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tcsoccerman

I've recently been looking into learning a new language, although this decision seems to have lots of influences and would like your opinion.
As you likely know, i am working on a Hockey statistical program. In my new GUI, i use lots of animations and moving of controls during user-time. This adds the idea that..
*the language must be quick on amations, and moving of graphics.
Also related to the hockey program, is the idea that i want an .exe output. I want this because a.) it is alot more simple to use than, scripts(i believe) and .net framework sord of thing(c#, my current language). also you don't need a large knowledge of file types to use it. so, i'd like the language..
*to make .exe files.
Another factor in choosing the language is that i may be looking into a mac. Mac has a built in compiler using "objective-C" programming language which is evidently similiar to normal c. All this adds is a bonus for the "C" language.Another bonus to "C" is that i already know how the basic syntax is from coding asss. BUT the big ouch for "C" is that there isn't any good C visual debugger/compiler/editer. which comes to the next idea....
*the language should have a good compiler/editor/debugger that is visual (gui) meaning you can drag and drop items to make automatic generated _ *code. please also note that microsoft visual compilers tend to run slow on my pc(windows xp).
Hopefully someone has some knowledge of languages advantages/disadvantages. Thank you again ss community.

P.S. Learning new languages is of interest. Will certainly help my knowledge in the area.

Doc Flabby · Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:14 am *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Another language to consider is FreePascal, like C only easier

http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/

Find a copy of VS6 and you have one of the best C Visual Enviroments.
BUT the big ouch for "C" is that there isn't any good C visual debugger/compiler/editer
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Dr Brain · Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:14 am *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Java and Eclipse. Eclipse is probably the best IDE in the world.

Java doesn't compile to .exes, but my guess is that you'll be better off in the long run, especially if you're about to switch away from windows to a mac (which doesn't run exes)
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Cyan~Fire · Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:04 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

C# is easier than Java, C, C++, or any of the other common general development languages. If you're trying to switch away from C# because it requires "too much knowledge", you're out of luck.
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Smong · Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:57 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

I know you said you want an exe, fancy animations and drag/drop code generation (for controls I'm guessing), but what about php/mysql/javascript? If you don't already know it you could give it a try. Website making skills always come in handy.

There are several people in ss offering webspace so hosting won't be a problem. There are also javascript libraries for doing fancy animation. Finally if you make it as a website then a lot more people can use your app.
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Bak · Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:11 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

CypherJF · Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:16 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

I think the eclipse developers have done a very nice job with the latest stable release that's been out for a while now.

I've also heard NetBeans is decent with it's profiling, etc. abilities.
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Doc Flabby · Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 5:17 am *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

once you've used eclipse, netbeans seems 2nd rate

tcsoccerman · Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:07 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

@doc : lazarus looks interesting and i'll probably be looking into it alot for a different project, but i've written/done too much on my current project in c# to switch

@ dr. brain : i'm going to look at eclipse and most likely use it, but like i said above i'm too far into the project to switch now.

@ cyan-fire : c# is certainly easy. i'm not looking for an easier language, but a more powerful language like c or c++.

@smong : i considered making it a website. it would add many features such as an area for players to im sorda, or staff meetings to discuss about the team, but i think that that would be more of a "learn how to make websites" project rather than a "make a statistics program" project.

@cypherjf : more of a reason to look at eclipse.

So after all this i decided to change my app gui to not include moving objects and stuff in order to keep the coding i've already created (about 20 files). ty anyway, for real, i'll definiately favorite this post.

Doc Flabby · Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:50 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Cyan~Fire · Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:40 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

k0zy · Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:48 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Doc Flabby · Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:50 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Animate Dreams · Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:41 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

tcsoccerman · Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:38 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

i don't think so animate, it requires the .net framework and lots of people i've had test my program can't because they don't have .net. although that is changing because most computers come with .net now (at least i know windows does).

CypherJF · Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:41 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

I don't believe the .NET framework has been ported to all the other OS' that the JRE can run on.

Animate Dreams · Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:33 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

CypherJF · Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:16 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Cell phones, too?

Cyan~Fire · Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:42 am *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Dr Brain · Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 7:23 am *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Bak · Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:31 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

guis in java are not hard. Think about the most intuative way one would design a gui system and you have java's system. Of course some of you might like a visual editor and all that, but I think netbeans has one of those. Anyways those suck just use text-based gui editing.

tcsoccerman · Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:41 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

i really like the visual part actually, as long as it's a good one. I know in sharpdevelop, you can change the name of a control and the editor changes all the references of that control to use the new name. you can edit the properties of the controls easily as well. It also lets you play around with your program's gui and see what you like/don't without going through any coding.

Animate Dreams · Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:12 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Cyan~Fire · Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:53 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Funny.