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Sercit 99.5% Optimistic

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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:47 am Post maybe stupid Post subject: Quick question. |
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How many megs are in a gig? I'm debating on setting up a personal website, and yeah.. I just need to know. |
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SuSE Me measures good

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Dr Brain Flip-flopping like a wind surfer

Age:39 Gender: Joined: Dec 01 2002 Posts: 3502 Location: Hyperspace Offline
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:25 am Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Kilo = 1000
Mega = 1000 * 1000
Giga = 1000 * 1000 * 1000
Tera = 1000 * 1000 * 1000 * 1000
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In computers, those thousands are really 1024.
So a gigabyte is 1024 megabytes. _________________ Hyperspace Owner
Smong> so long as 99% deaths feel lame it will always be hyperspace to me |
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Blindmonkey21 Server Help Squatter

Age:36 Gender: Joined: Jul 08 2004 Posts: 252 Location: Arizona Offline
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 4:05 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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He I always thought it was 1000 DOH! |
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CypherJF I gargle nitroglycerin

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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:29 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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liars.. its 1024  _________________ Performance is often the art of cheating carefully. - James Gosling |
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Dr Brain Flip-flopping like a wind surfer

Age:39 Gender: Joined: Dec 01 2002 Posts: 3502 Location: Hyperspace Offline
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:30 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Psst, cyph: I just said that. |
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Bak ?ls -s 0 in

Age:26 Gender: Joined: Jun 11 2004 Posts: 1826 Location: USA Offline
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:33 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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in memory (RAM) a gig is 2^30 bytes which is a little over 1 billion bytes while a meg is 2^20 byes which is a little over 1 million bytes. the ratio (2^30 / 2^20) is 2^10 or 1024 megabytes per gigabyte
in disk (harddrive) the companies got cheap and realized that they could advertise that they have more disk space if they defined a K as a thousand bytes(instead of 2^10), a meg as a million bytes(instead of 2^20) and a gig as a billion bytes(instead of 2^30)... so on disk a gigabyte is exactly 1,000 megabytes.
You were both right depending on the context. |
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Dr Brain Flip-flopping like a wind surfer

Age:39 Gender: Joined: Dec 01 2002 Posts: 3502 Location: Hyperspace Offline
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 7:38 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Hard Drive companies don't make the operating systems that report file sizes.
So, on disk, a gigabyte is exactly how large the OS thinks it is. That means 1024 megabytes. |
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D1st0rt Miss Directed Wannabe

Age:37 Gender: Joined: Aug 31 2003 Posts: 2247 Location: Blacksburg, VA Offline
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:01 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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we had to do some studying in computer science about that kind of thing, apparently some older computers used 7 bits as a byte  _________________
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Dr Brain Flip-flopping like a wind surfer

Age:39 Gender: Joined: Dec 01 2002 Posts: 3502 Location: Hyperspace Offline
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:33 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Octal is useful in representing 9 or 6 bit bytes. |
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Blindmonkey21 Server Help Squatter

Age:36 Gender: Joined: Jul 08 2004 Posts: 252 Location: Arizona Offline
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:24 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Dr. Brain you are getting too into this...You know way too much... |
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FireFox13 Newbie
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:26 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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He just says that because you don't know any better, and in reality it isn't true, but like I just said you don't know any better so all this is, is a simple game of cat and mouse in which case you are the cat and brain is the mouse. The mouse lies to the cat, and the cat believes him. hahaha...ok, not funny but i felt like rambling a bunch of crap.....so um ya.. |
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Blindmonkey21 Server Help Squatter

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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:28 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Steve the Impalor shall now kill you too bad he lied to you cause now you are fucked. |
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FireFox13 Newbie
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:32 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Who the heck is this "Steve" guy?
Yea, more useless spam. Congratulations! It's a boy! |
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Blindmonkey21 Server Help Squatter

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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:36 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Steve is a rhombus. |
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Dr Brain Flip-flopping like a wind surfer

Age:39 Gender: Joined: Dec 01 2002 Posts: 3502 Location: Hyperspace Offline
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:10 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Because 8 is 2^3, octal is useful in representing any set of bits that are a multiple of 3. That's why Hex is used to represent 8 bit numbers, because 16 is 2^4 and 4 devides evenly into 8.
We want numbers whos placevalue can immediatly tell you what byte they represent, and octal placevalues fit between the byte boundaries when the byte is composed of a multiple of 3 bits. |
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CypherJF I gargle nitroglycerin

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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 12:31 am Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Yawn, everything is everything.. computers it's all about 2's 8's 16's 0's and 1's... mwah... okay i probably made no sense but badda bing post_count++ for me.. |
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Bak ?ls -s 0 in

Age:26 Gender: Joined: Jun 11 2004 Posts: 1826 Location: USA Offline
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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 12:49 am Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Dr Brain wrote: | Hard Drive companies don't make the operating systems that report file sizes. |
When they sell harddrives they don't say "Windows XP says we're selling a 50 gig harddrive". They just call it a 50 gig harddrive... and their gigabyes are exactly 1000 megabytes because then it looks like you're getting more space than if they used 1024 megabytes per gigabyte. |
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Cyan~Fire I'll count you!

Age:37 Gender: Joined: Jul 14 2003 Posts: 4608 Location: A Dream Offline
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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 6:26 am Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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What the heck, Bak, we're not talking about buying a stupid harddrive! We're just saying how big a gigabyte is. (And its definition doesn't change even if people with lots of money lie about it.) _________________ This help is informational only. No representation is made or warranty given as to its content. User assumes all risk of use. Cyan~Fire assumes no responsibility for any loss or delay resulting from such use.
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Bak ?ls -s 0 in

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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 4:11 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Cyan~Fire wrote: | What the heck, Bak, we're not talking about buying a stupid harddrive! We're just saying how big a gigabyte is. (And its definition doesn't change even if people with lots of money lie about it.) |
Bah... I used to think words were defined by how they were used, but I guess you're right Cyan~Fire... who cares if I'm buying a 50 gigabyte harddrive and want to know how much memory i'm actually getting? |
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Dr Brain Flip-flopping like a wind surfer

Age:39 Gender: Joined: Dec 01 2002 Posts: 3502 Location: Hyperspace Offline
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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 5:17 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Bak wrote: | [..]
When they sell harddrives they don't say "Windows XP says we're selling a 50 gig harddrive". They just call it a 50 gig harddrive... and their gigabyes are exactly 1000 megabytes because then it looks like you're getting more space than if they used 1024 megabytes per gigabyte. |
Which is why when you put it in the computer, it says have 49 GB (actually, you get less because of file system overhead, but that's not the point).
You're absolutly correct about the HD people marketing with 1000 rather than 1024, but once it's actually inside the computer, it's all 2^10. |
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D1st0rt Miss Directed Wannabe

Age:37 Gender: Joined: Aug 31 2003 Posts: 2247 Location: Blacksburg, VA Offline
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 8:28 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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damn those tricky marketing bastards |
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