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Hi-Tec+ - Mon May 08, 2006 10:38 pm
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Chambahs - Tue May 09, 2006 1:13 pm
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Why? You're not bone thugs and harmony, and chances are, you dont smoke weed...

newb - Tue May 09, 2006 3:04 pm
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Same applies to you too, Chambahs.

(Deactived B l a h e r) - Tue May 09, 2006 5:30 pm
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The only reason people smoke weed, is because they first try it, it screws up thier brain, and they become to retarded to understand they're fucking them selfs up.

Solo Ace - Tue May 09, 2006 5:47 pm
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It takes one to tell, blah-er.

Why does everyone whine about 'weed' and 'drugs'?
It's not like it makes anyone cooler or something, just get over it and shut up about it.

Hi-Tec+ - Tue May 09, 2006 7:40 pm
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I put it like this, you only live once so.............

baseball43v3r - Wed May 10, 2006 1:41 am
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weed should be legalized...the drug problem isnt going away and the benefits far outwiegh the risks. weed is as common these days as everything else, if someone wants to get ahole of it they can so why stop them? if u make it legal u can at least regulate it and TAX it to help fund the rest of the war on drugs. why spend 200 billion on a drug war that u can't win and that is an ever growing "problem"?

Muskrat - Wed May 10, 2006 1:46 am
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Umm, last I heard weed is healthy. Personally, when I do it I feel more motivated and it often compells me to exercise. Also, for doing physics problems I sometimes cannot imagine it in my head without pot, really helps the spatial skills.

Anonymous - Wed May 10, 2006 10:18 am
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baseball43v3r wrote:

You really should take that public, that is true.

newb - Wed May 10, 2006 12:07 pm
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Muskrat wrote:

Umm, last I heard weed is healthy.

Yeah, and you're correct and wrong. Weed has side-effects as well. (Most notably: schizophrenia)

Weed has been known to:
- Relieve migraine headaches
- Stop the advancement of glaucoma
- Control spasticity from multiple sclerosis (MS) and paralysis
- Alleviate nausea and pain associated with cancer chemotherapy treatments.
Also helps in other cases of severe nausea
- Block epileptic seizures
- Help emphysema patients breathe better, increasing their oxygen
transfer
- Help in the treatment of smog-related illnesses
- Relieve the pain of arthritis and rheumatism and help other chronic
pain diseases
- Help in anorexia nervosa and other loss of appetite diseases
- Work as a back spasm medicine. Marijuana is the best relaxant of
muscles short of morphine
- Relieve asthma attacks and improves breathing
- Help people with AIDS relieve stress and depression, reduce pain,
eliminate nausea, stimulate appetite
- Help skin diseases, like pruritis
- Help depression and other mood disorders and can be an adjunct
to psychotherapy
- Help overcome insomnia, deepen sleep
- Help paraplegia and quadriplegia patients
- Help alleviate the symptoms of withdrawal from alcohol and narcotics
- Have antimicrobal and antibacterial effects
- Cure fistulas, corns, and fibrosis when used in a poultice

Dr Brain - Wed May 10, 2006 12:11 pm
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Saying weed is helthy is like saying Penicillin is healthy. There are cases where it can help, but if you take it when you're not sick, you're gonna screw yourself.

Hi-Tec+ - Wed May 10, 2006 1:41 pm
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What can weed do to your body thats wrong? Headaches is all I know

Chambahs - Wed May 10, 2006 4:18 pm
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The biggest thing that weed causes is....

EMPTY POCKETS!!!!!!!!

I know this from experience. (cries)

Solo Ace - Wed May 10, 2006 4:32 pm
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I agree with Brain. I reject offers from friends to join them in their smoking, just because there's no point for me in smoking it.
Some idiots think it's "cool" when people smoke it.
In this country people actually get amazed when you tell them you don't use any kind of drugs.
Well, I use some kind of very unhealthy drug, but we can't get rid of women I guess.

I don't think weed can cause schizophrenia, rather temporary psychotic episodes.
It all depends on how sensitive people are to the drugs, and if there are any underlying disorders.

AFAIK schizophrenia cannot be caused by one factor like drugs. I do believe weed can trigger it, though, as that's what I've seen happen to someone.

I'd discourage someone to use any type of these drugs, even if it's for a "healthy" purpose.
But... whatever, if you need drugs to make you feel good... go ahead.

Chambahs - Wed May 10, 2006 6:29 pm
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Ill be taking ex tomarrow for my b-day probably, lets see how bad i trip on it

MY FIRST TIME! cant wait

Cyan~Fire - Wed May 10, 2006 6:56 pm
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Weed also makes you stupid. I know of no scientific evidence of this, but I do see people who smoke/have smoked in the past.

i88gerbils - Wed May 10, 2006 8:01 pm
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I remember hanging out at a friend's place several years ago. They were all doing E and I had my six pack of beer. It was funny to watch them. If I was a bit more inebriated I would have started to conduct psychological experiments on them to see what their reactions would be. However I decided I didn't want to deal with it and I just watched them gnawing on straws or whatever they can find. It was hard to keep from laughing.

LearJett+ - Wed May 10, 2006 9:02 pm
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Cyan~Fire wrote:

Weed also makes you stupid. I know of no scientific evidence of this, but I do see people who smoke/have smoked in the past.

Perhaps stupid people are more inclined to smoke weed -- not necessarily that it makes people stupid.

Confess - Wed May 10, 2006 10:51 pm
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For all of the benefits that there are, however, im sure that there is a healthier alternative. Not to mention that there is probably a way to convert the factor in the weed that helps you, into something that wont have the same side-affects.

A glass of wine has showm to help people, however you can get the same benefits from drinking a glass of Grape Juice, but without the alchohal.

Muskrat - Wed May 10, 2006 10:59 pm
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Solo Ace wrote:

Well, I use some kind of very unhealthy drug, but we can't get rid of women I guess.

Oh, whadda you know?

Cyan~Fire wrote:

Weed also makes you stupid.

I happen to know both physics majors AND professors who recommend smoking in order to conceptualize some of the modern physics things... although I deny that it makes you stupid, I dont deny that some of these people are a bit schizophrenic.

I would assert that weed-related problems are like most computer problems... 99% of them are due to the user, not the boat.

Chambahs - Wed May 10, 2006 11:36 pm
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I know a couple of people who smoke weed and are geniuses...litterally, guy from highschool was the biggest pothead ever and i heard now hes in yale....he got the biggest and best scholorships in highschool, was at the top of the track stars also...

Dr Brain - Thu May 11, 2006 12:44 am
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Imagine how good he would have been without drugs

Killerbot NL - Thu May 11, 2006 7:56 am
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baseball43v3r wrote:

weed should be legalized...

It's legal over here, in the Netherlands

Cyan~Fire - Thu May 11, 2006 11:06 am
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Lear wrote:

Perhaps stupid people are more inclined to smoke weed -- not necessarily that it makes people stupid.

Nah, there are a few examples of people that could actually organize things such as their rooms and could even computer program. Not now. I guess that's it, it doesn't make you dumb all around, your right brain gets smarter and your left gets dumber.

Muskrat - Thu May 11, 2006 12:29 pm
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So we're settled, it should be avaliable by presciption to all currently left-brain people for a bit of evening out.

Cyan~Fire - Thu May 11, 2006 9:09 pm
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Isn't it better to specialize? If everyone was balanced (or leaned to the right), the world would never get anywhere.

Dr Brain - Thu May 11, 2006 9:48 pm
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I would just like to point out that brains don't actually work like that.

Muskrat - Thu May 11, 2006 11:38 pm
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Oh and WHO'S the conservative talking about the world not getting anywhere?
Sure, Plato says that specialization is the key to a Just life, but then again he would have something to say about your religion...

And yes, that is quite true brain.

Anonymous - Fri May 12, 2006 9:27 am
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most people smoke weed because it relax them

Die Hard - Fri May 12, 2006 10:11 am
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hitec wrote:

most people smoke weed because it relax them

Thats one of the reasons i smoke

i88gerbils - Fri May 12, 2006 1:19 pm
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When I need to relax I sleep or shoot things in Half Life.

Hi-Tec+ - Fri May 12, 2006 4:21 pm
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i88gerbils wrote:

When I need to relax I sleep or shoot things in Half Life.

It want relax you like weed would tho

Anonymous - Fri May 12, 2006 4:23 pm
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Wee makes me feel like this

Cyan~Fire - Fri May 12, 2006 7:04 pm
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I'm happy for you.

And yes, I know, I just use the left-brained/right-brained thing for simplicity's sake.

And I have no clue what you're babbling about Muskrat. It must be the pot.

D1st0rt - Fri May 12, 2006 8:07 pm
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A hookah is a much more legal way to get a little mellow going, I have some friends that do that fairly regularly.

Cyan~Fire - Fri May 12, 2006 8:51 pm
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As far as I know, a hookah does not get one high by itself. What do they fill it with?

Muskrat - Sat May 13, 2006 2:02 am
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Never heard of an oxygen bar? You should get out of your cave.

Perhaps the mold of stagnation fills your brain more than any pot or tobacco(yes, it is most likely flavored tobacco that d1s is referring to).

Cyan~Fire - Sat May 13, 2006 10:27 am
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Even if it's oxygen, you're still filling it with something.

Muskrat - Sat May 13, 2006 6:47 pm
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Oxygen is good. Flavored oxygen is better. Tobacco and flavored tobacco is also good. All is legal. All is relaxing.

candygirl - Sun May 14, 2006 10:19 am
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Side Effects are
influence the mind and body
Increased likelihood for accidents
legal problems
work and financial problems and troubles at home
toxic psychosis including hallucinations, delusions and a loss of self-identification
breathing difficulties
deteriorating physical abilities
speed up the heart, blood and breathing rate
speeds up the aging process just like methamphetamines do
marijuana side effects from this extra exertion on the body include a higher risk for lung cancer, heart attacks and strokes.
obsessive thought with the drug

Marijuana side effects also wreak havoc on the brain when the drug is used habitually. The natural chemical balance of the brain is disrupted affecting the pleasure centers and regulatory systems. The ability to learn, remember and adapt quickly to changes is impaired by marijuana use. Depression often occurs with marijuana usage, which feeds into the cycle of more drug use to treat the pain created by drug use. This cycle of addiction is very powerful and users soon find that they cannot stop using the drug even if they want to.

Chambahs - Sun May 14, 2006 12:40 pm
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Thanks for the health lesson candy

Cyan~Fire - Sun May 14, 2006 3:46 pm
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I'll attribute your lack of comprehension skills, Muskrat, to the pot.

Muskrat - Sun May 14, 2006 8:42 pm
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As far as I can tell, I answered your question, then made an arbitrary comment following your arbitrary comment.
I'll attribute your lack of social skills, Cyan~Fire, to leading such a boring life.

Cyan~Fire - Sun May 14, 2006 10:58 pm
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Me: A hookah by itself does not make you high.
You: You obviously haven't heard of an oxygen bar.
Me: Even if you fill a hookah with oxygen, it's still the oxygen and not the hookah.
You: Oxygen is good.

If you can't see the comprehension problems apparent in that, there's not much I can do.

Purge - Sun May 14, 2006 11:03 pm
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You both make me proud that I'm not white.

Muskrat - Sun May 14, 2006 11:42 pm
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You:What do they fill it with?

Which is what most of my comments have been primarily aimed at, working off of D1s claim about legal/relaxing hookah fillings(pot alternatives). No miscomprehensions or digressions here.

So to get back onto the topic of pot, I think that there are both good and bad effects, and these are realised by the way someone uses it, as with most substances. We appear to approach the topic of legalization, as the topic of use will lead to inevitably.

The argument I might aim to prove is that the way in which the law of the land deals with substances is weighted unfairly, and that, if it wishes to illegalize pot, it should do the same for other substances, and if it wishes to keep these others legal, it should legalize pot.
This would assume a varying degree of intervention the government could place on the way someone lives their life.
As far as I can tell, in America the differences on legal status of some of these, such as tobacco, is a product of interest by big business: a most grievous fault.

Anonymous - Mon May 15, 2006 3:59 pm
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candygirl wrote:

9 times out of 10 thats want happen, only bad thing about weed is its not legal, this is what I do, I do homework (which is stressful at times) then I roll up a blunt and blaze it, it relax my head for school the next day.

Die Hard - Mon May 15, 2006 5:34 pm
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http://www.shoutwire.com/comments/5717/Marijuana_Causes_Cell_Regrowth_In_Rats

Anonymous - Mon May 15, 2006 8:23 pm
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see, weed isnt bad, matter of a fact its good, the Indians use to smoke to cure things.

Dr Brain - Mon May 15, 2006 8:44 pm
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Let's approach it from this angle, then. If weed is so good for you, why is it illegal? Why is it that everyone thinks it's such a bad thing if it's really not?

Muskrat - Mon May 15, 2006 9:03 pm
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Could be similar to the same reason gay marriage is illegal. People choosing issues to run for office and effectively destroying the system of parties. It takes a long time for people to change theirs minds about things. But hey, its becoming decriminalized pretty rapidly, remember Denver? This could be an indication that the country is moving in the direction of accepting it. Hell it took 200 years from freeing slaves to give them equality.

Compare approval rates between George Bush and Marijuana, they aren't too far off. You may find that its not thought to be that bad.

Chambahs - Tue May 16, 2006 1:32 am
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Weed is illegal, because if people were to sell it, the government wouldnt be able to make tax off it. Why are alcohol and ciggerates legal? They are both high killers and alcohol stimulates your mind and body just as weed does. But at the same time it doesnt kill as alcohol and ciggerates do. Im just puttin my 2 cents in. There is perfectly nothing wrong with smoking weed. Satilva (im pretty sure i didnt spell it right and im too lazy to google it) nearly does the same effect as weed does, and you can buy that at any flower shop. As well as a store called "Utopia" where I live, they sell "Legal Weed", which I heard was not as potent but still got you a bit buzzed.

Sketter - Tue May 16, 2006 3:03 am
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My 2 cents.

Weed is illegal due to the harmful effects, and altering the human mind while under its influence.

But then again so does alcohol. in fact alcohol used to be illegal at one point.

Muskrat and Chambahs have very good point.
It takes a long time for people to change their minds and even sometimes your going
to have to wait until their out of power or dead before movement is made.

We are told and taught to think a certain way. The majority will follow these principles.
It is the ones who do not follow the majority that will change the world.

Alcohol effects yours liver and cause to deteriorate.
Smoking can cause lung cancer, heart attacks, heart disease, stokes and so forth.

These effects are absolutely life threatening. So why are they legal?

I don't know any terminal illnesses caused by weed.

In most non medicated ADHD cases, studies show that stimulation caused by weed, cases patients to actually have better focus on subjects and tasks.
These people feel that they can accomplish more.

In some parts of the world weed is legalized. Perhaps we should take a look on their life style and system too see if the legal weed, has compromised their humanity.

Sketter

Dr Brain - Tue May 16, 2006 5:44 am
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Sorry guys, I'm not buying it. Weed was legal at one point, but it was made illegal. There was a reason behind that, even if you won't admit it. The law is there to protect people, not to remove joy and happiness from the world.

D1st0rt - Tue May 16, 2006 12:39 pm
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It was probably made illegal by the same type of hysteria and warmongering that made the drinking age 21. By the way, your liver is much more capable of recovering from alcohol than your lungs are at recovering from smoking.

Anonymous - Tue May 16, 2006 2:49 pm
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Wow, this is sad and you guys are still at it... I just read in the news paper a few weeks ago talking about how pot can be addicting for 15% of people, it cause brain damage BIGTIME, but it does help get rid of stress and head aches by putting your brain in a sort of mental acomia. Also so of course it destroys your liver and lungs (not as much as cigarettes). They got the proof off of scientists that have agreed on this data on all of the studies they have done.
As for me, I'm not as stupid as much of you that smoke it.

Muskrat - Tue May 16, 2006 3:12 pm
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If you look at history, you will see that laws don't just protect people, they protect intrests as well; intrests that are influenced by power or money or individual issues that hurt the cohesiveness of the state. Your unwavering trust in the government is, in my opinion, against the purpose of ruling body. 1500 years ago Plato found just as many faults in democracies as in monarchies; why should we trust the American Government to be completely bent on preserving our happiness when offices can only be gained by an aristocracy?

If I could see that marijuana was kept illegal purely for its detrimental effects, I would be satisfied, but as things are, it really appears that other interests are preventing its use for medical purposes, at least.

Anonymous - Tue May 16, 2006 3:27 pm
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words of wisdom from Henry J Anslinger, Commisioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics:

"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others.";

"The primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races.";

"Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death.";

"Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men.";

"Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing.";

"You smoke a joint and you're likely to kill your brother.";

"Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind."

Hm.. so racist..

Chambahs - Tue May 16, 2006 4:50 pm
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Dust and acid are the most violence-causing drug, i know this first hand, i dont care what statistics say.

Sketter - Tue May 16, 2006 5:21 pm
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You people have a lot to live.
It seems your lives are very well sheltered.

LazyBlaher
"I just read in the news paper a few weeks ago talking about how pot can be addicting for 15% of people"

And 80% of people who smoke tobacco find themselves addicted. And have you forgotten about AA?
You weren't thinking where you?

LazyBlaher
"it cause brain damage BIGTIME"

Over use of ANY substance causes damage.
You probably skipped my post on terminal illness that smoking and alcohol has.

Over using weed (as in everyday) can cause you mind to "slow" down.
These are people who chronically smoke it like if its a religion.
Same damages can occur with over use of alcohol.
alcohol is in your blood stream...do you think your brain doesn't react to it?
Why do you think your blurriness, mood disorder, light feeling, numbness, slurring speech, reaction reduced come from when drinking?
You don't think it doesn't kill brain cells too?

You body can only flush out a very small amount of alcohol per hour.
Drunk and weed have similar effects to being high, weed has a "cleaner" feel to it, and has less coming down side effects then drinking

Smoking has similar but very mild effects to the Brian.
Smoking is also used as relaxant. To loosen down when u feel stressed. Weed has a longer lasting effect. (depending on the amount in take)
And have you forgotten the hundred of chemicals used in tobacco?

Think about what is legal and why it even should be!

Alcohol is a substance, and so is smoking. Both additive, and over use can be life threatening. Weed can fall under the same category.

If the use of weed would be reduced to special occasions or events, such has alcohol "should" be, it could be considered part of the "party" life style.

Dr Brain
"Weed was legal at one point, but it was made illegal. There was a reason behind that, even if you won't admit it. The law is there to protect people, not to remove joy and happiness from the world."

Maybe you don't know exactly what a government is?
Well I will tell you. A government a nation wide company.
Their main goal is control and to make profit. They maintain control and profit by commercializing to the public, what they stand for and the good they will "try" to do.

Having that said Dr, Alcohol was illegal.....why did they reverse that?
If you can't stop the hole nation from doing something stupid, then join them and make money off them. If Bush decided that alcohol was to damaging and the only way they would stop the drunk driving and the killing was by making it illegal, you think everyone who is pro drinking going to vote for him? Fuck no, might as well be pro for it and add another tax bracket on it to make a better profit out of it. (As if taxing everything we buy already isn't enough)

You are forgetting the majority decision maker. And that is the majority rules. If they were to legalize weed, they can control and profit off it, and maintain votes, god dammit, they would.

You said they made it illegal for a reason, why don't u tell me why smoking and alcohol are legal.
The damaging effects are at the same rating as other legal substance.
I'm able to back up my statement, please, i want to hear yours.
I don't want to hear your brainwashed mind saying "well the law says so"
That isn't thinking for yourself. That is them telling you what to think.
Tell me with reason, why you think they are right, or wrong.

Sketter
Think outside the box, there is a hole new world.

Muskrat - Tue May 16, 2006 7:11 pm
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DieHard wrote:

"Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing.";

Hah! I think this is the only one they got right!

Shaddap Sketter, you're makin' my argument look bad.

(Deactived B l a h e r) - Tue May 16, 2006 9:44 pm
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Sketter, you need to look something up before you go blobbing out stuff... I doubt you did since you weren't thinking that my nick would actually be "LazyBlaher".
About what you said MJ should be used for party occasions like alcohol, you can't make people to do that, my parents drink 24/7 (even though I don't get why) and do less damage to themselves then if they were drinking only a few in a occasion. When ever you do to much of something your body gets used to it, and unlike what you said about it doing big damage when it's used a lot, it would do more damage if you used it once a week then every day.
You also are arguing your self that it's used for religion, but yet you respond saying "think out side of the box", which would probably go against most religions. You need to learn the difference between state and church.
I also don't think the government bans things for money, they do help in health. As if you take example of smoking that they are trying to ban (which is going slow), they are only doing it to save people from second hand smoke, they would make more money if the tobacco industries were open.

If you really have a problem with our government, your options are as followed:
1. In the bill of rights it says people have the right to over throw the government if they're the majority (even though you shouldn't change something that works or only has a minor deflect).
2. Go do something and try to get people to legalize it (even though it won't work, but since your stupid enough to think weed is for Conservatives, you should try it)
3. GO MOVE TO CANIDIA YOU FUCKING MORON! I hope you die from liver infection and mental retardation!

So my final conclusion is go shoot your self and maybe god will let you smoke weed in hell, HAHAHA!

Also think how your parents smoked weed when your dad was pregnant with you and now because of that, you're mentally retarded.

P.s. Sorry for the melt down (and me being a idiot at the end, but "hey!" that's my style because I do weed), but I just so much of a fun time making fun of his long argument, about him complaining that he wants a toxicating substance to be legal so he can go ruin his one chance at his so called life.
Also sorry Brain for making you look like your on th foolish side, but now you have proof of what weed can do to you <----

Chambahs - Tue May 16, 2006 10:04 pm
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You are a real fucking idiot, you need to calm down you 15 year old kid, because you dont know shit.

First off, it causes more damage if you do it everyday, because there is a thing called TOLERANCE, learn about it. The more you do it, the more you need to use to get high dumbass.

Second off your an idiot because you WROTE under guest login under "LazyBlaher". People like you make me sick to my stomach because you talk alot of shit about stuff you dont know about. And no, its not just this one time, its everytime you fucking post. Sure, i do it once in a blue, but who doesnt.

And your whole thing about the government being more interested in health than making money is total bullshit. Government spends trillions of dollars on weapons and spaceships, but for some reason they cant cure: Aids, HIV, Cancer, Blindness, ect ect.

The ONLY reason why ciggerates arent illegal is because the government makes billions of dollars off of it. They dont care for the people directly, they care for america's economy. I -think- i heard about bush "gambling" money on stocks with people's social security money or something of that sort, and if its true, then look at that example.

Now get away from weed, get on dope and crack and live a fucked up life asshole. Period, end.

Edited for brain.

Dr Brain - Tue May 16, 2006 10:18 pm
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1.) Governments make money through taxes. The government cannot tax products that are purchaced illegally.

2.) Pharmaceutical companies make money through selling products. They do not make money from witholding drugs from people.

3.) Pharmaceutical companies, like all companies, donate money to politicians.

These are all facts.

These facts lead to the inescapable conclusion that the government and politicians would make more money from legal drugs than illegal ones.

P.S. Chambahs, learn how to use the enter key to format your posts. I have a feeling you may have touched on what I said here, but I honestly couldn't stand reading your whole post.

Muskrat - Wed May 17, 2006 12:56 am
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Votes are the currency of politics, Brain, and nothing gets more votes than a moral crusade.

Every war that America has been in was necessary to fullfill America's financial needs, yet every declaration of war centered on a moral issue because that is the best way to make a(using President Truman's words) "scare-the-hell-out-of-the-public" campaign, and by which generating the most support as well as destroying any opposition. In other words, financial interest dosen't get as many votes as a moral issue.

What better way to gain every parent's vote than to wage a war on the drugs that are being offered to their children?

I've been trying to tell people that legalizing things like marijuana and alcohol would help raise funds for years. As someone who lives in a dry county(yes, that means no alcohol can be sold without a very hard to obtain lisence) the benefits it could gain from the taxes on sales are obvious.

But how does it stay dry? Conservatives preach in nursing homes about drunk drivers, and gain these votes from people who are probably only Republican because they still hate Civil Rights.

This is ontop of the strange coincidence that 3 of the 4 establishments in town with a liquor lisence are owned by the same person who also owns half of the area's real estate.

In closing, I think America would be MUCH better off if they listened to the country's financial concerns that the bull about spreading democracy, but the facts are that they dont. You're right, money would be made if marijuana was legalized, but what conservative politician would stay in office if he turned around and agreed? This is just another example of the fact that American politics is run on special interest ISSUES, not long term goals or something like... dare I say... world peace.

And Jesus blah-er, I can't believe you thought Sketter was really saying that MJ was used for a religion. I'll pass on Cyan's advice.... learn comprehension skills.

Sketter - Wed May 17, 2006 5:33 am
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Speechless I am, but full of grins!!

( WARNING THIS POST IS LONG!)

I must have spark a fuse with you oh "LazyBlaher"
You retaliated with such strength, but when you really read over what you said, only people who have very little experience would buy your jabber.

First off, your the one unwilling to login and be lazy. I quoted to whom typed the words. So you earn the rights to LazyBlaher, and I refer to you as so.

I think your upset at me for taking what you said, and shoving it in your face. Well deal with it. Your posting nonsense on the forums that needs to be corrected. And so I will point them out when needed. You should take what I said and learn from it.

By the way, you still have not proved anything.
All I asked dear child was for you to do so.

LazyBlaher
About what you said MJ should be used for party occasions like alcohol, you can't make people to do that

I wasn't hinting or suggesting (let alone demanding) that weed should be a daily and routine activity.

LazyBlaher
my parents drink 24/7 (even though I don't get why) and do less damage to themselves then if they were drinking only a few in a occasion

Dear god, noooo!!
"Kids we have come across a new and exciting revelation. The more you do something, the less harmful it become.
My god, if we eat more fatty foods the less of a chance i will get fat.”

Your calling me a moron? Think about what you just said!!
Using your own theory, the more i do weed the less chance i have in loosing brain cells, and less dumber i will become.
Your helping me prove my case.
(Your still weren't thinking when posting again where you?)

Second, If your parents really do drink 24/7 I am sorry they are making a poor choice. I really am. But i hope you don't pick up from that.
Like Chambash said, "there is a thing called TOLERANCE, learn about it."
The more you do something the more you will get used to it. This doesn't necessarily mean that it isn't effecting you, it means it will take more of the substance before the feeling of "happy" kicks in.

I had a grandfather and an uncle die in their 50's because their liver gave out. It sure wasn't from not drinking enough. Unless your mom and dad want to live until their 50's, then by all means, drink like a fish.
School should be teaching you this stuff...doesn't gym do mandatory health classes?

LazyBlaher
You also are arguing your self that it's used for religion, but yet you respond saying "think out side of the box", which would probably go against most religions. You need to learn the difference between state and church.

You have got to be kidding me!! LOL

Muskrat said it best
And Jesus blah-er, I can't believe you thought Sketter was really saying that MJ was used for a religion. I'll pass on Cyan's advice.... learn comprehension skills.

LazyBlaher
I also don't think the government bans things for money, they do help in health. As if you take example of smoking that they are trying to ban (which is going slow), they are only doing it to save people from second hand smoke, they would make more money if the tobacco industries were open.

No no no,
(read what i type here carefully and slow, so you don't miss a word i say)

You see, in the past 50 years it has become an understanding that smoking is very harmful. The tobacco companies did their very best to hide what exactly was in the cigarettes. There are even recordings in court of them trying to buff their way around. They were forced to publicly show what is used in them. (now this is where Mustrat and I talked about when referring to the movement of the majority)
As this information become relevant, slowly (as you said) people minds began to change and look at smoking differently. Now right from the beginning of this information, you can see that what was being put in is absolutely WRONG, but nothing was done about it then. Everyone still ran to the store to buy a pack.
It should have been banned from day one. THAT would have been saving lives.
But politically why the fuck would u do something that stupid?
Do you have any idea the amount of money this addictiveness brings in?
You don't understand the word GREED then.
And no one wanted to give up their precious smokes then.
It is slowly being phased out because more and more of the newer generation have this information available to them, and being taught at a younger age that smoking is bad. Therefore they will grow up with that in their heads and want a smoke free life. If I'm a politician what is the best way for me to get their votes? Well? Start having no smoking sections, and banning smoking from bars and restaurants. And guess what, it works.
The baby boomer generation grew up with smoking in the house with a lot of presser to do it but had the information that it can kill you, but fell to the presser. That is why parents, relatives, friends say "don't smoke."
They know it's bad but they are already addictive. But are willing to submit to the restrictions to save their friends and loved ones from following in the same path.
So politically I'm doing well, and at the same time making money, money, money!!!
Sure there are good politicians that want to do good, and sure go for saving lives, but why would you want the hole nation hating you? You would be voted off your seat before you would have a law passed.
And why did it take over 30 years before anything was considered and done? Because we only started to care now. The younger generation grew up, and is now taking a stand, they are now the majority.

According to statistics, there are a lot of homosexuals in the stat of California, you think who ever legalized gay marriages got vote Browne marks for that?

So its about control first, to find a way to make money. Your 15, you'll soon learn the working of the real world.

LazyBlaher
If you really have a problem with our government, your options are as followed:
1. In the bill of rights it says people have the right to over throw the government if they're the majority (even though you shouldn't change something that works or only has a minor deflect).

This has been mostly explained above.

LazyBlaher
2. Go do something and try to get people to legalize it (even though it won't work, but since your stupid enough to think weed is for Conservatives, you should try it)

Again, explained above, and on a side note, you really have no idea how often weed is used.

LazyBlaher
3. GO MOVE TO CANIDIA YOU FUCKING MORON! I hope you die from liver infection and mental retardation!

I don't know of a "Canidia" unless you meant Candida, but I do know of a Canada, in fact I am Canadian and living in Canada. (And you came down on me for not looking your shit up, sheesh, at least practice what you preach.)

but just because I live up north doesn't mean i don't have an opinion. And I'm fee to express so. Besides some one has to keep you in line.

LazyBlaher
So my final conclusion is go shoot your self and maybe god will let you smoke weed in hell, HAHAHA!

LOL God didn't make weed illegal, that is a man made rule.
Your soo silly!!
God has ten commandments and bibles. Go review them. Being condole to hell for weed isn't one. Get a grip.

LazyBlaher
Also think how your parents smoked weed when your dad was pregnant with you and now because of that, you're mentally retarded.

Fetal Alcohol Syndrome causes mentally delay. And men can not be pregnant. You really don't have any facts do you?

If your going to reply to me at least have a good argument. Because right now I'm tearing you a new ass hole.

You are a perfect example of 15 year old kid who has been tough not to think for himself. Your parents drink and you don't know why and you don't even ask. Most kids go into the million question phase at the age of 3-4, and yet you can't come to terms to ask them why they drink 24/7...looks like your delayed.
You may think you have replied with a remarkable response but in fact you haven't. You haven't event come close. You couldn't come up with something logic. Your parents taught you that drinking everyday is better for you then drinking once in a while. You don't know the truth, you really, really don't!!!
You have shown ignorance and that is not fully your fault. You are young, and I to had the same thinking process you have, but I had to look beyond what I was told and see what is actually there. I have hopes you will learn more in your years to come. And if you don't, please don't go into politics.
Now sit down and be a good little boy.

So back to what I said before;
I don't want to hear your brainwashed mind saying "well the law says so"
That isn't thinking for yourself. That is them telling you what to think.
Tell me with reason, why you think they are right, or wrong.

Sketter
No more jabber!
P.S. Mustrat we agree on a few things

Dr Brain - Wed May 17, 2006 11:55 am
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There still has to be a reason people thought it was bad enough to outlaw it.

Sketter - Wed May 17, 2006 12:54 pm
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Dr Brain wrote:

There still has to be a reason people thought it was bad enough to outlaw it.

I can't believe you just said that. Your not reading are you?

Go think for yourself and come back here and tell me why it is!!
And make sure that the evidence you present out weigh what I have said. Then we talk more.

And i got this message from LazyBlaher in the forum pms.

Subject I hope you die!
I hope you die! because of you dumbasses that peered pressured me into doing somthing that you think is cool, now I am fucking messed up in the head!

Don't come crying to me blaming me for your stupidity. Take responsibility. Your the one that claims to know what is wrong and have all the right answers. Suck it up and own up to your own mistakes.
Another good example of a brainless person blaming someone else for their own actions.

At lest it wasn't cigarettes, you have a better chance of getting off them with no withdrawals then you wold with cancer sticks.

Sketter
People still don't read.

Muskrat - Wed May 17, 2006 2:03 pm
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Dr Brain wrote:

There still has to be a reason people thought it was bad enough to outlaw it.

The reason people thought it was bad is just what DieHard posted. They are quotes by Harry Anslinger(Commissioner of the Treasury Department's Federal Bureau of Narcotics). Enormous amounts of propaganda were used against it back then. How else do you think enough people voted against something they'd probably never even heard of to outlaw it?

David Solomon wrote:

The popular and therapeutic uses of hemp preparations are not categorically prohibited by the provisions of the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937. The apparent purpose of the Act is to levy a token tax of approximately one dollar on all buyers, sellers, importers, growers, physicians, veterinarians, and any other persons who deal in marijuana commercially, prescribe it professionally, or possess it.

The deceptive nature of that apparent purpose begins to come into focus when the reader reaches the penalty provisions of the Act: five years' imprisonment, a $2,000 fine, or both seem rather excessive for evading a sum that, even if collected, would produce only a minute amount of government revenue.

This is where it began, yes, as a tax. Yet as I stated previously this was reinforced by propoganda, leading to the initial feelings by the public that marijuana was bad.

You should ask better questions Brain: Why did the initial legislators outlaw it?(the tax effectively did outlaw it, do your own research) Well, I could give the same reasons for a sin tax, but that dosen't touch the heart of the issue. One reason was this:

Quote:

Southern states were pressing for a federal law against marijuana to persecute Mexicans that saturated the workforce with cheap labor during The Depression. The demands of this growing viewpoint were eventually adopted by Anslinger.

Other reasons were racist. What better way to gain conservative's votes than to outlaw something that drove lower-class mexicans and negroes insane?

Now if you're an adament New Dealer or a racist I'm out of reasons and you can have the argument. Otherwise, find another way to attack the argument, history is against you.

P.S. The Original Act was found unconstitutional in 1969 by the SC.

And once again, Shaddap Sketter you're doing nothing to help.

(Deactived B l a h e r) - Wed May 17, 2006 7:50 pm
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Wow, you guys actually believed that I believed in my statements; that's pretty funny! LOL

But I don't care what shit you tell me, because I'm doing weed and the only thing that matters right now is getting laid...

I think you guys are forgetting the most important factor of our government. Can you guess what it is? If you said education you're right (although it seems hard to believe)!

Here's how it works:

If you have people smoking weed or any other drugs, well they're not going to do so well in education. (Don't give me shit that weed doesnt effect your brain, because just look at your self since you started it and I have tons of genius friends that started doing weed and now they are failing in school.)
So really the government can make more money if people care more about their education then getting high and fucking their brains up.
That's why in the first place that the government legalized pot (when they cared about us). So there's your proof, Brain.

By the way sketter, STOP CALLING ME "LazyBlaher", it's just silly (call me "StupidBlaher" if you want, I just used that because I deleted my cookies and didn't have time to log in.)

Anonymous - Wed May 17, 2006 8:32 pm
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To see what weed can do to you "just look up"

-cg

Die Hard - Thu May 18, 2006 9:36 pm
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Anonymous wrote:

To see what weed can do to you "just look up"

-cg

you smoke tooooo much crack....

candygirl - Thu May 18, 2006 10:54 pm
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Nope I don’t do drugs. If you want to get a buzz “try slamming your head agents a brick wall. You will get the same effect.

Anonymous - Fri May 19, 2006 12:59 pm
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your a dumb bitch candy!!

candygirl - Fri May 19, 2006 1:26 pm
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rofl what a loser!

Die Hard - Fri May 19, 2006 5:58 pm
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candygirl wrote:

Nope I don’t do drugs. If you want to get a buzz “try slamming your head agents a brick wall. You will get the same effect.

no, it would hurt like shit

Anonymous - Wed May 24, 2006 4:12 pm
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The main reason pot is illegal is because to some people it is a stepping stone to more extreme hardcore drugs(like ecstasy chambahs ^^).

-phil

Muskrat - Wed May 24, 2006 8:08 pm
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Maybe if you're some dumbass with no reservations or morals or care for yourself, and those people end up in the gutter of society anyways. Trust me, you can smoke pot without doing dangerous drugs.

In my speculations, making pot legal would actually help this problem. It is seen that many young people start with legal things such as tobacco and alcohol, and then those who cross the threshold of legal-to-illegal go on to commit more crimes(hard drugs), having committed one(pot). If pot were legal, I feel that the pot-to-dangerous drugs bridge would be much harder to cross than that TO an illegal pot for the reason that there IS tangible evidence that other drugs ARE very detrimental to people's health. But not marijuana.

Generally though, I hold that drugs are dangerous to those who are idiots, people who will no doubt never find that much "success" in life anyways. What happened to Social Darwinism?

(Deactived B l a h e r) - Wed May 24, 2006 9:53 pm
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I really don't that's reasonable, musk. People that more likely do pot and move on to even stronger drugs are mainly because they are looking for a better high, not because they want to break the law any more. They probably don't give a shit about the law, if they're on weed.
In my speculations, you are right that most people smoke first and get the concept of "I don't give a shit about my lungs, liver, and brain" part down, sometimes they move on to pot to "feel better" in their opinion. It's mostly not the reason they go on, just because it's illegal.

Muskrat - Wed May 24, 2006 10:36 pm
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If only you made less assumptions...
Here's a huge and blatant one:

blah-er wrote:

They probably don't give a shit about the law, if they're on weed.

This is where I disagree.

blah-er wrote:

In my speculations, you are right that most people smoke first and get the concept of "I don't give a shit about my lungs, liver, and brain" part down, sometimes they move on to pot to "feel better" in their opinion. It's mostly not the reason they go on, just because it's illegal.

I think the law is a much greater force both to morals AND in its ability to be detrimental to you than pot. A possession charge is much worse for your life than smoking pot thousands of times(at least for me it has been). I fear the law much more than the bad health because there are SO FEW bad effects, especially compared to hard drugs and even most prescription drugs. What do you fear more? going to jail and getting a criminal record or short-term coughing and memory loss(no long term from less than a VERY large amount).