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Does that actually use the native Win32 stuff or does it just emulate it? If the former, then I didn't know about it, that's cool.
But we all know that I have other reasons to hate Java. 
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| Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Cyan~Fire wrote: | | Does that actually use the native Win32 stuff or does it just emulate it? If the former, then I didn't know about it, that's cool. |
Take a guess.
Though, there are ways to use use winAPI in java, its just a pain in the ass.
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| Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Cyan~Fire wrote: | | Does that actually use the native Win32 stuff or does it just emulate it? If the former, then I didn't know about it, that's cool. |
The AWT uses native calls in the JVM to use the actual OS widgets. This lead to many portability problems and so they invented Swing, but if you're only programming for one OS, the AWT isn't a problem.
As for the Swing look and feels, I know very little about their implementation, but in general, Swing is much easier to program and has tons of nifty classes that aren't implemented in the AWT.
| Cyan~Fire wrote: | | But we all know that I have other reasons to hate Java. |
We all know you think you do, at least 
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I've never seen a Java app of any kind that presents a reasonable looking GUI.
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| Mr Ekted wrote: | | I've never seen a Java app of any kind that presents a reasonable looking GUI. |
I've only seen one, Azureus. I don't use it, as btlaunchmanycurses and uTorrent are more useful for me. |
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| Mr Ekted wrote: | | I've never seen a Java app of any kind that presents a reasonable looking GUI. |
Most homegrown C++ UIs are pretty bad. And if you're a professional, you use C/C++ because you want to be forced to package a VM with your program. |
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| Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 12:51 am Post subject: |
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| Dr Brain wrote: | | Most homegrown C++ UIs are pretty bad. |
Not sure what you mean by this. If I write an app in C++, I use the UI of the operating system. |
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| Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 1:20 am Post subject: |
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| Didn't I just say you could use the OS's native UI in Java? |
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| Dr Brain wrote: | | Didn't I just say you could use the OS's native UI in Java? |
Yes you did. What does that have to do with writing a native UI app in C++? |
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Recap:
I say Java allows native looks
You say Java's look sucks
I say C++ is no better
You say at least C++ uses native looks
I'm now confused |
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Windows UI looks nice.
Various Linux UI look nice.
Mac UI looks nice.
All attempts by Java to make a nice non-native UI fail.
Using a platform-independent language like Java, but then specifically using native UI is pretty hypocritical. Therefore Java either sucks or is hyprocritical.
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I'll admit I couldn't stand the way swing looked until 1.5, though I don't use the default look and feel for stuff anymore. In my opinion, the use of the JGoodies Looks package in combination with the Abeille Forms Designer produces the best looking results.
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