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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:02 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Firefox 2.0 Reply to topic Reply with quote

Well looks like they out did IE again, built in spell checker icon_smile.gif
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:19 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I'm assuming you never played with the release clients?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:16 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

it doesn't seem any different to me.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:34 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

the anti phishing is impressive.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:51 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Doc Flabby wrote:
the anti phishing is impressive.

Can't figure out why that is. Anyways, Firefox's method is very nice, as it downloads a local copy to check and doesn't send URLs to anyone. You can go into options and have it check Google for sites if you want, but it is by default set to only compare against a local copy of a list it downloads every so often. This is in Google's toolbar, which works on both Firefox and IE, so anyone can use it.

IE7 also does this too. Their method is more of a white-list type approach. (source)
Tariq Sharif, a Program Manager on the IE Security team wrote:
What information is sent to Microsoft for checking a website

Phishing Filter does not check every URL on the Microsoft server. It only sends those which are not on a known list of OK sites or those that appear suspicious based on heuristics. If an URL is checked on the Microsoft server, first the URL is stripped down to the path to help remove personal information, then the remaining URL is sent over a secure SSL connection. The communication with the Microsoft server is done asynchronously so that there is little to no effect on your browsing experience.

So, for example, if you were to visit http://www.msn.com, nothing will be checked on the Microsoft server because "msn.com" and other major websites are on the client-side list of OK sites. However, let’s say the URL looked like this: http://207.68.172.246/result.aspx?u=Tariq&p=Tariq’sPassword, in this scenario phishing filter will remove the query string to help protect my privacy but it will send "http://207.68.172.246/result.aspx" to be checked by the Microsoft Server because 207.68.172.246 is not on the allow list of OK sites. As it turns out, 207.68.172.246 is just the IP address of MSN.com server, so its not a phishing site but this example should help you understand more about how Phishing Filter checks sites on the server.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:42 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

the spell check is good enough for me to almost wet myself.

seems to run faster too, but most people probably wouldn't notice unless they really tax out their systems.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:03 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

It's nice because now it understands OS X's standard textbox keybindings.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:45 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I kind of miss my old themes and extensions, but this is pretty nice. I don't feel like going through all my old extensions and modifying them. I love the spell check though!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:46 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

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II don't feel like going through all my old extensions and modifying them.

I never do either. So, open up about:config and create a new key called extensions.checkCompatibility and set it to false. Never be bothered by "unsupported" messages again.

Didn't test on Firefox 2 yet, but should work.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:14 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I looked all over for that in FireFox2. I didn't see it. Maybe there is another easy way to 'rig' it. icon_confused.gif

Edit: You basically create that in about:config to make it work, I see now.
I speed-read through your post, sorry.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:56 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

FF 2 doesn't seem faster at all. At the beginning it did, but that was just my mind.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:44 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I noticed it's a bit speeder for me because I don't need as many extensions as before (ex: tab features).
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:29 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I started using Maxthon, because I've actually seen it use less resources than IE6. And that's amazing. Plus, Maxthon has a whole plethora of features that I actually will use(I never used ANYTHING on FF, though I used quite a few on Opera), the only one that's missing is an X button on the individual tabs. I think I found a way to add that, I was just too lazy to do it.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:56 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Bah, Maxthon is just another one of those IE-based things. You're just using IE with some extra features loaded, I doubt it actually uses less resources.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:37 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Oh, I would doubt any browser's claim to use less resources than IE. But when I have 5 IE windows open, and 5 tabs in Maxthon open, sometimes Maxthon will be using less. Sometimes IE will. It really doesn't make much sense, and it's quite likely incorrect. But I've gotta say, that's my favorite thing about Maxthon, is that is pretty much is IE. It uses a lot of the same config files and reads and stores favorites in the same places, etc. Still, though, I use it for different things than I use IE for. Maybe if Maxthon and Opera were to come together and create a lightweight browser with lots of features, based off of IE, and a streamlined design, I would permanently switch. But, I really don't see it coming.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:15 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Cyan~Fire wrote:
Bah, Maxthon is just another one of those IE-based things. You're just using IE with some extra features loaded, I doubt it actually uses less resources.


i hate IE-based browsers. icon_sad.gif
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:12 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I have to admit, I don't understand why you'd want a spellchecker in a browser at all. What's it for, spellchecking your posts in forums? I mean, I doubt many people would like to quickly be able to point out all the spelling errors in a webpage. But aside from not needing a spell checker, I've always assumed people that spelled badly did so because they were apathetic about it. Now, though, FF fanboys are popping up everywhere acting like everyone's been pining for a spellchecker for years. Seriously...wtf?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:00 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:06 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Ever submit reports via a web browser? Most corporate users have to. Ticket requests for your server? Support questions to companies? Making an eBay auction?

You should have seen some of the emails I got back when I still allowed email support for Server Help. Half the battle was trying to figure out what they are even talking about, let alone try and get more out of them than "it doesn't work." Computers can do spell checking very easily, why not add it? Just an unobtrusive red dotted underline for words that are not in the dictionary. I used to have spell checking in these forums until a bunch of security updates changed things around too much that the old mod didn't work and I was too lazy to edit it to work again.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:07 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Ah, I suppose. But for most people on these forums, since so many people here aspire to be great programmers with great jobs or things of that sort, I'd think you'd want to fix the problem, not cover it up. I mean, few companies will hand out spelling tests as part of the application, but from my own experiences working at Verizon Wireless($$), bad spelling is only tolerated to a certain extent. For example, if you were working on something official that had to be presented, and your work consistently had to be checked, you'd be reprimanded, or the project may be taken from you. More often, though, it would just piss people off... I mean, sometimes e-mails that were sent out were hardly readable, and people just don't have time for that.

Who knows, though, maybe a spell checker will actually help people learn, if they have the mind for it.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:13 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

my spelling is horrible.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:29 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Meh...

It seems to me that spell checkers are for people who are unwilling to learn. They don't make a note to remember/learn how to spell something, because the spell checker will take care of it for them.

I guess for most people it tends not to matter, but if your job requires you to write to others on a regular basis, you probably should be able to write most of your document without the need of a spelling or grammar assistant.

Also, FYI: I don't use spell checkers and my spelling and grammer skillz are some of the best I've seen on all of the internets I visit.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:55 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I don't use a spellchecker either, and I also don't know many people with better grammar than I(normally I'd say "me" just because it's more natural, but considering the subject of the sentence, I figured I'd do it right). That aside, I think some people just don't happen to know how to spell things right, and this may help them. I'm pretty sure the only reason I know how to spell so well is because I read a ton of books, and have seen it done the right way over and over. I'm thinking back to some of Dr Brain's old posts on MGB forums, and seeing if I can figure out what happened to make him learn to spell, but I don't quite understand. Jeez, it's hard to believe, too, that was really Brain?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:06 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Cerium wrote:
... my spelling and grammer skillz are some of the best I've seen on all of the internets I visit.

That's some goods grammer skillz yous gots.
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