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| Solid_Fire wrote: | | Agurus has a point, Saddam was found in a fucking hole...alone...if he wanted to smuggle shit out then he wuold of smuggled himself out. |
There's a large difference between smuggling out before the start of the war and after.
He didn't think we'd attack. He thought were were all wishy-washy liberals that never actually do anything. He was wrong, thank God.
As for the UN... yes, it's a joke, like you said. Problem is that it's more or less impossible to fix the UN from the inside. They mandated that Saddam stop doing what he was doing, but they don't have any willpower to back up their statements. Easier for us to just ignore the UN and let it die on its own. We have 35 countries supporting us with 22,000 troops. I'd count that as a multinational group, regardless of what the UN says about it.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 5:37 am Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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| Dr Brain wrote: | [..]
There's a large difference between smuggling out before the start of the war and after.
He didn't think we'd attack. He thought were were all wishy-washy liberals that never actually do anything. He was wrong, thank God.
As for the UN... yes, it's a joke, like you said. Problem is that it's more or less impossible to fix the UN from the inside. They mandated that Saddam stop doing what he was doing, but they don't have any willpower to back up their statements. Easier for us to just ignore the UN and let it die on its own. We have 35 countries supporting us with 22,000 troops. I'd count that as a multinational group, regardless of what the UN says about it. |
I don't think the UN is a joke. It's very easy for everyone to sit around comfortabley and say it is. It's a step in the right direction towards achieving peace around the globe, of course it has had successes and failures. By no means should the failures be forgotten but should be learnt so that the same mistakes cannot be repeated.
Plus the UN is a huge leap from the predecessor (The League of Nations). The league of Nations was by no means useless either. Heck, it whiped out a typhus epidemic spreading from Russia!
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| Donkano wrote: | [..]
1. It is lower quality I will give you that (I personally havn't had a huge delay for things though).
2. The whole subject here about Bush spying on all the American citizens without a warrant.
3. Obviously not, why else does everyone in the world label USA as a war-country? War isn't the answer to ANYTHING.
4. It is obvious that you have no conscience to guide you to better descision making.
5. Their welfare is for food only, nothing else. Canada's is cash that you can spend on whatever you want.
6. USA can't protect squat, how else do you think 9/11 happened? Why do you think the pentagon was attacked? Why do you think the majority of Americans are scared?
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Sigh... another round...
2. The government doesn't want to spy on people for no reason. The Patriot Act is to only spy on people while they're in public anyway - and big news - when you're in public, people can see you anyways.
3. The world labels us as a war country because they hate us. Everyone hates more powerful things.
4. What would have been a better decision for Iraq?
5. Our welfare is money, too...
6. No one has attacked Canada because no one cares about Canada.
You're so contradictory in saying that we can't protect ourselves but then you also get mad because of the Patriot Act which is meant to protect us more. Typical Liberal.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:29 am Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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What exactly do you mean by peace, Spyed? The absence of war?
| http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/breck/astounding_kerry_vfw_speech_3.guest.html wrote: | | You know, Kim Jong ll has his desire of peace, too. Do you know what his definition of peace is? Enough nukes to wipe out anybody that might want to feed his people. You know what peace was to the Soviet Union? Peace was the absence of threat and a tyranny over its own population so they couldn't uprise against them. What's peace to us? Peace is the absence of threat, the presence of justice. There's a whole bunch of different definitions of peace. |
A global government cannot provide justice. Only asteroids hitting the earth scare me more than a single world order.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:30 am Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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| LearJett+ wrote: | | 6. No one has attacked Canada because no one cares about Canada. |
Clarification: No one has attacked Canada because they know we're next door. If they were in the middle of Asia or the Middle East, things would be different.
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I'm so glad that you are so unbiased, Brain, as to quote Rush Limbaugh in a political discussion. I mean, I have Republican friends that laugh at how extreme he is.
No world leader intelligent enough to establish a "world order" is dumb enough to use nukes to get it. It's not like it would be "launch, hit all US military bases, US dies". It would be far more like the End of the World flash video.
Also, try looking at the US from a different perspective. So we think Iraq was an aggressive country, and were frightened that they might have had WMDs. So we think the North Korea is an aggressive country, and are frightened that they have nukes. How does the Arab world see us?! A country with more nukes that is actively invading their countries!
WTF, mate?
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Iraq wasn't obeying UN resolutions to let weapons inspectors in.
Without power, the UN is nothing more than the League of Nations all over again, pre ww2 style.
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This is useless. Of course the US is going to have more money considering it has a population about 15 times the size of canada.
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| See, If you do it my way, it looks alot worse :D
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 5:14 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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| Cyan~Fire wrote: | | I'm so glad that you are so unbiased, Brain, as to quote Rush Limbaugh in a political discussion. I mean, I have Republican friends that laugh at how extreme he is. |
I've never claimed to be unbiased, because I know I am. And I have absolutely no problem with liberals that know they're liberal. Problem is that most liberals won't admit it.
Also, using the fact that I listen to the most popular radio program as an insult doesn't quite work. Being republican doesn't mean that they're conservative, which is what I am first and foremost. I don't always vote Republican, rather I always vote conservative.
| Cyan~Fire wrote: | | No world leader intelligent enough to establish a "world order" is dumb enough to use nukes to get it. It's not like it would be "launch, hit all US military bases, US dies". It would be far more like the End of the World flash video. |
Niether intelligence nor nukes are needed to create a world government. All that a country has to do is surrender their sovereignty to a body like the UN. That was the one thing John Kerry's didn't ever flip flop on, by the way.
| Cyan~Fire wrote: | | Also, try looking at the US from a different perspective. So we think Iraq was an aggressive country, and were frightened that they might have had WMDs. So we think the North Korea is an aggressive country, and are frightened that they have nukes. How does the Arab world see us?! A country with more nukes that is actively invading their countries! |
You're leaving out context. We were provoked into action. We gave Iraq too many chances (in my mind) to back out of war and they still thumbed their noses at us. I doubt the Arab people think badly of us (in general, I'm sure you can find plenty of individuals that do). I'm sure the Arab Goverments are freaking out though.
| Cyan~Fire wrote: | | WTF, mate? |
Indeed.
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Are you sure that's real? I'm sure it was forged by them damn Israel fucks.
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| Brain wrote: | | Also, using the fact that I listen to the most popular radio program as an insult doesn't quite work. Being republican doesn't mean that they're conservative, which is what I am first and foremost. I don't always vote Republican, rather I always vote conservative. |
Actually, I don't have too much of a problem with conservatives in general. I excessively dislike Republicans, though, and the Iraq war is a Republican war.
| Brain wrote: | | Niether intelligence nor nukes are needed to create a world government. |
Well, I guess I was replying to Rush and not you then.
| Brain wrote: | | We were provoked into action. We gave Iraq too many chances (in my mind) to back out of war and they still thumbed their noses at us. |
If the ultimatum had been a UN ultimatum, of course it would have been justified. But it wasn't. In fact, whenever I hear "ultimatum" I always think of the one Austria-Hungary presented Serbia way back when...
And Bak, stop restricting free speech you stupid Jew.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 11:37 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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| Cyan~Fire wrote: | | If the ultimatum had been a UN ultimatum, of course it would have been justified. But it wasn't. In fact, whenever I hear "ultimatum" I always think of the one Austria-Hungary presented Serbia way back when... |
Would a UN ultimatum be anything like a French military victory?
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| newb wrote: | [..]
Are you sure that's real? I'm sure it was forged by them damn Israel fucks. |
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| Hahaha. I would say no, but it was the only justified option. I'm guessing you're a war "realist", but there's some component of just war theory that mandates support from an international organization for a war to be just.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:27 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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| Refresh my memory, was WWII a just war?
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what do you guys think of Bush's new unconstitutional action?
| President Bush, Dec. 19, 2005 wrote: | | As President and Commander-in-Chief, I have the constitutional responsibility and the constitutional authority to protect our country. Article II of the Constitution gives me that responsibility and the authority necessary to fulfill it. And after September the 11th, the United States Congress also granted me additional authority to use military force against al Qaeda. |
Wtf? Implied presidential powers "implied" but saying that Arcticle 2 allows this taking away the 1st ammendment is way out of line. He is going too far with the Patriot Act. This is opening the door to presidents to come. And i say, do we americans want this? Speech here.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 11:17 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Uh, he does have the responsibility to protect the country. And the Congress did give him the thumbs up to take out terrorists.
The legislature enacted the Patriot Act, not the President.
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| well. i personally care about a little thing called privacy. i dont want some pig tapping my phones or searching my home (without a warrant ("legal" with the patriot act)) because i chose to make a call to a country outside of the states.
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I don't believe it lets them do that. I belive it sets up a special channel for them to get very quick access to a Judge so they can get a warrant.
Do you know how many abuses of the Patriot Act there have been? Exactly zero.
Please don't mistake this post as meaning that I dislike privacy. I'm simply playing devil's advocate here.
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| Does anyone else get scared by Dr Brain?
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| Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 7:23 am Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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I don't want to live in a country where it's possible to wire tap a citizen without a warrent, then designate him as a enemy combatant, which takes away his right to due process, then ship him out to a black site, which removes our responsibility to follow the Geneva Conventions while interagating him. Just because abuses aren't happening now is not enough.
We could live in a benevolent dictatorship too, where our three brances of government are not existant and abuses don't occur. However, the reason we haven't had too much widespread abuse with any president in our short history is because of checks and balances. Bush has a duty to protect the Consititution too.
And if you suspenct someone of being a terrorist, show the evidence to a judge and get a warrent. Warrentless searches can only be targeted at people who they don't have enough evidence to suggest they are dealing with terrorists (99% of residents fall into this catagory).
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