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Trash Talk - New Server

Mine GO BOOM - Sat May 26, 2007 11:20 pm
Post subject: New Server

The new server is built and is running Xen very stable right now. I filled in the contracts for the data center, got my key card and biometric scans done (since I'm an employee of the parent company, I get full access to everything, anytime), and am waiting for my IP request forms to be completed and for them to tell me the four IPs I requested. The server is located out in Las Vegas, so expect your pings to be what any good West coast server would be since they are a tier one provider (aka, multiple multiple-gigabit connections). I get a dedicated minimum 1mbps with burstable upto 100mbps. They already said the connection I'm sharing with is pretty empty (only 6 other servers), so I'm expecting it to always max out everyone's connection (even those Finns).

System Specs:

Intel Core 2 Duo E6300
3x 300GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.10
4x 1GB Wintec 800MHz DDR AmpX
Some shitty 1U case
Some good 300W power supply
Spare 16x CD-RW slimdrive

The computer will be called Saturn as a whole, with each Virtual Machine being named after different moons of Saturn.

Calypso - Dom0, the main OS booted into that controls Xen and all sub-machines. Running Gentoo 2.6.18-xen kernel.
Telesto - Internal firewall. For VMs that don't need their own dedicated IP, will forward ports to specific machines like anyone's router at home. Running m0n0wall v1.231, though I may switch to just running a stripped Gentoo with iptables.
Titan - Apache and MySQL. The main beast of the VMs. The forums and anything you guys will connect to will be through this. Using Gentoo, sharing whatever kernel the host is using (2.6.18-xen).
Janus - Exim4. Since emails are a good source of constant spam/viruses, figured it would be in my best interest to just give it its own VM instance.

There are others planned, but I'll leave that for later dates and surprises.

CypherJF - Sat May 26, 2007 11:52 pm
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Very sweet!

Doc Flabby - Sun May 27, 2007 7:37 am
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very nice

BDwinsAlt - Sun May 27, 2007 1:07 pm
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When you mentioned Calypso it reminded me of the Odyssey.

Great English class but after that we read To Kill a Mockingboird (which I hated).

Ahh the memories.

CypherJF - Sun May 27, 2007 1:28 pm
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Calypso reminded me of Pirates 3.

Blocks - Sun May 27, 2007 5:20 pm
Post subject: Cost

If you don't mind me asking, how much did that whole setup run you? (poker table excluded)

Mine GO BOOM - Sun May 27, 2007 5:52 pm
Post subject: Re: Cost

Blocks wrote:

If you don't mind me asking, how much did that whole setup run you? (poker table excluded)

Every part cost a total of $792.67 after shipping. It is running about four times faster than the main computer I use. I believe I'll enjoy it very much as a server. Bandwidth will be $60 a month, before taxes as it comes out of my paycheck directly which is nice.

Cyan~Fire - Mon May 28, 2007 12:58 am
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Mmmm that looks yummy.

The pics are nice but I can tell you just took them to show off your poker table.

Mine GO BOOM - Mon May 28, 2007 8:29 pm
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Cyan~Fire wrote:

show off your poker table.

Which is not a table, just a fold up cover that was only $10 and is now 4 years old. It just makes our smaller circle table larger, so we just leave it there. And the whole bottom was coming apart, so had to hotglue the thing back together.

But in those pictures, it does look pretty good. Trust me, it isn't like that in person.

L.C. - Tue May 29, 2007 3:37 am
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That server looks beautiful. Mind taking some exterior photos?

Solo Ace - Tue May 29, 2007 12:30 pm
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Yeah take a picture of the regular plugs and the plain front of the server!

BDwinsAlt - Tue May 29, 2007 12:53 pm
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Take a pic of solo so we can photoshop it and laugh.

Solo Ace - Tue May 29, 2007 5:43 pm
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I'm actually pretty sad right now, please do that later.

Besides, nice setup of VMs, didn't read that before.

I wanted to do such things too, just had no idea how.

Cerium - Tue May 29, 2007 5:47 pm
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That poker setup looks familiar. You didn't happen to take those pictures at my house, did you?

BDwinsAlt - Tue May 29, 2007 7:32 pm
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Girl issues?

Mine GO BOOM - Tue May 29, 2007 8:20 pm
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The picture we took of the back had bad lighting, so you can't really see much and had to adjust the hell out of the image. But you can see my hackish job of getting a serial port installed.

Got my IPs assigned today (server2a.mineplowers.com -> server2e.mineplowers.com), but don't have the whole internal networking setup so the server is still at my house. And with how I feel right now, will probably be here until Friday.

I plan on making a personal Wiki which I'll keep a written record of how i setup the system, along with a lot of other personal tutorials I've done for myself. In it, I'll have pretty much every command I used to setup the server. The bitch of the whole thing was having Xen boot off a LVM running on a software RAID5. Oh boy, was that init ramdisk a bitch to reverse engineer and figure out what the hell was fucking up.

Solo Ace - Wed May 30, 2007 1:53 am
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What? No, my mother died last saturday.

How do you feel right now, MGB?

Cerium - Wed May 30, 2007 4:08 am
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What'd you need the serial port for?

Doc Flabby - Wed May 30, 2007 10:12 am
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Cerium wrote:

What'd you need the serial port for?

The server won't have a moniter.

You need the serial port to remote reboot or access a terminal (so if you lock yourself out of SSH by accident you can still login) depending on what the setup it.

Cerium - Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:40 am
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What??

Mine GO BOOM - Tue Jun 05, 2007 2:19 am
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Server was successfully installed. Now to clone everything on the unixshell machine to the new Saturn machine.

If you want to see your ping times to Las Vegas, ping server2c.mineplowers.com (titan.mineplowers.com). That is the virtual machine running under the Saturn server, which is where the forums will live.

For my own usage, these are the ports the data center filters:

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25/tcp filtered smtp
135/tcp filtered msrpc
136/tcp filtered profile
137/tcp filtered netbios-ns
138/tcp filtered netbios-dgm
139/tcp filtered netbios-ssn
445/tcp filtered microsoft-ds
27374/tcp filtered subseven

BDwinsAlt - Tue Jun 05, 2007 10:10 pm
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My pings

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brad@brad-laptop:~$ ping -c 10 titan.mineplowers.com
PING server2c.mineplowers.com (208.67.185.188) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from unmapped.marquisnet.com (208.67.185.188): icmp_seq=1 ttl=52 time=81.8 ms
64 bytes from unmapped.marquisnet.com (208.67.185.188): icmp_seq=2 ttl=52 time=83.9 ms
64 bytes from unmapped.marquisnet.com (208.67.185.188): icmp_seq=3 ttl=52 time=111 ms
64 bytes from unmapped.marquisnet.com (208.67.185.188): icmp_seq=4 ttl=52 time=76.8 ms
64 bytes from unmapped.marquisnet.com (208.67.185.188): icmp_seq=5 ttl=52 time=97.0 ms
64 bytes from unmapped.marquisnet.com (208.67.185.188): icmp_seq=6 ttl=52 time=79.9 ms
64 bytes from unmapped.marquisnet.com (208.67.185.188): icmp_seq=7 ttl=52 time=79.9 ms
64 bytes from unmapped.marquisnet.com (208.67.185.188): icmp_seq=8 ttl=52 time=80.2 ms
64 bytes from unmapped.marquisnet.com (208.67.185.188): icmp_seq=9 ttl=52 time=79.9 ms
64 bytes from unmapped.marquisnet.com (208.67.185.188): icmp_seq=10 ttl=52 time=75.9 ms

--- server2c.mineplowers.com ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 8995ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 75.996/84.787/111.962/10.627 ms

CypherJF - Tue Jun 05, 2007 10:15 pm
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Pinging server2c.mineplowers.com [208.67.185.188] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 208.67.185.188: bytes=32 time=115ms TTL=48
Reply from 208.67.185.188: bytes=32 time=163ms TTL=48
Reply from 208.67.185.188: bytes=32 time=104ms TTL=48
Reply from 208.67.185.188: bytes=32 time=115ms TTL=48
Reply from 208.67.185.188: bytes=32 time=134ms TTL=48
Reply from 208.67.185.188: bytes=32 time=127ms TTL=48
Reply from 208.67.185.188: bytes=32 time=158ms TTL=48
Reply from 208.67.185.188: bytes=32 time=171ms TTL=48
Reply from 208.67.185.188: bytes=32 time=124ms TTL=48
Reply from 208.67.185.188: bytes=32 time=114ms TTL=48

Ping statistics for 208.67.185.188:
Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 10, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 104ms, Maximum = 171ms, Average = 132ms

Samapico - Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:32 pm
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Envoi d'une requÃªte 'ping' sur server2c.mineplowers.com [208.67.185.188] avec 32
octets de donnÃ©esÂ :

RÃ©ponse de 208.67.185.188Â : octets=32 temps=153 ms TTL=52
RÃ©ponse de 208.67.185.188Â : octets=32 temps=144 ms TTL=53
RÃ©ponse de 208.67.185.188Â : octets=32 temps=162 ms TTL=53
RÃ©ponse de 208.67.185.188Â : octets=32 temps=201 ms TTL=52
RÃ©ponse de 208.67.185.188Â : octets=32 temps=160 ms TTL=53
RÃ©ponse de 208.67.185.188Â : octets=32 temps=161 ms TTL=52
RÃ©ponse de 208.67.185.188Â : octets=32 temps=139 ms TTL=52
RÃ©ponse de 208.67.185.188Â : octets=32 temps=183 ms TTL=53
RÃ©ponse de 208.67.185.188Â : octets=32 temps=163 ms TTL=52
RÃ©ponse de 208.67.185.188Â : octets=32 temps=138 ms TTL=53

Statistiques Ping pour 208.67.185.188:
PaquetsÂ : envoyÃ©s = 10, reÃ§us = 10, perdus = 0 (perte 0%),
DurÃ©e approximative des boucles en millisecondes :
Minimum = 138ms, Maximum = 201ms, Moyenne = 160ms

from Montreal

Blocks - Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:09 am
Post subject: Ping statistics

From my server:

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blocks@subspace:~$ ping -c 8 titan.mineplowers.com
PING server2c.mineplowers.com (208.67.185.188) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from unmapped.marquisnet.com (208.67.185.188): icmp_seq=1 ttl=58 time=7.32 ms
64 bytes from unmapped.marquisnet.com (208.67.185.188): icmp_seq=2 ttl=58 time=7.27 ms
64 bytes from unmapped.marquisnet.com (208.67.185.188): icmp_seq=3 ttl=58 time=7.20 ms
64 bytes from unmapped.marquisnet.com (208.67.185.188): icmp_seq=4 ttl=58 time=7.04 ms
64 bytes from unmapped.marquisnet.com (208.67.185.188): icmp_seq=5 ttl=58 time=8.35 ms
64 bytes from unmapped.marquisnet.com (208.67.185.188): icmp_seq=6 ttl=58 time=9.08 ms
64 bytes from unmapped.marquisnet.com (208.67.185.188): icmp_seq=7 ttl=58 time=8.22 ms
64 bytes from unmapped.marquisnet.com (208.67.185.188): icmp_seq=8 ttl=58 time=7.06 ms

--- server2c.mineplowers.com ping statistics ---
8 packets transmitted, 8 received, 0% packet loss, time 6996ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 7.047/7.697/9.089/0.715 ms

And from my home connection:

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C:\Users\********>ping -n 8 -l 64 titan.mineplowers.com

Pinging server2c.mineplowers.com [208.67.185.188] with 64 bytes of data:

Reply from 208.67.185.188: bytes=64 time=53ms TTL=52
Reply from 208.67.185.188: bytes=64 time=55ms TTL=52
Reply from 208.67.185.188: bytes=64 time=52ms TTL=52
Reply from 208.67.185.188: bytes=64 time=71ms TTL=52
Reply from 208.67.185.188: bytes=64 time=62ms TTL=52
Reply from 208.67.185.188: bytes=64 time=51ms TTL=52
Reply from 208.67.185.188: bytes=64 time=61ms TTL=52
Reply from 208.67.185.188: bytes=64 time=53ms TTL=52

Ping statistics for 208.67.185.188:
Packets: Sent = 8, Received = 8, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 51ms, Maximum = 71ms, Average = 57ms

Both computers are in southern California.

Smong - Wed Jun 06, 2007 4:16 am
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Ping party!

Confess - Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:24 pm
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wholly, this seems to be going a LOT faster. like 10x.

cReEmY - Wed Jun 06, 2007 11:21 pm
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Confess wrote:

wholly, this seems to be going a LOT faster. like 10x.

It is

BDwinsAlt - Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:23 am
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I noticed it loads instantly for me. The other day it took a little while. Love ya MGB

Mine GO BOOM - Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:46 am
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Confess wrote:

wholly, this seems to be going a LOT faster. like 10x.

Well, before almost all the wait time was waiting for disk access. A 300Mhz processor is more than enough for the forums. Now, I have 100MB/s disk access dedicated just for me.

Maverick - Thu Jun 07, 2007 1:51 am
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yea I also sure love it.
I always like instant loading websites $

Mine GO BOOM - Thu Jun 07, 2007 2:01 am
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Using apache's little benchmarking tools, I've sent 100 concurrent connections to the site, and only 30% of the 1,000 pages loaded took longer than a second. Half got theirs back within 250 ms.

So those of you that were browsing before this post, you might have notice the Page Load number on the bottom being in the ~3,000 pages loaded in the previous 5 minutes. Yep, that was me spamming the hell out of apache. I'm done benchmarking it for now.

Maverick - Sun Jun 10, 2007 10:10 am
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MGB, I was wondering, would you be able to create more virtual images and have other people use them or even have them pay for it?
I would be interested if it isn't too expensive

Mine GO BOOM - Sun Jun 10, 2007 12:33 pm
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I am planning on it, but I seem to be having difficultly setting up the hvmloader to create virtual images of other OSes. The reason for that, is I'd like to put pfsense/m0n0wall as the virtual machine for Telesto, the firewall system. The reason for those choices is they have very nice user-based access, in which I can grant access to VMs based behind a NAT to allow them to open up ports for themselves.

Depending on how much resources is required, I don't plan on charging at all. The Hyperion image, which right now has its own dedicated IP (because I still have a spare), is getting 10G disk, 192M memory, and 1G of swap that he isn't to really use, but is there because, what the hell, I have 350G of disk space still unallocated. But, he only has access to one processor, so if he does do a spinloop or something on his machine, I still have a full processor to run Calypso (the Xen master/soft RAID) and Titan (forums/email/my stuff). [As an idea, the unixshell system ran on 192M, and still was under the memory requirement with apache/mysql/postfix/bind.]

I probably plan on doing the same for others. CypherJF is even running a Java VM on his server, and it is has spare memory. Once I get a better understanding of what all I will be running on the system, I will allocate the rest of the ~3G of memory unallocated right now on the system that is only being used for disk cache by Calypso. Roughly, almost the whole disk is cached in memory right now, either on the VM's allocation or Calypso.

Mine GO BOOM - Sun Jun 10, 2007 12:48 pm
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Anyone who would be interested in testing a VM behind VM system, go ahead and post here. A suggested layout for information that would be useful is as follows (quote it and remove the quote tags and these paragraphs).

Name is your name (sorry, I'll be naming your system). Description would be what you would use the system for (ASSS, MySQL, etc). Disk space is how much disk space you'd think you use, not what you want. I'll probably be giving at least 10G each, but if your purpose only needs 200M OS (average size for an X-less Linux) and 500M for ASSS + MySQL, only list 1G for your disk space. Distro choices can be anything free, such as Gentoo, Debian, Ubuntu, CentOS, FreeBSD, etc. Memory usage, assume 40M for your core OS, then start adding on for how much each application you plan on running uses. If you are unsure of the sizes, just list your estimates for each so I can see how you got to your total and determine if you miss-guessed.

Name:
Description:
Distro of choice:
Disk space:
Memory Usage:

Solo Ace - Sun Jun 10, 2007 1:22 pm
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Name: Solo Ace (I think? Or do you want my REAL name?)
Description: MySQL/Apache (PHP5 -> GD2)/FTPd if you'd allow that
Distro of choice: Gentoo
Disk space: 1G would be ok, but I guess I'd be better off with a few Gs more
Memory Usage: Nothing much, 512M (mostly swap) is more than enough

Hehe, I'd love to see how this goes.

Maverick - Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:29 pm
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Name: Maverick (I can give you more details by PM)
Description:I want to use it for running Continuum-related programs.
Software:
- Java
- Apache
- MySQL
- PHP
- Optional: Subversion
For exporting things from twcore.org I need Subversion but I can also use SVNKit which is a java svn-client.

Applications:
- a TWCore (Mem: +/- 50 MB, 100 MB max.)
- TWCore.org's javadoc (not a persistent process)
- Smong's news ticker (Mem: +/- 16 MB)
Distro of choice: Ubuntu/Debian
Disk space: 10G is more then enough
Memory Usage: Quite high but I think I should manage with 192MB.

Mine GO BOOM - Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:28 pm
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Let me note that you won't get your own IPs, but instead be behind a NAT like a home system. You'd just have access to a much faster connection. I probably should put in what ports you'd need.

Please note that memory is the most scarce resource on the system. So something like "Nothing much, 512M is more than enough" is a horrible estimate. As for applications you'd be running, you'd have your own VM. As long as you are not hosting porn, spamming, or anything to do with warez/viruses, it is all good. (IE: running bittorrent for free software is ok, for the latest TV shows is bad.) Remember, you have to be able to administer your own machine, I'm just going to setup the base system, network, and get you access to the console of the machine. You need to install SSH yourself.

Maverick - Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:56 pm
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Would you also provide a nameserver to use with the VM or can I use bind in my own VM (I don't know anything when it comes to nameservers) because I want to use a domain (ss-network.net) or two with the VM if that's possible?

Mine GO BOOM - Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:27 pm
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Hmm. Normally, I'd say you would be reponsible for it yourself, but then since you wouldn't be getting a real IP you can't do it yourself, as would conflict with others. I can setup a system for you to change your own domain's bind configurations, but it won't be as pretty as cpanel. Or if you want, can just setup a wildcard, so *.blah.com all gets forwarded to same IP, and can add exceptions when needed.

Remember, I'm not offering massive service. You won't get your own IP, but if 4 people want space for running game servers, and 2 people want to run Apache, I can overlap the two with port forwarding. And the service won't be permanent, so I'd recommend going with a shared host for webhosting. But no shared hosts will let you run a bot off their systems, and that is more for the idea of what I'm offering.

Confess - Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:14 pm
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Should I post my application here? I sent it in a PM.

Also, can you give us an estimate of how long you'll be offering it? (Perhaps if we paid?)

Mine GO BOOM - Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:32 pm
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Confess wrote:

Should I post my application here?

Nah, it is fine. You can if you want, as having them all in a central location make is easier.

Confess wrote:

Also, can you give us an estimate of how long you'll be offering it? (Perhaps if we paid?)

No idea. I plan on keeping this server connected forever, hence the reason I bought all the parts. But since the huge discount on the connection comes as an employee discount, I can't say there won't be an outage if I get a different job and either pay more a month or move to a different data center.

I don't really like the idea of charging money, as then more is expected of me in getting problems fixed, most of which I'd have no control over (someone screws up their VM, the packetloss/ping problems last week). As long as all the systems don't cause problems, I'd have no problem leaving them running as long as the system does. But I do want to stress, don't put anything that is critical on it (email, your main domain hosting).

Stupid qemu needing GCC3...

BDwinsAlt - Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:47 pm
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Fill all other request before mine, but if you have an extra spot after all this.

# Name: BDwinsAlt (Brad)
# Description: Biller + ASSS (2 dev zones max)
# Distro of choice: DamnSmallLinux (50 MB ISO File)
# Disk space: 250-300 MB should be plenty.
# Memory Usage: 192 MB is enough.

[Preferred server name: Adonis: In mythology, the handsome youth loved by Venus. ]

Like I said, if a spot comes available or if you just feel like adding another one then I would appreciate it.

Mine GO BOOM - Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:28 am
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BDwinsAlt wrote:

# Distro of choice: DamnSmallLinux (50 MB ISO File)

Uh, that is a shitty choice. You'd waste resources running an X server for no reason.

Confess - Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:47 am
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MGB, whats your paypal address?

BDwinsAlt - Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:37 am
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Mine GO BOOM wrote:

[..]

Uh, that is a shitty choice. You'd waste resources running an X server for no reason.

I was trying to save space. I guess Ubuntu?

Solo Ace - Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:50 am
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Mine GO BOOM wrote:

So something like "Nothing much, 512M is more than enough" is a horrible estimate.

That's swap included!
I think I'll be fine with 192M.

And uh, if others are going to request more than 5G, I'd just like to see 5G for me.

Mine GO BOOM - Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:39 am
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Confess wrote:

MGB, whats your paypal address?

BDwinsAlt wrote:

I was trying to save space. I guess Ubuntu?

Solo Ace wrote:

And uh, if others are going to request more than 5G, I'd just like to see 5G for me.

It is a good thing no one read my posts. I'll try and reword it a bit.

I am not, and will not, be accepting money for any services anytime soon. Want to donate money, I'm sure there are some nice cancer research out there or something.
I have tons of disk space, but I was more hoping for people to try and actually plan out what they would use, other than looking at as "hey, free service in which I might us for the first week only." If you plan on only using 400M for the project, just say that. I mentioned in my first post I'll probably give everyone 10G, if not more. I just wanted a reasonable expectation of how much you think you might use, not need.
Memory is the only limiting factor on the system. I have 4G total, and plan on using at least 2G just for myself. Which leaves 2G, and split that up around 200M a person, grants almost 10 VMs for people to play with. If someone plans on using the service to give others services (ie: confess hosting ASSS for others), they'd get more without a problem. If someone gets a popular zone and needs more memory, can upgrade without a problem. Upgrading is easy, downgrading isn't (ie: have to reboot the virtual machine, can upgrade 'live' with Linux VMs).
The distro you choose will be a completely stripped down version. It will have enough to boot to console, connect to the internet, and whatever package manager that distro has. Think most distro's server installs. Picking one over the other because it is "smaller" is false, as disk space isn't a problem, and they'd all be using the exact same kernel (how Xen works). The only difference between them is package managers, and where some config files goes.
If you've read any complaints I've had about Xen, its only problem right now is an unoptimized IO scheduler. Which means if a system is hitting the disk a lot, it does effect other systems on the machine. Processor and memory are handled very well, as multiple machines using 100% CPU does not drain from other systems badly at all (ie: recompiling whole Gentoo install of Titan still had Cypher's zone with low pings). You will all get tons of swap space, which I hope no one would need to use. It is there in case someone needs a good chunk of memory for a bit, so it doesn't crash your system. If your system is hitting the swap partition heavily, I'd either upgrade your memory, tell you to use less applications, or suggest buying your own hosting options elsewhere.

If you've never administered your own Linux server, I'd recommend first installing Virtual PC or VMware Player/Server and play around. If you've never used the command line in Linux, you will have difficulty with using what I'm offering. Install Ubuntu Server, Gentoo, or CentOS and give what you want to be hosted here a try. Setup a 10G disk with 192M memory, and install everything you plan on doing with my offer. See how much you actually use up, you'd be surprised how little servers really need when you don't run Firefox or a graphics interface.

Maverick - Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:08 am
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Mine GO BOOM wrote:

I'd recommend going with a shared host for webhosting. But no shared hosts will let you run a bot off their systems, and that is more for the idea of what I'm offering.

Agreed. All I want is to have a domain to access any web things I might have on my VM which surely isn't much at all. I'm surely not going to use the VM for some massive website(s), I have other web hosting for that

Confess - Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:00 am
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Dangit mGB, need I send money to random emails of yours hoping that it will land in a paypal account I WILL! lol

BDwinsAlt - Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:04 am
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I just like saving space. If I had to choose between two files, I would choose the one that is 10 kb less.

I'll try this again:

Name: BDwinsAlt (Brad)
Description: Biller + 2 ASSS zones
Distro of Choice: Ubuntu
Disk Space: 1GB Tops
Memory: 192 MB.

Smong - Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:11 am
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Well MGB it's great you have a new server, I haven't got any errors on the forums yet. Thanks for investing in SS.

Considering the ping is 2x compared to pretty much every other zone, why are people trying to put zones on this? Looking at my zone list only SSCT has a comparable ping (which I hope is only temporary seeing as it is an SSC zone). Sure I played with over 300ms back when 56k was popular, but I'm seeing people lagging all over the place with just 150ms these days.

Mine GO BOOM - Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:02 am
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Smong wrote:

Considering the ping is 2x compared to pretty much every other zone, why are people trying to put zones on this?

Because not everyone has to cross an ocean and then the whole of the US? Las Vegas, NV has good pings for the West Coast people, a group that I never cared about until I moved to the west coast.

Can't really do anything when MCI has lines that take a while (72 ms from NV -> DC, 76 ms from USA -> UK). To my parents in PA, I'm getting sub 100ms pings.

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1: unmapped.marquisnet.com (208.67.185.188) 0.078ms pmtu 1500
1: unmapped.marquisnet.com (208.67.185.185) 0.624ms
2: ge-00-csr1-0201.bcr2.lv1.marquisnet.com (71.4.56.6) 0.449ms
3: GigabitEthernet4-3.GW2.VEG2.ALTER.NET (157.130.229.137) 0.978ms
4: 130.at-6-0-0.XR1.LAX9.ALTER.NET (152.63.115.42) asymm 5 9.174ms
5: 0.so-3-0-1.XT1.LAX9.ALTER.NET (152.63.115.158) asymm 6 9.071ms
6: 0.so-7-0-0.IL1.DCA6.ALTER.NET (152.63.9.193) asymm 7 81.331ms
7: 0.so-1-0-0.IR1.DCA4.ALTER.NET (146.188.13.38) asymm 8 81.217ms
8: so-6-1-0.TR1.LND2.ALTER.NET (146.188.4.81) asymm 9 157.854ms
9: so-5-0-0.XR2.LND2.ALTER.NET (146.188.7.229) asymm 10 156.208ms
10: pos0-0-0.gw3.lnd2.alter.net (158.43.233.109) 156.241ms
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Solo Ace - Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:53 pm
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Yeah, make a donation for cancer research.

Well I might be using 10G MGB, I just thought "heh, I don't know if I should use it for hosting pictures".
Shit, my eyes didn't even see that line I guess. Sorry.

Well, I have a freebsd box running in Amsterdam at a friend's house at 64M and 2GB just for a silly shell. Haha, pretty nifty.

Confess - Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:48 pm
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SST/SSCT is based in LA in the Krypt.com datacenter for the current moment.

Pings would be about the same.

Muskrat - Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:13 pm
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ah HAH! I knew Smong was a brit!

Anonymous - Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:21 pm
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Solo Ace wrote:

Yeah, make a donation for cancer research.

They already found a cure for some types of cancer. They put it in a pill form, but they couldn't make money off of it somehow. Chemotherapy makes doctors a lot of money. Go figure. Gotta love politics.

Animate Dreams - Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:16 pm
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BDwinsAlt (On Moms Comp) wrote:

[..]

They already found a cure for some types of cancer. They put it in a pill form, but they couldn't make money off of it somehow. Chemotherapy makes doctors a lot of money. Go figure. Gotta love politics.

You know, I've noticed that you seem to fall for a LOT of the common rumors. This one is also a rumor, btw. Don't believe everything you hear.

BDwinsAlt - Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:28 pm
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So global warming is true?

j/k

Solo Ace - Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:48 am
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BDwinsAlt (On Moms Comp) wrote:

When I need your "Hi! Look! I'm BDwinsAlt. I pretend to be smart by making stupid comments!" comments, I'll tell you. Hmm'kay?

Muskrat wrote:

ah HAH! I knew Smong was a brit!

He's from Poland actually, just using a British VPN server as proxy for his connection.

BDwinsAlt - Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:31 am
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Just spreading the things I hear, solo.

Confess - Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:06 am
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...

You youtube for that crap BD? Wth? lol

Animate Dreams - Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:56 am
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BDwinsAlt wrote:

Just spreading the things I hear, solo.

whatwhatrolled =\

Mine GO BOOM - Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:44 pm
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I'm wasting a good bit of time trying to get this damn hvmloader working. So now I'm going with screw it, I'll manually forward ports instead.

Hopefully tomorrow, I'll get my second internal bridge all setup nicely, and being with the process of creating some blank images for you guys. After that, I'll go about setting up a squid proxy running in reverse, which in other words means that it can look at the domain that is being loaded, request the correct VM, and then forward that out. This will allow more than a couple of people running things on port 80 to work together. But then again, this is another system that I'd either need to make scripts for you guys to access changes, or I'd have to do it by hand.

Animate Dreams - Wed Jun 20, 2007 12:34 pm
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Woo, thanks for this https login. It isn't blocked by the filter at work. Last year I had a login to a different network, so I didn't have to worry about it. They have a relly strict filter too, I'm surprised something this simple works. It doesn't work on a block list, they just have an Excel document set up with the list of domains they allow( http://webfiles.vzwcorp.com/departments/it/infosec/internet/sites.xls ). They DO allow all .edu sites, so I was hoping to find a proxy with .edu, but it looks like I won't need it. I wonder if all sites with https work? I'll check that now....

Solo Ace - Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:09 pm
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Blaaaa, crap, I ran out of space on my current webhost.

Mine GO BOOM - Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:19 pm
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Solo Ace wrote:

Blaaaa, crap, I ran out of space on my current webhost. :(

Ahh.. to have my own server. I have plenty of unallocated space (using LVM for VMs' disks):

Code: Show/Hide

calypso ~ # lvs
LV VG Attr LSize Origin Snap% Move Log Copy%
hyperion vgraid -wi-ao 10.00G
hyperionswap vgraid -wi-ao 1.00G
images vgraid -wi-ao 30.00G
janus vgraid -wi-a- 10.00G
janusswap vgraid -wi-a- 1.00G
root vgraid -wi-ao 10.00G
rootswap vgraid -wi-ao 1.00G
telesto vgraid -wi-a- 2.00G
telestoswap vgraid -wi-a- 1.00G
titan vgraid -wi-ao 200.00G
titanswap vgraid -wi-ao 1.00G
calypso ~ # pvs
PV VG Fmt Attr PSize PFree
/dev/md2 vgraid lvm2 a- 558.71G 291.71G

Still working with setting up how I want to do the private LAN running behind Telesto (right now, Gentoo using iptables). Work / looking for a house are taking up my time right now.

Animate Dreams - Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:09 am
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You know, I wish I knew what the hell you were talking about with VMs and Xen, it sounds really fun.

Mine GO BOOM - Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:41 am
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Ever play with VMware Player or Virtual PC? Those are front-ends for running virtual machines on your machine. They are nice for testing and running applications on different OS than your primary, but are not that strong for running multiple VM at once.

VMware Server, which is free, can let you run OSes always in the background, and attach and detach from the system's console anytime you want, just like using Remote Desktop or VNC. A nice feature of VMware Server is to have it start up upon booting, so you can run Windows 2003 Server and have a real domain up and running when you log into the physical machine.

Xen works upon the idea of instead of virtualizing everything, all of the Linux kernel is open. If you work with the kernel, you can have the VM itself handle itself. This gives you a nice speed boost, since you don't need to capture tons of system calls to hardware. Xen does let you virtualize everything, but only if your processor supports it in hardware. Sadly, to get this to work with my current machine requires Qemu, which can only be compiled with GCC3. Setting up GCC3 sucks, though I could compile from a different machine and just copy the package over.

So for now, I am only doing the Xen kernel virtual machine method. To get the private network running, I'm just setting up a Gentoo machine with iptables and two fake network cards. One attaches to the real one (to get 3 real IPs) and the other attaches to a internal bridge, which other VMs attach to to get a private IP.

Roughly, I'm building a complete network (router, switches, and multiple machines) inside one physical box. Others around me who have seen my sketches of the internal networking call me crazy, especially when I get into the details of running LVM over RAID5 for my root partition and having to add an extra bootstrap step into the normal booting process of the system (since to boot the LVM+RAID5 requires data on the LVM+RAID5 itself).

BDwinsAlt - Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:12 pm
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I had no idea it was that complex. I call you crazy, too.

You've done everything right so far. I can see you accomplishing all this and owning the guys (including myself) who called you crazy.

Off-topic: I just got a job at McDonalds XD.
It's my first job and it will get me to Germany.
They pay more there than they do at a lot of popular places where everyone else thinks is cool. WillyT's is a fastfood place but people make less there but it's cool to work there. Winn-Dixie (grocery store) pays less.

I'll be flipping hamburger, but I'll be making enough money to go to Germany.

All that praying finally paid off. Now I have to try to communicate with the people working there. I get to learn a second language.

Animate Dreams - Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:26 pm
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I got my job, too. It's an internship at Verizon Wireless, in the Network department, which isn't what it sounds like... Network as in the network of cell sites, not computer networking. It pays awesome, 16.40$ an hour, but it takes up all my time. =\ But why Germany? You should go to Dutchland(I forget where those Dutch live) and visit Solo. Besides, Dutch is a much better language than German. Easier, too, as long as you don't get into dialects. Unfortunately, all I can do in Dutch is tell people that they are sitting on various objects. =\

Cyan~Fire - Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:50 pm
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Animate wrote:

You should go to Dutchland(I forget where those Dutch live) and visit Solo.

Ummmm on Solo's post above it pretty clearly lists "The Netherlands".

And I'm jealous of how much you're making.

I got a job at a Digital Imaging Company which is nice, but only $10/hr.

Oh, and I heard from my sister (who worked there) that nobody at McDonalds "flips burgers" anymore, it's just automatically cooked on both sides or something. Can't use that expression now.

blue monday - Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:13 pm
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Have you seen your walls? Jesus, put a picture up.... or get a woman.

Animate Dreams - Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:06 pm
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Cyan~Fire wrote:

And I'm jealous of how much you're making. :-(

Oh, and I heard from my sister

Oh, looks like I'm jealous of you, too. I'll tell you what - I'll trade you my pay for your sister.

BDwinsAlt - Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:39 pm
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If I said NL then my parents would think I wanted to just get high all the time. I like the German people better (No offense to solo). When I move to Germany (I hope) I will travel to NL and visit solo. By then I will have grown up so I won't be an annoying brat.

Solo can you teach me a few useful Dutch phrases?

Example: I lost my passport

Confess - Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:48 pm
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Is it possible (at all) to install a windows VM or anything?

BDwinsAlt - Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:58 pm
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You can install any kind of VM. I used VMWare to run Linux and Gameplay used VMWare to run Windows. It's easy. MGB is different because he runs his stuff off one Kernel. I don't think you can do anything like that with Windows except create different users. (Which you can do on Linux). It's not the same though.

MGB put a lot of effort into this. It seems to be working correctly so far.

Animate Dreams - Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:03 am
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BDwinsAlt wrote:

I like the German people better

Well, they don't like you. No, seriously. Most Germans hate Americans. Not as bad as the French, or anything, but the Germans are very weird about race. I know a guy who is American, but spent most of his life in Germany(from ages 2-19), then came back to America, and promptly joined the Navy, or something like that. But when he goes to Germany and talks to strangers, they call him German. When he corrects them and tells them he is American, they correct him and tell him he is German. Very weird. =\ I guess it's kind of like how Bill Cosby and Stevie Wonder are White in my mind.

BDwinsAlt - Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:16 am
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These people are used to exchange. I know an idiot redneck who went to a theme park (filled with Germans because of Mercedes-Benz plant) with me and was using a lot of slang and stuff with them. He was like "Well they were white, so I figured they were American." Awesome assumption because most workers there are German (the ones working the concessions). He was a football player, Imagen that.

Isn't the entire continent of Europe white? (and parts of Asia because of Russia).

Anyway... If I don't act like a retarded American, and I actually try to use their language, maybe they won't hate me. The Germans who came here knew how to speak English very well. I don't want to rely on others in a foreign country to speak my language though. It's my responsibility to be able to communicate with the language spoken by the rest of the people. (Hope this doesn't turn into an immigration issue)

<3 Germany
</3 France

Maybe if I show my hatred of France they will accept me. They were wrong to put Germany through what they did. 40 trillion w/e in currency to equal one US dollar. Talk about a depression. The US wines about our Great Depression. Europe had it worse.

Cyan~Fire - Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:25 am
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@You two: WTF?

Mine GO BOOM - Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:37 am
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Mine GO BOOM wrote:

Xen does let you virtualize everything, but only if your processor supports it in hardware. Sadly, to get this to work with my current machine requires Qemu, which can only be compiled with GCC3. Setting up GCC3 sucks, though I could compile from a different machine and just copy the package over.

BDwinsAlt wrote:

I don't think you can do anything like that with Windows except create different users.

Xen + an Intel processor with a VT flag (which mine does) can virtualize any OS. The only difficulty is that it requires another tool because it doesn't do it natively yet, and that other tool is the bitch of the setup.

Confess - Fri Jun 22, 2007 4:40 pm
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So, would you be willing/able to install windows? Or Linux only?

Mine GO BOOM - Fri Jun 22, 2007 4:57 pm
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Confess wrote:

So, would you be willing/able to install windows? Or Linux only?

If someone pays for the license, possibly. But it is a big waste of resources.

BDwinsAlt - Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:52 pm
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You can wine your biller and subgame.
You don't have to have Windows.

Confess - Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:37 pm
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How much is the license? From SWSoft, a friend of mine said its $5/m for the windows and virtouzzo

Mine GO BOOM - Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:33 am
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Confess wrote:

How much is the license?

You buy Windows. So whatever price you pay for it. Your friend is renting someone else's license.

I do have tons of spare Win98 licenses, but nothing NT based.

Confess - Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:14 am
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I've got a windows NT 2000 cd key, which I do believe is also usable with server. Perhaps we could try it?

Animate Dreams - Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:14 am
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Unfortunately, Windows CD Keys aren't necessarily transferrable. For example, XP allows you to install it on one system, and they limit the amount of devices and device changes you can have. In reality, it will let you install it on 3 different systems, however, those 3 different systems can all be the same computer. It's kind of confusing, and I don't completetly understand what you can and can't do. All I know is, if that spare key has been used before, then chances are it's not legal to transfer.

Yes, I do read EULAs.

Mine GO BOOM - Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:08 pm
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Animate Dreams wrote:

Unfortunately, Windows CD Keys aren't necessarily transferrable.

OEM are only transferable if your main system breaks. Otherwise, it is legally tied to that system. Retail editions let you install it to anything, as long as it is installed only on one system at a time.

So to legally install it to a new system, you need to wipe the key (or the disk) from the previous system, even if you plan on never turning it on or it is only one a hard drive not even plugged in.

Confess - Sun Jul 01, 2007 3:18 am
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Thats not true with Win2000. Aside from that, this is a CD key that is valid for several computers, legally.

Animate Dreams - Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:34 pm
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Mine GO BOOM wrote:

[..]

OEM are only transferable if your main system breaks. Otherwise, it is legally tied to that system. Retail editions let you install it to anything, as long as it is installed only on one system at a time.

So to legally install it to a new system, you need to wipe the key (or the disk) from the previous system, even if you plan on never turning it on or it is only one a hard drive not even plugged in.

I really don't think that's true, from what I remember. But I don't care enough to look it up, so whatever.

Solo Ace - Tue Jul 03, 2007 2:28 am
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IK BEN MIJN PASPOORT KWIJT!!!

"I am my passport lost", is what that'd mean in English, literally.

Say that to a Dutch officer and he'll lock you up 4lyfe.

It's called Dutchland.

@blue monday: what the...?

Alexa used to work at McDonald's, haha, I'm not sure if the flipping there works automatically.
She used to get mad at me when I said "they should automate the baking processes at the big restaurants, they'd be able to save so much on those crappy uneducated people", because "Those poor losers need to have work too!!!".
Well, they can clean the machines then, damnit.

Anyway, how can you say German people are nicer than Dutch people? That's like saying "my toothbrush is faster - in a lower gear - than your toothbrush!".

Don't act like you hate people here. That's just dumb. And yeah, Europe's mostly white. Except, we got some Morrocan trash here too. As if we didn't have enough trash ourselves.

As I don't do drugs I wouldn't really care about the weed and the coffeeshops. The red light district in Amsterdam is simply disgusting, but I guess losers need to get laid too.

I don't know which country is most interesting. I'll just move to Belgium I guess. So I can laugh at their silly language and insult them by trying to fix their insane logic.
I warn you, if you ever go to Belgium, take a guide. They're crazy, seriously! Their English sucks ass, just like their Dutch, lol.

According to Alexa, Europe's super-boring and everything's 10x smaller than in the US. But then again she just likes to whine about everything.

Muskrat - Tue Jul 03, 2007 2:57 am
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So I take it you and alexa are still tiki tiki? Zing zang doodle doot.

I might go to Amsterdam in a few weeks. Got any suggestions for other cities to visit in europe?

Cyan~Fire - Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:45 am
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According to Solo, Alexa's a pretty crappy person. But then again, he doesn't stop going out with her.

Solo Ace - Sun Jul 08, 2007 4:38 pm
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So... MGB, did this project get started yet?

BDwinsAlt - Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:07 pm
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He is probably waiting on the passport... he is his passport lost.

Solo Ace - Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:45 pm
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Seriously? Ik ben mijn paspoort ook kwijt.

Well, not really.

Mine GO BOOM - Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:53 pm
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Solo Ace wrote:

MGB, did this project get started yet?

Work, getting a new house, and having family visit for a week is sort of taking up a good chunk of my time. I have everything in place, but need to just dedicated an afternoon to convert everything to the private VM IP network. Then I can setup new machines with ports forwarding in around 10 minutes each, and most of that time is involved in uncompressing disk images.

Animate Dreams - Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:34 am
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Solo Ace wrote:

Seriously? Ik ben mijn paspoort ook kwijt.

Well, not really.

Aa! Jij zit op mijn passport!