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Anonymous - Wed Apr 14, 2004 8:37 am
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Some weaks ago I tried to enter a zone called "T3 The Gauntlet" or so. It said I was banned till year 2016. But I never entered the zone before. How is that possible?

Dr Brain - Wed Apr 14, 2004 9:00 am
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Your reputation preceded you, or you have the same IP/MACID as a previously banned offender.

Anonymous - Wed Apr 14, 2004 9:11 am
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Dr Brain wrote:

Your reputation preceded you, or you have the same IP/MACID as a previously banned offender.

OK... But since the zone doesn't matter (there is TW, DSB, 17th - and they are all much better than T3)... Just wanted to know how it's possible to be a new user but already banned. So machineID can be the same at different computer systems? (it's said to be the harddrive serial number)

Dr Brain - Wed Apr 14, 2004 9:16 am
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You aren't a new user to any previously unentered zone. Thats what BanG is for.

And IP is far more likely than MACID, but it's possible that a banned person hacked his SN to what you have in an attempt to bypass the ban.

Qndre - Wed Apr 14, 2004 9:21 am
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Dr Brain wrote:

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And IP is far more likely than MACID, but it's possible that a banned person hacked his SN to what you have in an attempt to bypass the ban.

OK, thanks for your information. But whatsoever I won't email T3 because I'm not interested in the zone. Just wanted to know how it's possible.

Yes I know. Multiple IPs are possible. I had a DNS some time ago and looked at "mydnsname.net" and I was redirected to another one's site.

Mine GO BOOM - Wed Apr 14, 2004 10:13 am
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Sadly, its common sometimes how bans work. They could have banned locally a whole subnet (ie: ISP), which you could fall under. Or, more likely, the banned person could have the same MachineID as you. The MachineID is sort of created by Windows, but a problem is that not all the sources it gets for this ID (I'm not sure what sources it attempts to read) are 100% random.

You could think of it like this. Your MAC for your network card should be unique, but sometimes hardware manufactures forget this, and have at times shipped out thousands of network cards all with the same MAC.

Qndre - Wed Apr 14, 2004 11:42 am
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Mine GO BOOM wrote:

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The MachineID is sort of created by Windows,
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This means it's stored somewhere in the memory and there is a way to change it.

Dr Brain - Wed Apr 14, 2004 12:27 pm
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Doesn't *mean* it's stored in memory, but yes, it's possible to change.

Mine GO BOOM - Wed Apr 14, 2004 5:48 pm
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Qndre wrote:

This means it's stored somewhere in the memory and there is a way to change it. :wink:

Its actually stored as a registry value, don't remember where exactly. My CEBot used to read that value in and use that as it's MachineID. If it couldn't find one, just did rand() and whatever that returned, used that.

Dustpuppy - Wed Apr 14, 2004 6:41 pm
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Uh you used to play T3...the ban is in your name.

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#1180 access:1 by Lord Tsura 2003-01-09 20:23 days:5000 217.224.165.41:8 Qndre
Was banned local for being distruptive to zone proceeded to cross zone harass staff after repeated requests to stop (7 day net per GS guidelines)

According to that you also got netbanned for a week

CypherJF - Wed Apr 14, 2004 6:52 pm
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So why is there a 5000 day ban, if there is a 7 day net ban ? lol

CypherJF - Wed Apr 14, 2004 8:27 pm
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May I also sneak in here and say, SSC has a tendecy (billing) to have that message appear for subchat, hence the VIP.txt/BanFree-ing the accounts.

nintendo64 - Thu Apr 15, 2004 1:16 am
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Dustpuppy wrote:

Uh you used to play T3...the ban is in your name.

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According to that you also got netbanned for a week

There's an easy task for Qndre, trying to unban yourself, see if you can do it. Maybe Local 5000? and netbanned 7 days?

-nintendo64

CypherJF - Thu Apr 15, 2004 9:18 am
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harhar

Anonymous - Thu Apr 15, 2004 9:51 am
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So I'll change my name. That's weird, the name was already banned in T3? So why wasn't it in-use then? Who uses such a strange name as Qndre?

Anonymous - Thu Apr 15, 2004 9:56 am
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#1180 access:1 by Lord Tsura 2003-01-09 20:23

Yes! Look at the date! It says 2003-01-09 - I didn't ever access T3 server. So it's the account and there is in fact someone which chose name 'Qndre'.

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*confused* 'Qndre' sucks as a nick!

Who takes it if he doesn't have to (except me)?

Dr Brain - Thu Apr 15, 2004 10:06 am
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You obviously haven't grasped what I said about the SSC banning system.

Biller 101: All zones connected to the same biller share user info.

Qndre - Thu Apr 15, 2004 11:04 am
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Dr Brain wrote:

You obviously haven't grasped what I said about the SSC banning system.

Biller 101: All zones connected to the same biller share user info.

I have but I am not banned in any other zone. Also not on "T3 asss server"

Dr Brain - Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:29 pm
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Read my post again. Then read the last three or four posts, and read my post again.

Maybe you will understand then.

Qndre - Thu Apr 15, 2004 1:12 pm
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Dr Brain wrote:

Read my post again. Then read the last three or four posts, and read my post again.

Maybe you will understand then.

Well...

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You aren't a new user to any previously unentered zone.

OK, servers can access billing information from other servers, but why should they ban me in T3? If I haven't ever played in the zone, I can't have broken the rules of that zone, can I? Being banned because of "shared" banning information from another zone is also implausible because I'm not banned in any other zone. *don't understand anyway*

Mr Ekted - Thu Apr 15, 2004 1:40 pm
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Some zone ops have been known to ban or even netban for things outside of the zone itself. So it's possible that you pissed someone off in a forum (it's even likely, given that it's you) and they decided to ban you (zone ops can do whatever they want). Netbanning in this situation is against SSC policy though. However, from the ban comments, I would say you or someone logging in with your name/pw DID do those things.

Solo Ace - Thu Apr 15, 2004 1:44 pm
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Qndre's Metaspace wrote:

*confused* 'Qndre' sucks as a nick!

Who takes it if he doesn't have to (except me)?

How can the ban's "banned data" be exactly the same as what you currently use if it was a different user?

You didn't get caught in someone else's ban, this ban was supposed to catch only you, it did and it does now.

You did play in T3G, it wasn't someone else with the name "Qndre".

Qndre - Sun Apr 25, 2004 12:29 pm
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Solo Ace wrote:

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You did play in T3G, it wasn't someone else with the name "Qndre".

I didn't. But thanks for your help. I won't change my nick and join the zone because there are hundredths of other zones out there which don't require such a nick change.

1stStrike - Sun Apr 25, 2004 3:04 pm
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And folks there you have it, the average intelligence level of subspace has dropped yet another level.

nintendo64 - Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:03 pm
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1stStrike wrote:

And folks there you have it, the average intelligence level of subspace has dropped yet another level.

i'll say 2 levels, because someone doesn't read or understand what he gets told.

-nintendo64

Dustpuppy - Fri Apr 30, 2004 8:21 pm
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Someone also forgets what zones he used to play.

In fact, if you visit Qndre's website, in his forum profile (which I highly recommend) and click on the stats link you get this:
http://home.t-online.de/home/520061019796-0001/continuum/index.htm

A saved copy of his T3 The G stats

Mr Ekted - Fri Apr 30, 2004 8:40 pm
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Hahaha totally owned.

CypherJF - Sat May 01, 2004 1:25 am
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"pwned"

Solo Ace - Sat May 01, 2004 1:40 am
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Qndre wrote:

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I didn't. But thanks for your help. I won't change my nick and join the zone because there are hundredths of other zones out there which don't require such a nick change.

We've already proven that you DID play T3G.
Also, it is not only your name which is currently matching that ban, it's ALL the info (I said that in my post, learn to read already) so it can't be another person.

T3G does not require a name change, I'll say it again hoping you understand it this time:
You didn't get caught in someone else's ban, this ban was supposed to catch only you, it did and it does now.

I know it's hard for you to admit that you got banned, try changing your nick and then attempt to login.
You'll see you're still banned, no matter which nickname you use.

Again: T3G does not require a nick change, YOU are BANNED.

wEaViL - Sat May 01, 2004 3:18 am
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Theres still ways around a ban

Cyan~Fire - Sat May 01, 2004 10:31 am
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It's a little hard these days, lol.

BTW, Qndre, your website complains at me for using Mozilla! FIX IT!

And why the heck would you want to post those scores anyway, they suck!

wEaViL - Sat May 01, 2004 3:39 pm
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I have 4 computers, able to change my ip whenever I want... thats just two of the things I can do... but like ya'll said.. it depends on the ban

Solo Ace - Sat May 01, 2004 11:23 pm
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wEaViL wrote:

I have 4 computers, able to change my ip whenever I want... thats just two of the things I can do... but like ya'll said.. it depends on the ban

Yeah, "being able to change your ip", your local IPs maybe.

Cyan~Fire - Sun May 02, 2004 10:24 am
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Your WAN IP might change every now and then, but it's probably not your perogative, it's your ISP's. So, to get around the ban you'd have to catch when your IP changes, and then fake all your information the very first time you log in with that IP. If you login just once with your new IP and just one bit of the old info, BAM all your new info is added to your database. And, of course, some of the info is quite hard to fake...

Mightn't as well wait for the ban to run out these days, lol.

Solo Ace - Sun May 02, 2004 6:13 pm
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BAM!

Cyan~Fire - Sun May 02, 2004 7:58 pm
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wEaViL - Mon May 03, 2004 12:21 am
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Solo Ace wrote:

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Yeah, "being able to change your ip", your local IPs maybe.

Personaly I dont care if you believe me or not... not like it really even matters cuase when I do use SS/Continuum I dont go into others zones just the ones I work in and noones ever had a reason to ban me anyways....

Solo Ace - Mon May 03, 2004 8:46 am
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I don't really care if I have to believe you or not, my ISP allows me to change my IP also, I was kidding anyway.

Qndre - Mon May 03, 2004 9:12 am
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You're right with it! I'm really sorry, I see I played T3, you're right. I only forgot this zone because I tried out some others and didn't remember that I played there.

Some months ago I wanted to play and suddenly recognized that I was banned and I wondered why. But as I joined the zone from another PC, some time ago, I remembered that I already played there. Even if it's some years ago.
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It was the zone where I did ballkilling at those bomb paths, and I think that's the reason for my BAN. Please don't think that I'd lie, I just forgot which zone it was (it wasn't in my zone list either).
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I didn't forget that I played this game. I just forgot that it was called T3 The Gauntlet.

Solo Ace - Mon May 03, 2004 10:55 am
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Qndre wrote:

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You're right with it! I'm really sorry, I see I played T3, you're right. I only forgot this zone because I tried out some others and didn't remember that I played there.

We know you're bad at thinking, you don't have to prove that again.

The reason for your ban is in the bancomment of your ban which was quoted by Dustpuppy.

Dustpuppy wrote:

Uh you used to play T3...the ban is in your name.

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According to that you also got netbanned for a week

Now that Qndre finally admits that he got banned we can let this thread die.