrote:
So something like "Nothing much, 512M is more than enough" is a horrible estimate.

That's swap included!
I think I'll be fine with 192M. icon_smile.gif

And uh, if others are going to request more than 5G, I'd just like to see 5G for me. sa_tongue.gif
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:39 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Confess wrote:
MGB, whats your paypal address?
BDwinsAlt wrote:
I was trying to save space. I guess Ubuntu?
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And uh, if others are going to request more than 5G, I'd just like to see 5G for me.

It is a good thing no one read my posts. I'll try and reword it a bit.
  • I am not, and will not, be accepting money for any services anytime soon. Want to donate money, I'm sure there are some nice cancer research out there or something.

  • I have tons of disk space, but I was more hoping for people to try and actually plan out what they would use, other than looking at as "hey, free service in which I might us for the first week only." If you plan on only using 400M for the project, just say that. I mentioned in my first post I'll probably give everyone 10G, if not more. I just wanted a reasonable expectation of how much you think you might use, not need.

  • Memory is the only limiting factor on the system. I have 4G total, and plan on using at least 2G just for myself. Which leaves 2G, and split that up around 200M a person, grants almost 10 VMs for people to play with. If someone plans on using the service to give others services (ie: confess hosting ASSS for others), they'd get more without a problem. If someone gets a popular zone and needs more memory, can upgrade without a problem. Upgrading is easy, downgrading isn't (ie: have to reboot the virtual machine, can upgrade 'live' with Linux VMs).

  • The distro you choose will be a completely stripped down version. It will have enough to boot to console, connect to the internet, and whatever package manager that distro has. Think most distro's server installs. Picking one over the other because it is "smaller" is false, as disk space isn't a problem, and they'd all be using the exact same kernel (how Xen works). The only difference between them is package managers, and where some config files goes.

  • If you've read any complaints I've had about Xen, its only problem right now is an unoptimized IO scheduler. Which means if a system is hitting the disk a lot, it does effect other systems on the machine. Processor and memory are handled very well, as multiple machines using 100% CPU does not drain from other systems badly at all (ie: recompiling whole Gentoo install of Titan still had Cypher's zone with low pings). You will all get tons of swap space, which I hope no one would need to use. It is there in case someone needs a good chunk of memory for a bit, so it doesn't crash your system. If your system is hitting the swap partition heavily, I'd either upgrade your memory, tell you to use less applications, or suggest buying your own hosting options elsewhere.

If you've never administered your own Linux server, I'd recommend first installing Virtual PC or VMware Player/Server and play around. If you've never used the command line in Linux, you will have difficulty with using what I'm offering. Install Ubuntu Server, Gentoo, or CentOS and give what you want to be hosted here a try. Setup a 10G disk with 192M memory, and install everything you plan on doing with my offer. See how much you actually use up, you'd be surprised how little servers really need when you don't run Firefox or a graphics interface.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:08 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Mine GO BOOM wrote:
I'd recommend going with a shared host for webhosting. But no shared hosts will let you run a bot off their systems, and that is more for the idea of what I'm offering.

Agreed. All I want is to have a domain to access any web things I might have on my VM which surely isn't much at all. I'm surely not going to use the VM for some massive website(s), I have other web hosting for that icon_wink.gif.
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Dangit mGB, need I send money to random emails of yours hoping that it will land in a paypal account I WILL! lol
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