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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:31 am    Post subject: Timer Errors Reply to topic Reply with quote

I have recently started getting Timer synchronization error on myself, whenever I enter a ship in my own zone.
After several of these:

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Timer synchronization error (Yoda)(xxx)(xxx)(sec=2650)
Timer synchronization error (Yoda)(xxx)(xxx)(sec=2654)


The server stops my client from doing anything, even entering spec, as though I was flooding it.
I am not sure what caused this to start appearing lately, but my guess would be the fact that I changed my virtual memory size on my PC from 768MB to 1536MB.

My question is, why would that be the cause for Timer synch errors and also how can I make it stop without having to reduce my virtual memory back to a smaller size.

I am running Subgame version 1.34.14a, hosted on SSCX.
I've tried also adding my name to vip.txt to no avail.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Unless I'm mistaken, such errors ussualy stem from the clock going high-wire, such as from overclocked BIOS or speedhack.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Ori Klein wrote:
Unless I'm mistaken, such errors ussualy stem from the clock going high-wire, such as from overclocked BIOS or speedhack.


Yes Grav, I know that.
But it seems to be something else in this case, and I would sure like to know what.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

As far as I understand it, the page file size shouldn't have any effect on those errors. Especially when you make it a larger size.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Dr Brain wrote:
As far as I understand it, the page file size shouldn't have any effect on those errors. Especially when you make it a larger size.


Nevertheless, it started happening right after I increased it's size.
Here's the Tinfo output:
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ServerTime    UserTime        Diff
  119719052      164457   119554595
  119719512      164957   119554555
  119719969      165457   119554512
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  119732068      178976   119553092
  119732508      179476   119553032
  119732950      179978   119552972
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Looks like your computer's GetTickCount() value is running 10% faster than it should.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Is it because of the added Virtual Memory?
And is it normal in such cases?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Do you use Azureus at all? This program has been know to cause funky changes with the system clock, such as what you have. They released a couple of fixes, but certain people still have problems with it.

Try running Continuum just by itself (not even an AOL client or anything else) and see if problem still occurs. Also try running Continuum in Safe mode. These should help narrow down if it is some secondary program causing a problem.

If it is Azureus causing problems, give µTorrent a try. It is a very nicely done C torrent client. Very small, yet has a shitload of features.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I usually use BitLord, but it wasn't on during any of the times I tried to leave spec.

I have now confirmed the problem to is with the Virtual Memory addition, since I changed it back and forth a number of times now, and the only time the same errors appear is when I have 1536MB of Virtual Memory.

I've tested this on 0.38, 0.39pr1 and 0.39pr3 all with same results.

Btw, this is the tinfo from when my Virtual Memory is set to 768MB:

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  125194303     4654326   120539977
  125194802     4654826   120539976
  125195302     4655326   120539976
  125195804     4655826   120539978
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  125202305     4662329   120539976
  125202806     4662829   120539977
  125203305     4663329   120539976
  125203805     4663829   120539976
  125204306     4664329   120539977
  125204806     4664829   120539977
  125205306     4665329   120539977
  125205806     4665829   120539977
  125206306     4666329   120539977
  125206806     4666829   120539977
  125207306     4667329   120539977
  125207806     4667829   120539977
  125208307     4668329   120539978
  125208806     4668831   120539975
  125209307     4669331   120539976
  125209809     4669832   120539977


So, how do we go about solving this problem so I could have normal Virtual Memory settings? biggrin.gif
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Well, that's a very strange error, but knowing Microsoft, you might never have a fix for it. What OS are you running? What Service Packs have you applied?

And why do you want to make your virtual memory that big anyway?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2 with all the latest updates and fixes.

I need lot's of memory because I work with heavy graphics programs at the moment, among other things.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

A most peculiar coincidence if I heard of one.
Enlarging the swap should have no effects what-so-ever to the system timer, especially not an increase of speed by all accounts.
There must be some way the swap is affecting other systems in turn...

The next question which comes to mind: does your designated HD can actually support your VM setting?


I would suggest you lodge an account of this dilema to one of the IT newsgroups, this requires disection by a BOFH.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Hmm, you sure your graphics program can't make its own swap file that it uses like GIMP does? Shouldn't Windows resize the page file when it needs more anyway?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Ori Klein wrote:
The next question which comes to mind: does your designated HD can actually support your VM setting?


Does your designated underwear support your stupidity setting?

What the hell does the hard drive have to do with the paging file?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Dr Brain wrote:
What the hell does the hard drive have to do with the paging file?


The paging file is ON the hard drive, for starters.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Yes. So are all the other files, as a matter of fact. Does your hard drive support your video files size?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I fail to see how my harddrive is related to Continuum having problem with increased swap file size.
I have 104GB free on the primary HD.

Any other clues?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Go with Ori Klein's suggestion, and try posting this problem on some newsgroup. As I don't do much for this, I don't know where to find a group of people who are knowledgable about the underworkings of Windows.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

http://board.win32asmcommunity.net/

Or, if you are that desperate and brave (or plain suicidal) you can try the devil monestary at alt.sysadmin.recovery *shudder*.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

What would you suggest I tell them?
That my 10 year old game broke because of a Virtual Memory problem? biggrin.gif
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Did you try setting it back and seeing if the problem went away?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Yes Brain, I did.
And the problem did indeed went away.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I suggest you make a professional detailed account of the problem.
Explain what situation you expect of them to reach in their resolution (IE playing subspace, running heavy gfx programs and having extra swap to handle it without the system timer acting up).
Provide a listing of all your hardware, their device drivers and all software running, make sure to include version numbers as well as any additional data you posses that may or may not help (such as the timer logs, maybe some shit *info dish out too? I think it got some client non-packet-traffic-related statistics).


And if you're going to speak to the devil monestary, you should talk in the form of something such as:
If you kind gods of IT would find it in your benevolence to assist a luser like me with my puny insignificant problem, because this is beyond my low life brain's understanding while you posses infinite wisdom and know all, I would sacrifice my first born in your glory.

No, this is not a joke.
Your attitude should be that they own your soul and you're a newb at their sysop mercy.
Yeah, I'm not shitting you.
After all, you are coming to them for help, they don't need your help, ever, they don't even care about you, to them you are an ant (or a gnat, and they carry swatters, very large and heavy ones).
Besides, they could as easily help you install a machine more powerful than what the pentagon has as they could simply make your machine spontaneously combust.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Remove all the swap, reboot, defrag, set it back, reboot again, see what happens.

A surface scandisk wouldn't hurt, either.
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