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developer's and user's opinions of the .NET framework?
sure is nice to be able to use it... is the download a great deterrent for end users?
can it be embedded?
any opinions of the C# langauge? Will it last?
any experience with mono?(http://www.go-mono.com/)
dotGNU???(http://www.dotgnu.org/)

A side note(seriously threatening to posess this post like a freak from BodySnatchers):
What is the ultimate stumbling block for those who have attempted to write map editors?[/url]
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Mine GO BOOM · Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 4:48 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

I still have not installed the framework for any system I own, or almost any system I govern over. So far, it looks about like a bloated VB.

Its portage to non-windows systems is still very lacking, which make it not as practical in that sense. I'd personally still stick with java, as it is well proven, and works fine with everyone, except those who use Microsoft's VM, which is a pile of crap.

If you are looking to use this with a map editor, please note that most a lot of people will be moving over to using Linux for hosting, as ASSS runs so much nicer and is a much nicer platform to run a server off.

Helicon · Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 4:53 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

the java vm is a severe pain the arse when it comes to getting anything done quickly. Getting things done is a snap. I'm just afraid that performance will be my tragic flaw, and i won't be able to call up sun microsystems and get them to fix it... or list 900mhz+ cpu in the system requirements...

SuSE · Me measures good Joined: Dec 02 2002 Posts: 2307 Offline

do it in C++

the only people that have started making a new map/lvz/etc editor post-SSME/SSLED have been relatively inexperienced programmers

they probably run into a snag bigger than their determination can push through

CLE used some silly code/engine/something so even if it had been done it would've been a pain

SOS's was looking good, but he's apparently disappeared off the face of Estonia (

)
he was using C#

so -

do it in C++ for Windows and make the source available and people can compile it themselves for other OSs

Mine GO BOOM · Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 5:12 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Do it with a backbone of C/C++, which shouldn't be very hard, and then use OpenGL to display it if you want. It isn't all that hard to do. There are some very nice tutorials on how to use it. Plus it can teach you how to use a very powerful rendering tool, even if to only load bitmaps to the screen.

nintendo64 · Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 9:19 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Actually Object Pascal is good enough for a Subspace Map Editor, the problem is the used some component with DirectX 7 encapsulation to handle the display, which was very stupid because it was too slow to draw, plus DirectX 7?!?! what were they thinking, it's just a map editor not a game!, it could even had used GDI!.

-nintendo64

SuSE · Me measures good Joined: Dec 02 2002 Posts: 2307 Offline

I want a map editor written in actionscript

Helicon · Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 4:08 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

i can't afford the software

i seriously considered C# (genuine ms fo-java for MFC). But there's your .NET hell again.
i have seen OGL implementations of widgets, etc. They scare me (as ignorant as my ofservations have been).
In any case, I've got myself entrenched in java, so even if i do end up porting, it will probably be from java source. There is always GCJ as well, but i have had some unkind experience with its native compilations...

CypherJF · Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 3:59 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

I never learn graphical events w/ C++ and/or dont know pascal so Im working on VB6

and running strong w00t LOL.. laugh all you like but at least ill have my verrry own map editor

.. well once i figure out how to read/write maps lol... cheers to myself w00t! rotfl....... (yes i have gone mentally mad >

) lol... - cypher

Helicon · Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 4:08 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

vb sucks... no matter what version

SuSE · Me measures good Joined: Dec 02 2002 Posts: 2307 Offline

Helicon · Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 9:05 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

SuSE · Me measures good Joined: Dec 02 2002 Posts: 2307 Offline

bleh, I wouldn't bother with it myself - but I don't know much about it except that it's supposed to be a mix of C++ and the Java VM idea...which sounds odd, especially when Sun kicks total ass with how they handle Java

but no doubt the ignorant masses will flock to .NET (already have I guess) and Java will get fux0red

Dr Brain · Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 10:10 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

C# is the worst of both worlds. Its not cross platform like C++, and its slow like Java.
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Helicon · Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 10:31 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

slow at runtime not in development

SuSE · Me measures good Joined: Dec 02 2002 Posts: 2307 Offline

ya, that's how I was looking at it, Doc

they wanted best of both worlds but...lol just a retarded idea

the problem is that Microsoft doesn't need good ideas, they have their bullshit

Helicon · Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 11:06 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

if i could sell millions of people the same bullshit over and over until i end up filthy rich... id say that's enough good ideas

Dr Brain · Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 10:00 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

If Bill Gates got 5 cents for every time windows crashed.... say, do you think that maybe thats what happened?

Helicon · Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 7:30 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

can anyone recomend a framework (prefferably java-esque and cross-playtform, but native) for a c++ program???
this is a lot to ask... but heck, it might exist, right?

Smong · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 10:48 am *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Does this help?
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/7184/guitool.html

What about SDL?

Dr Brain · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 12:24 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Yes, there is SDL, it's not bad.

There is the gnome one, I think it's called GTK.

Lets not forget QT, as seen in KDE.

There are a couple OpenGL based ones out there.

Helicon · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 4:55 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

nice link...

Helicon · Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 10:58 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Helicon · Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 11:00 pm *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

btw, it will probably come at least preinstalled in the next incarnations of windows

Dr Brain · Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 9:49 am *Post maybe stupid* Post subject:

Yes, "longhorn" has a .NET command line. Sux don't it?