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Solo Ace Yeah, I'm in touch with reality...we correspond from time to time.

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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 1:47 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: Software for creating "formal" documents |
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Documents with a certain "formality" like papers for school or product manuals don't look like they were written in MS Word.
I think Word can be a pain for longer documents and documents that require a certain markup. They don't really look anyhting like professional.
So, my question is: What software do you recommend for creating documents that require a formal markup and a professional expression?
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Muskrat Server Help Squatter

Age:38 Joined: Aug 24 2004 Posts: 829 Location: Swamp Offline
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 1:57 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Try Microsoft Publisher, or some equivalent.
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CypherJF I gargle nitroglycerin

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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 2:13 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Quark Press, etc. desktop publishing apps are typically used in the market place for making professional documents. _________________ Performance is often the art of cheating carefully. - James Gosling
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Blocks Novice

Joined: Jul 13 2006 Posts: 95 Location: California Offline
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 3:17 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: LaTeX |
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The pros (at least in scientific academia) use a typesetting system known as LaTeX. The learning curve is steeper than any WYSIWYG sysyem, but it produces beautiful documents. Especially if you need to include lots of math. For an actual implementation on Windows, try using MiKTeX.
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Mine GO BOOM Hunch Hunch What What

Age:42 Gender: Joined: Aug 01 2002 Posts: 3615 Location: Las Vegas Offline
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 4:00 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: Re: LaTeX |
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Learn LaTeX and you will rarely ever open Word again.
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Solo Ace Yeah, I'm in touch with reality...we correspond from time to time.

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Blocks Novice

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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 5:41 am Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Something like that could be done in LaTeX, though I simply think that guy didn't have the balls to do it.
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Solo Ace Yeah, I'm in touch with reality...we correspond from time to time.

Age:38 Gender: Joined: Feb 06 2004 Posts: 2583 Location: The Netherlands Offline
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 6:20 am Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Well, I wrote my first real LaTeX document. It's really, really nice but I don't have the time to rewrite what I'm working on now of course, but probably next time I might if I'm allowed to.
At the moment I'm just using Word, maybe I'll look into Adobe Acrobat too.
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Doc Flabby Server Help Squatter

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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:28 am Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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You can create very professional looking documents in word.
What tends to make a document look professional is the expensive fonts they have bought. The fonts that some with word suck. If you get some pro fonts your document will look substantially more pro. _________________ Rediscover online gaming. Get Subspace | STF The future...prehaps
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Dr Brain Flip-flopping like a wind surfer

Age:39 Gender: Joined: Dec 01 2002 Posts: 3502 Location: Hyperspace Offline
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:43 am Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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You can make something like that in Word/OpenOffice, you just have to fiddle around with the headers, footers, headings and margins forever. _________________ Hyperspace Owner
Smong> so long as 99% deaths feel lame it will always be hyperspace to me
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Bak ?ls -s 0 in

Age:26 Gender: Joined: Jun 11 2004 Posts: 1826 Location: USA Offline
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 11:38 am Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Latex is really nice. I had to do a final paper for my philsophy of computer science class and wrote the whole thing in word then converted it to latex and it looks twice as good. The only thing I hate is that there's no spell checker in most plain-text programs, much less one that could sort of the latex from the actual content. Anyone know of something that could do such a task? _________________ SubSpace Discretion: A Third Generation SubSpace Client
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Animate Dreams Gotta buy them all! (Consumer whore)

Age:37 Gender: Joined: May 01 2004 Posts: 821 Location: Middle Tennessee Offline
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 3:39 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Well, does anyone have a good tutorial or something like that for Latex? That Wikipedia site didn't have near enough information for me.
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Bak ?ls -s 0 in

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Animate Dreams Gotta buy them all! (Consumer whore)

Age:37 Gender: Joined: May 01 2004 Posts: 821 Location: Middle Tennessee Offline
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 6:22 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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=\ I can't read pdf.
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CypherJF I gargle nitroglycerin

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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 6:29 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Why?
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Doc Flabby Server Help Squatter

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Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 3:58 am Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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download fox pdf viewer
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Animate Dreams Gotta buy them all! (Consumer whore)

Age:37 Gender: Joined: May 01 2004 Posts: 821 Location: Middle Tennessee Offline
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 4:17 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Because I don't have enough space/resources for Adobe Acrobat. I hate pdf files. Educational documents have no business being in something like pdf, only formal documents. Pdf is way overused. >_>
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CypherJF I gargle nitroglycerin

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Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 5:01 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Get a real PDF viewer like Foxit Reader.
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Cyan~Fire I'll count you!

Age:37 Gender: Joined: Jul 14 2003 Posts: 4608 Location: A Dream Offline
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 7:02 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Yep, many professors should use HTML instead of PDFs a lot of the time, but what's a lowly student to do?
I even had a computer science professor writing stuff in MS Word.  _________________ This help is informational only. No representation is made or warranty given as to its content. User assumes all risk of use. Cyan~Fire assumes no responsibility for any loss or delay resulting from such use.
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Animate Dreams Gotta buy them all! (Consumer whore)

Age:37 Gender: Joined: May 01 2004 Posts: 821 Location: Middle Tennessee Offline
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 12:08 am Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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I personally don't see what's wrong with notepad. Few professors I've had do anything other text with their html(which is fine too), but I think html can pretty much do everything pdf can. I understand it may not look as pretty on everyone's computer, but they can get over that. If I want to change how a document is going to be displayed because it's easier for me to read, I should be able to do that.
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Bak ?ls -s 0 in

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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 2:33 am Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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there's latex templates designed for printing specifically to journals or even books. html would never look good there
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Dr Brain Flip-flopping like a wind surfer

Age:39 Gender: Joined: Dec 01 2002 Posts: 3502 Location: Hyperspace Offline
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 10:34 am Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Animate Dreams wrote: | I personally don't see what's wrong with notepad. Few professors I've had do anything other text with their html(which is fine too), but I think html can pretty much do everything pdf can. I understand it may not look as pretty on everyone's computer, but they can get over that. If I want to change how a document is going to be displayed because it's easier for me to read, I should be able to do that. |
Do you know how hard it is to get HTML to fit exactly onto one page or have the page break exactly where you want it, and how easy it is to get a PDF to do the same thing? HTML doesn't even look the same between browsers, much less computers. PDF is a good thing, and has its place. Because you don't like the only viewer you've ever used doesn't change any of that.
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Doc Flabby Server Help Squatter

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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 12:24 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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pdf is great, once you stop using adobe products with it.
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Animate Dreams Gotta buy them all! (Consumer whore)

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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 4:33 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Dr Brain wrote: | [..]
Do you know how hard it is to get HTML to fit exactly onto one page or have the page break exactly where you want it, and how easy it is to get a PDF to do the same thing? HTML doesn't even look the same between browsers, much less computers. PDF is a good thing, and has its place. Because you don't like the only viewer you've ever used doesn't change any of that. |
My point is that my professors should just let me break pages wherever the hell I want. Seriously, a perfectly positioned page break isn't going to help me learn more, and that's why I'm at college. I'm not there to watch them break pages perfectly.
As for the viewers, all viewers are guaranteed to take up more resources than notepad. I don't like wasting my resources on fat programs just to professors can make their papers look 'pretty'.
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SamHughes Server Help Squatter

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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 4:41 pm Post maybe stupid Post subject: |
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Um, if your computer can't open up PDF documents, your computer's got a serious problem. My computer from 1992 can read PDF documents. That makes your computer fifteen years out of date. And considering that it's a tutorial on LaTeX, using a plain text document would be pretty damn useless.
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