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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 8:59 pm    Post subject: early version of another map editor Reply to topic Reply with quote

Well seeing as the sample map that comes with my ctf module might not open with SSME I'm posting the version of LAME (Another Map Editor) that I used to make it with.

Stuff that I should say according to the sticky:
LAME is in early development stages and it's written in C.

What it can do some other editors can't:
* View .hlp files
* View version 2 regions
* Allow painting of arbitrary tiles

What's missing:
* elvl data is not written when saving
* You can't add or delete regions
* Fancy paint tools

Some controls you should know:
* Similar look and feel to SS
* Ctrl + left click to pick up tile
* Right click and drag to scroll
* F4 to toggle the tile palette (the pacman tile is the one that eats weapons)




linux only, linked to SDL 1.2.x

lame-0.2.3.tar.gz - 167.2 KB
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Umm, your project seems to conflict with a more popular project of the same name.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I don't care. Is there a legal problem?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Its more to deal with when talking about the project, people will easily confuse it with a much more popular project. Also, googling for it won't return it at all.

After playing with it a bit, it does look very nice. A problem is when you resize the window, it doesn't show more of the map. Since you mentioned this uses SDL, it shouldn't be a problem at all to port to Windows. If you need some assistance, we are here to help.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Name it ASSSKISS or something.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

LAME also doesn't make sense... did you mean (Linux) Another Map Editor? Even if that made sense, it'd be ...not good.
(sidenote: LAME [mp3 encoder] must be one of the dumbest acronyms in the giant see of dumb acronyms there are)

But ya, like Doc said. We should make it a point to ensure that eventually all ss/continuum-related apps have x-rated names.

So: CLIT, ASSS and PUSSY for Portable Ultimate SubSpace Yeti...dur


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

SubSpace Level Or Other Gunk Editor
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

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LAME also doesn't make sense... did you mean (Linux) Another Map Editor? Even if that made sense, it'd be ...not good.


Its a recursive acronym, like GNU (GNU's not UNIX), the real LAME (LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder), PHP (PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor), etc. Computer people are geeks like that.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

ya, but LAME IS and mp3 encoder tongue.gif (that comment was actually referring to Smong's LAME, though)
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Fortunately I have a backup name, 'DustEd' named after Dustpuppy.

The resize glitch:
I experimented with window resize about a year back and the window just sort of grew and moved across the screen all by itself.
There are -w and -h parameters for width and height, but since you can run it without a map as a parameter you never get to see the usage text.

Windows:
Yeah I know it's portable but last time I tried compiling an SDL app with VC6 it kind of screwed up directdraw or something after the second run, so it was just a window frame with nothing inside it (happened to ctm too).
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

-Smong- wrote:
Fortunately I have a backup name, 'DustEd' named after Dustpuppy.

duster's cool, but I'm not sure that makes sense, either sa_tongue.gif

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Windows:
Yeah I know it's portable but last time I tried compiling an SDL app with VC6 it kind of screwed up directdraw or something after the second run, so it was just a window frame with nothing inside it (happened to ctm too).

ewww don't use that stuff
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

It's good to see another map editor, especially one with new features. I really want to see one grow into a complete zone authoring environment, including lvls, regions, settings, lvzs, and even source code.

For the record, LAME (the mp3 encoder) originally wan't an mp3 encoder, it was a giant patch to the reference encoder source code published by the ISO that improved quality and speed. Later on, it became independent from the ISO source and only then did the name become inaccurate.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I have the first version (and probably the first release) of DustEd, I love it. sa_tongue.gif
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Grelminar wrote:
It's good to see another map editor, especially one with new features. I really want to see one grow into a complete zone authoring environment, including lvls, regions, settings, lvzs, and even source code.

and not in Java sa_tongue.gif
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For the record, LAME (the mp3 encoder) originally wan't an mp3 encoder, it was a giant patch to the reference encoder source code published by the ISO that improved quality and speed. Later on, it became independent from the ISO source and only then did the name become inaccurate.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Edit2: I had to resolve all my forward declarations, activate some obscure multithreaded runtime library option thingymajigy and ignore a whole load of signed/unsigned warnings.

This version has the resizable window.




windows version, sdl dll included.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Nice little clone of the SS engine or w/e ya wanna call it icon_smile.gif. Anyways, it a tad slow on my machine using the arrows to move around... o well.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Uh yeah the arrow keys are actually for when I was debugging the smooth scrolling (hence 1px per tap), you're supposed to use the mouse.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

You're supposed to use the mouse to scroll, not the arrow keys.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

SubSpace Levels for Unix Tool

SLUT

or

SubSpace Mapping for Unix Tool

SMUT

This is defintely the acronym, the words can be changed around a bit. Well either a "L" or a "M".


Or maybe, Subspace Linux (or Level) Utility ToolS (if it will be more than just maps). In which case it could be sluts.

And how about:

Continuum Unix Mapping or a variation thereof. But the best of that name would of course be, Continuum Mapping 4 Unix, or CuM4U.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I like SubSpace Level Utitlity Tool - it doesn't favor one platform
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

For the record, I didn't intend to start a trend of naming SS-related programs with vulgar puns. It was more of a play on "A Small ..." than anything else. I think LAME and DustEd are both good names.

Also, my complaint about, um, CLIT, isn't that it's written in java, but that it doesn't run (with all its features) on linux. And it doesn't support ELVL stuff yet, but I understand that might take some time.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I think everyone was joking about the vulgar acronyms.

SSMT would be my real reccomendation

SubSpace Map Tool(kit)
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I prefer acronyms with vowels - one or two syllables is best. Vulgar or not.

Regarding CLIT, I think 2dragons mention it was going to be basically completely remade.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

mmmmm i still think SSME is the best tool yet; if someone could clone it; and add features and fix the bugs, life would be good. Simply because it runs fast; and is pretty powerful, GUI is simple but yet effective. etc.
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