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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 1:47 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Software for creating "formal" documents Reply to topic Reply with quote

Documents with a certain "formality" like papers for school or product manuals don't look like they were written in MS Word.

I think Word can be a pain for longer documents and documents that require a certain markup. They don't really look anyhting like professional.

So, my question is: What software do you recommend for creating documents that require a formal markup and a professional expression?
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 1:57 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Try Microsoft Publisher, or some equivalent.
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 2:13 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Quark Press, etc. desktop publishing apps are typically used in the market place for making professional documents.
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 3:17 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: LaTeX Reply to topic Reply with quote

The pros (at least in scientific academia) use a typesetting system known as LaTeX. The learning curve is steeper than any WYSIWYG sysyem, but it produces beautiful documents. Especially if you need to include lots of math. For an actual implementation on Windows, try using MiKTeX.

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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 4:00 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Re: LaTeX Reply to topic Reply with quote

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LaTeX

Learn LaTeX and you will rarely ever open Word again.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 1:54 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I know some Wikipedia LaTeX haha, but something like the Reverse code engineering: an in-depth analysis of the bagle virus that was posted here before (by Cypher?), was created in LaTeX? I doubt it. But that's an example of what I mean...
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 5:41 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Something like that could be done in LaTeX, though I simply think that guy didn't have the balls to do it.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 6:20 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Well, I wrote my first real LaTeX document. It's really, really nice but I don't have the time to rewrite what I'm working on now of course, but probably next time I might if I'm allowed to.

At the moment I'm just using Word, maybe I'll look into Adobe Acrobat too.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:28 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

You can create very professional looking documents in word.

What tends to make a document look professional is the expensive fonts they have bought. The fonts that some with word suck. If you get some pro fonts your document will look substantially more pro.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:43 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

You can make something like that in Word/OpenOffice, you just have to fiddle around with the headers, footers, headings and margins forever.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 11:38 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Latex is really nice. I had to do a final paper for my philsophy of computer science class and wrote the whole thing in word then converted it to latex and it looks twice as good. The only thing I hate is that there's no spell checker in most plain-text programs, much less one that could sort of the latex from the actual content. Anyone know of something that could do such a task?
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 3:39 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Well, does anyone have a good tutorial or something like that for Latex? That Wikipedia site didn't have near enough information for me.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 4:51 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

http://www.rpi.edu/campus/doc/acs.memos/rpi109.pdf
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 6:22 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

=\ I can't read pdf. icon_sad.gif
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 6:29 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Why?
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 3:58 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

download fox pdf viewer
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 4:17 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Because I don't have enough space/resources for Adobe Acrobat. I hate pdf files. Educational documents have no business being in something like pdf, only formal documents. Pdf is way overused. >_>
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 5:01 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Get a real PDF viewer like Foxit Reader.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 7:02 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Yep, many professors should use HTML instead of PDFs a lot of the time, but what's a lowly student to do?

I even had a computer science professor writing stuff in MS Word. icon_sad.gif
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 12:08 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I personally don't see what's wrong with notepad. Few professors I've had do anything other text with their html(which is fine too), but I think html can pretty much do everything pdf can. I understand it may not look as pretty on everyone's computer, but they can get over that. If I want to change how a document is going to be displayed because it's easier for me to read, I should be able to do that.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 2:33 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

there's latex templates designed for printing specifically to journals or even books. html would never look good there
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 10:34 am   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

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I personally don't see what's wrong with notepad. Few professors I've had do anything other text with their html(which is fine too), but I think html can pretty much do everything pdf can. I understand it may not look as pretty on everyone's computer, but they can get over that. If I want to change how a document is going to be displayed because it's easier for me to read, I should be able to do that.


Do you know how hard it is to get HTML to fit exactly onto one page or have the page break exactly where you want it, and how easy it is to get a PDF to do the same thing? HTML doesn't even look the same between browsers, much less computers. PDF is a good thing, and has its place. Because you don't like the only viewer you've ever used doesn't change any of that.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 12:24 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

pdf is great, once you stop using adobe products with it.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 4:33 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

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Do you know how hard it is to get HTML to fit exactly onto one page or have the page break exactly where you want it, and how easy it is to get a PDF to do the same thing? HTML doesn't even look the same between browsers, much less computers. PDF is a good thing, and has its place. Because you don't like the only viewer you've ever used doesn't change any of that.


My point is that my professors should just let me break pages wherever the hell I want. Seriously, a perfectly positioned page break isn't going to help me learn more, and that's why I'm at college. I'm not there to watch them break pages perfectly.

As for the viewers, all viewers are guaranteed to take up more resources than notepad. I don't like wasting my resources on fat programs just to professors can make their papers look 'pretty'.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 4:41 pm   Post maybe stupid    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Um, if your computer can't open up PDF documents, your computer's got a serious problem. My computer from 1992 can read PDF documents. That makes your computer fifteen years out of date. And considering that it's a tutorial on LaTeX, using a plain text document would be pretty damn useless.
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