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[Muskrat]

Could be similar to the same reason gay marriage is illegal. People choosing issues to run for office and effectively destroying the system of parties. It takes a long time for people to change theirs minds about things. But hey, its becoming decriminalized pretty rapidly, remember Denver? This could be an indication that the country is moving in the direction of accepting it. Hell it took 200 years from freeing slaves to give them equality.

Compare approval rates between George Bush and Marijuana, they aren't too far off. You may find that its not thought to be that bad.

[Chambahs]

Weed is illegal, because if people were to sell it, the government wouldnt be able to make tax off it. Why are alcohol and ciggerates legal? They are both high killers and alcohol stimulates your mind and body just as weed does. But at the same time it doesnt kill as alcohol and ciggerates do. Im just puttin my 2 cents in. There is perfectly nothing wrong with smoking weed. Satilva (im pretty sure i didnt spell it right and im too lazy to google it) nearly does the same effect as weed does, and you can buy that at any flower shop. As well as a store called "Utopia" where I live, they sell "Legal Weed", which I heard was not as potent but still got you a bit buzzed.

[Sketter]

My 2 cents.

Weed is illegal due to the harmful effects, and altering the human mind while under its influence.

But then again so does alcohol. in fact alcohol used to be illegal at one point.

Muskrat and Chambahs have very good point.
It takes a long time for people to change their minds and even sometimes your going
to have to wait until their out of power or dead before movement is made.

We are told and taught to think a certain way. The majority will follow these principles.
It is the ones who do not follow the majority that will change the world.

Alcohol effects yours liver and cause to deteriorate.
Smoking can cause lung cancer, heart attacks, heart disease, stokes and so forth.

These effects are absolutely life threatening. So why are they legal?

I don't know any terminal illnesses caused by weed.


In most non medicated ADHD cases, studies show that stimulation caused by weed, cases patients to actually have better focus on subjects and tasks.
These people feel that they can accomplish more.

In some parts of the world weed is legalized. Perhaps we should take a look on their life style and system too see if the legal weed, has compromised their humanity.


Sketter
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[Dr Brain]

Sorry guys, I'm not buying it. Weed was legal at one point, but it was made illegal. There was a reason behind that, even if you won't admit it. The law is there to protect people, not to remove joy and happiness from the world.
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[D1st0rt]

It was probably made illegal by the same type of hysteria and warmongering that made the drinking age 21. By the way, your liver is much more capable of recovering from alcohol than your lungs are at recovering from smoking.
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[LazyBlaher]

Wow, this is sad and you guys are still at it... I just read in the news paper a few weeks ago talking about how pot can be addicting for 15% of people, it cause brain damage BIGTIME, but it does help get rid of stress and head aches by putting your brain in a sort of mental acomia. Also so of course it destroys your liver and lungs (not as much as cigarettes). They got the proof off of scientists that have agreed on this data on all of the studies they have done.
As for me, I'm not as stupid as much of you that smoke it.

[Muskrat]

If you look at history, you will see that laws don't just protect people, they protect intrests as well; intrests that are influenced by power or money or individual issues that hurt the cohesiveness of the state. Your unwavering trust in the government is, in my opinion, against the purpose of ruling body. 1500 years ago Plato found just as many faults in democracies as in monarchies; why should we trust the American Government to be completely bent on preserving our happiness when offices can only be gained by an aristocracy?

If I could see that marijuana was kept illegal purely for its detrimental effects, I would be satisfied, but as things are, it really appears that other interests are preventing its use for medical purposes, at least.

[DieHard]

words of wisdom from Henry J Anslinger, Commisioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics:

"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others.";

"The primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races.";

"Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death.";

"Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men.";

"Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing.";

"You smoke a joint and you're likely to kill your brother.";

"Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind."

Hm.. so racist..

[Chambahs]

Dust and acid are the most violence-causing drug, i know this first hand, i dont care what statistics say.

[Sketter]

You people have a lot to live.
It seems your lives are very well sheltered.

LazyBlaher
"I just read in the news paper a few weeks ago talking about how pot can be addicting for 15% of people"

And 80% of people who smoke tobacco find themselves addicted. And have you forgotten about AA?
You weren't thinking where you?

LazyBlaher
"it cause brain damage BIGTIME"

Over use of ANY substance causes damage.
You probably skipped my post on terminal illness that smoking and alcohol has.

Over using weed (as in everyday) can cause you mind to "slow" down.
These are people who chronically smoke it like if its a religion.
Same damages can occur with over use of alcohol.
alcohol is in your blood stream...do you think your brain doesn't react to it?
Why do you think your blurriness, mood disorder, light feeling, numbness, slurring speech, reaction reduced come from when drinking?
You don't think it doesn't kill brain cells too?

You body can only flush out a very small amount of alcohol per hour.
Drunk and weed have similar effects to being high, weed has a "cleaner" feel to it, and has less coming down side effects then drinking

Smoking has similar but very mild effects to the Brian.
Smoking is also used as relaxant. To loosen down when u feel stressed. Weed has a longer lasting effect. (depending on the amount in take)
And have you forgotten the hundred of chemicals used in tobacco?

Think about what is legal and why it even should be!

Alcohol is a substance, and so is smoking. Both additive, and over use can be life threatening. Weed can fall under the same category.

If the use of weed would be reduced to special occasions or events, such has alcohol "should" be, it could be considered part of the "party" life style.


Dr Brain
"Weed was legal at one point, but it was made illegal. There was a reason behind that, even if you won't admit it. The law is there to protect people, not to remove joy and happiness from the world."

Maybe you don't know exactly what a government is?
Well I will tell you. A government a nation wide company.
Their main goal is control and to make profit. They maintain control and profit by commercializing to the public, what they stand for and the good they will "try" to do.

Having that said Dr, Alcohol was illegal.....why did they reverse that?
If you can't stop the hole nation from doing something stupid, then join them and make money off them. If Bush decided that alcohol was to damaging and the only way they would stop the drunk driving and the killing was by making it illegal, you think everyone who is pro drinking going to vote for him? Fuck no, might as well be pro for it and add another tax bracket on it to make a better profit out of it. (As if taxing everything we buy already isn't enough)

You are forgetting the majority decision maker. And that is the majority rules. If they were to legalize weed, they can control and profit off it, and maintain votes, god dammit, they would.


You said they made it illegal for a reason, why don't u tell me why smoking and alcohol are legal.
The damaging effects are at the same rating as other legal substance.
I'm able to back up my statement, please, i want to hear yours.
I don't want to hear your brainwashed mind saying "well the law says so"
That isn't thinking for yourself. That is them telling you what to think.
Tell me with reason, why you think they are right, or wrong.

Sketter
Think outside the box, there is a hole new world.

[Muskrat]

[(Deactived B l a h e r)]

Sketter, you need to look something up before you go blobbing out stuff... I doubt you did since you weren't thinking that my nick would actually be "LazyBlaher".
About what you said MJ should be used for party occasions like alcohol, you can't make people to do that, my parents drink 24/7 (even though I don't get why) and do less damage to themselves then if they were drinking only a few in a occasion. When ever you do to much of something your body gets used to it, and unlike what you said about it doing big damage when it's used a lot, it would do more damage if you used it once a week then every day.
You also are arguing your self that it's used for religion, but yet you respond saying "think out side of the box", which would probably go against most religions. You need to learn the difference between state and church.
I also don't think the government bans things for money, they do help in health. As if you take example of smoking that they are trying to ban (which is going slow), they are only doing it to save people from second hand smoke, they would make more money if the tobacco industries were open.

If you really have a problem with our government, your options are as followed:
1. In the bill of rights it says people have the right to over throw the government if they're the majority (even though you shouldn't change something that works or only has a minor deflect).
2. Go do something and try to get people to legalize it (even though it won't work, but since your stupid enough to think weed is for Conservatives, you should try it)
3. GO MOVE TO CANIDIA YOU FUCKING MORON! I hope you die from liver infection and mental retardation!

So my final conclusion is go shoot your self and maybe god will let you smoke weed in hell, HAHAHA!

Also think how your parents smoked weed when your dad was pregnant with you and now because of that, you're mentally retarded.

P.s. Sorry for the melt down (and me being a idiot at the end, but "hey!" that's my style because I do weed), but I just so much of a fun time making fun of his long argument, about him complaining that he wants a toxicating substance to be legal so he can go ruin his one chance at his so called life.
Also sorry Brain for making you look like your on th foolish side, but now you have proof of what weed can do to you <----

[Chambahs]

You are a real fucking idiot, you need to calm down you 15 year old kid, because you dont know shit.

First off, it causes more damage if you do it everyday, because there is a thing called TOLERANCE, learn about it. The more you do it, the more you need to use to get high dumbass.

Second off your an idiot because you WROTE under guest login under "LazyBlaher". People like you make me sick to my stomach because you talk alot of shit about stuff you dont know about. And no, its not just this one time, its everytime you fucking post. Sure, i do it once in a blue, but who doesnt.

And your whole thing about the government being more interested in health than making money is total bullshit. Government spends trillions of dollars on weapons and spaceships, but for some reason they cant cure: Aids, HIV, Cancer, Blindness, ect ect.

The ONLY reason why ciggerates arent illegal is because the government makes billions of dollars off of it. They dont care for the people directly, they care for america's economy. I -think- i heard about bush "gambling" money on stocks with people's social security money or something of that sort, and if its true, then look at that example.

Now get away from weed, get on dope and crack and live a fucked up life asshole. Period, end.


Edited for brain.

[Dr Brain]

1.) Governments make money through taxes. The government cannot tax products that are purchaced illegally.

2.) Pharmaceutical companies make money through selling products. They do not make money from witholding drugs from people.

3.) Pharmaceutical companies, like all companies, donate money to politicians.

These are all facts.

These facts lead to the inescapable conclusion that the government and politicians would make more money from legal drugs than illegal ones.

P.S. Chambahs, learn how to use the enter key to format your posts. I have a feeling you may have touched on what I said here, but I honestly couldn't stand reading your whole post.

[Muskrat]

Votes are the currency of politics, Brain, and nothing gets more votes than a moral crusade.

Every war that America has been in was necessary to fullfill America's financial needs, yet every declaration of war centered on a moral issue because that is the best way to make a(using President Truman's words) "scare-the-hell-out-of-the-public" campaign, and by which generating the most support as well as destroying any opposition. In other words, financial interest dosen't get as many votes as a moral issue.

What better way to gain every parent's vote than to wage a war on the drugs that are being offered to their children?

I've been trying to tell people that legalizing things like marijuana and alcohol would help raise funds for years. As someone who lives in a dry county(yes, that means no alcohol can be sold without a very hard to obtain lisence) the benefits it could gain from the taxes on sales are obvious.

But how does it stay dry? Conservatives preach in nursing homes about drunk drivers, and gain these votes from people who are probably only Republican because they still hate Civil Rights.

This is ontop of the strange coincidence that 3 of the 4 establishments in town with a liquor lisence are owned by the same person who also owns half of the area's real estate.

In closing, I think America would be MUCH better off if they listened to the country's financial concerns that the bull about spreading democracy, but the facts are that they dont. You're right, money would be made if marijuana was legalized, but what conservative politician would stay in office if he turned around and agreed? This is just another example of the fact that American politics is run on special interest ISSUES, not long term goals or something like... dare I say... world peace.

And Jesus blah-er, I can't believe you thought Sketter was really saying that MJ was used for a religion. I'll pass on Cyan's advice.... learn comprehension skills.

[Sketter]

Speechless I am, but full of grins!!

( WARNING THIS POST IS LONG!)

I must have spark a fuse with you oh "LazyBlaher"
You retaliated with such strength, but when you really read over what you said, only people who have very little experience would buy your jabber.

First off, your the one unwilling to login and be lazy. I quoted to whom typed the words. So you earn the rights to LazyBlaher, and I refer to you as so.

I think your upset at me for taking what you said, and shoving it in your face. Well deal with it. Your posting nonsense on the forums that needs to be corrected. And so I will point them out when needed. You should take what I said and learn from it.

By the way, you still have not proved anything.
All I asked dear child was for you to do so.

LazyBlaher
About what you said MJ should be used for party occasions like alcohol, you can't make people to do that

I wasn't hinting or suggesting (let alone demanding) that weed should be a daily and routine activity.

LazyBlaher
my parents drink 24/7 (even though I don't get why) and do less damage to themselves then if they were drinking only a few in a occasion

Dear god, noooo!!
"Kids we have come across a new and exciting revelation. The more you do something, the less harmful it become.
My god, if we eat more fatty foods the less of a chance i will get fat.”

Your calling me a moron? Think about what you just said!!
Using your own theory, the more i do weed the less chance i have in loosing brain cells, and less dumber i will become.
Your helping me prove my case.
(Your still weren't thinking when posting again where you?)

Second, If your parents really do drink 24/7 I am sorry they are making a poor choice. I really am. But i hope you don't pick up from that.
Like Chambash said, "there is a thing called TOLERANCE, learn about it."
The more you do something the more you will get used to it. This doesn't necessarily mean that it isn't effecting you, it means it will take more of the substance before the feeling of "happy" kicks in.

I had a grandfather and an uncle die in their 50's because their liver gave out. It sure wasn't from not drinking enough. Unless your mom and dad want to live until their 50's, then by all means, drink like a fish.
School should be teaching you this stuff...doesn't gym do mandatory health classes?


LazyBlaher
You also are arguing your self that it's used for religion, but yet you respond saying "think out side of the box", which would probably go against most religions. You need to learn the difference between state and church.

You have got to be kidding me!! LOL

Muskrat said it best
And Jesus blah-er, I can't believe you thought Sketter was really saying that MJ was used for a religion. I'll pass on Cyan's advice.... learn comprehension skills.

LazyBlaher
I also don't think the government bans things for money, they do help in health. As if you take example of smoking that they are trying to ban (which is going slow), they are only doing it to save people from second hand smoke, they would make more money if the tobacco industries were open.

No no no,
(read what i type here carefully and slow, so you don't miss a word i say)

You see, in the past 50 years it has become an understanding that smoking is very harmful. The tobacco companies did their very best to hide what exactly was in the cigarettes. There are even recordings in court of them trying to buff their way around. They were forced to publicly show what is used in them. (now this is where Mustrat and I talked about when referring to the movement of the majority)
As this information become relevant, slowly (as you said) people minds began to change and look at smoking differently. Now right from the beginning of this information, you can see that what was being put in is absolutely WRONG, but nothing was done about it then. Everyone still ran to the store to buy a pack.
It should have been banned from day one. THAT would have been saving lives.
But politically why the fuck would u do something that stupid?
Do you have any idea the amount of money this addictiveness brings in?
You don't understand the word GREED then.
And no one wanted to give up their precious smokes then.
It is slowly being phased out because more and more of the newer generation have this information available to them, and being taught at a younger age that smoking is bad. Therefore they will grow up with that in their heads and want a smoke free life. If I'm a politician what is the best way for me to get their votes? Well? Start having no smoking sections, and banning smoking from bars and restaurants. And guess what, it works.
The baby boomer generation grew up with smoking in the house with a lot of presser to do it but had the information that it can kill you, but fell to the presser. That is why parents, relatives, friends say "don't smoke."
They know it's bad but they are already addictive. But are willing to submit to the restrictions to save their friends and loved ones from following in the same path.
So politically I'm doing well, and at the same time making money, money, money!!!
Sure there are good politicians that want to do good, and sure go for saving lives, but why would you want the hole nation hating you? You would be voted off your seat before you would have a law passed.
And why did it take over 30 years before anything was considered and done? Because we only started to care now. The younger generation grew up, and is now taking a stand, they are now the majority.

According to statistics, there are a lot of homosexuals in the stat of California, you think who ever legalized gay marriages got vote Browne marks for that?

So its about control first, to find a way to make money. Your 15, you'll soon learn the working of the real world.

LazyBlaher
If you really have a problem with our government, your options are as followed:
1. In the bill of rights it says people have the right to over throw the government if they're the majority (even though you shouldn't change something that works or only has a minor deflect).

This has been mostly explained above.

LazyBlaher
2. Go do something and try to get people to legalize it (even though it won't work, but since your stupid enough to think weed is for Conservatives, you should try it)

Again, explained above, and on a side note, you really have no idea how often weed is used.

LazyBlaher
3. GO MOVE TO CANIDIA YOU FUCKING MORON! I hope you die from liver infection and mental retardation!

I don't know of a "Canidia" unless you meant Candida, but I do know of a Canada, in fact I am Canadian and living in Canada. (And you came down on me for not looking your shit up, sheesh, at least practice what you preach.)

but just because I live up north doesn't mean i don't have an opinion. And I'm fee to express so. Besides some one has to keep you in line.

LazyBlaher
So my final conclusion is go shoot your self and maybe god will let you smoke weed in hell, HAHAHA!

LOL God didn't make weed illegal, that is a man made rule.
Your soo silly!!
God has ten commandments and bibles. Go review them. Being condole to hell for weed isn't one. Get a grip.

LazyBlaher
Also think how your parents smoked weed when your dad was pregnant with you and now because of that, you're mentally retarded.

Fetal Alcohol Syndrome causes mentally delay. And men can not be pregnant. You really don't have any facts do you?

If your going to reply to me at least have a good argument. Because right now I'm tearing you a new ass hole.

You are a perfect example of 15 year old kid who has been tough not to think for himself. Your parents drink and you don't know why and you don't even ask. Most kids go into the million question phase at the age of 3-4, and yet you can't come to terms to ask them why they drink 24/7...looks like your delayed.
You may think you have replied with a remarkable response but in fact you haven't. You haven't event come close. You couldn't come up with something logic. Your parents taught you that drinking everyday is better for you then drinking once in a while. You don't know the truth, you really, really don't!!!
You have shown ignorance and that is not fully your fault. You are young, and I to had the same thinking process you have, but I had to look beyond what I was told and see what is actually there. I have hopes you will learn more in your years to come. And if you don't, please don't go into politics.
Now sit down and be a good little boy.

So back to what I said before;
I don't want to hear your brainwashed mind saying "well the law says so"
That isn't thinking for yourself. That is them telling you what to think.
Tell me with reason, why you think they are right, or wrong.


Sketter
No more jabber!
P.S. Mustrat we agree on a few things

[Dr Brain]

There still has to be a reason people thought it was bad enough to outlaw it.

[Sketter]

[Muskrat]

[(Deactived B l a h e r)]

Wow, you guys actually believed that I believed in my statements; that's pretty funny! LOL
But I don't care what shit you tell me, because I'm doing weed and the only thing that matters right now is getting laid...

I think you guys are forgetting the most important factor of our government. Can you guess what it is? If you said education you're right (although it seems hard to believe)!

Here's how it works:

You have a highly educated nation.
Corporations move in to get ideas and leaders for their company.
You get more money for the government.
Taxes go up in the area for land value.
The higher the taxes the better the school system will do.
The better the school system, more corporations want to move in.
And it repeats the cycle over and over again.

If you have people smoking weed or any other drugs, well they're not going to do so well in education. (Don't give me shit that weed doesnt effect your brain, because just look at your self since you started it and I have tons of genius friends that started doing weed and now they are failing in school.)
So really the government can make more money if people care more about their education then getting high and fucking their brains up.
That's why in the first place that the government legalized pot (when they cared about us). So there's your proof, Brain.

By the way sketter, STOP CALLING ME "LazyBlaher", it's just silly (call me "StupidBlaher" if you want, I just used that because I deleted my cookies and didn't have time to log in.)

[Guest]

To see what weed can do to you "just look up"


-cg

[Die Hard]

[candygirl]

Nope I don’t do drugs. If you want to get a buzz “try slamming your head agents a brick wall. You will get the same effect.

[Guest]

your a dumb bitch candy!!

[candygirl]

rofl what a loser!