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SpecShip - Sat Mar 04, 2006 4:04 am
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Can I get a honest FACTUAL account on WTF is going on here?

SpecShip - Sat Mar 04, 2006 4:41 am
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Only time I actualy have "important" news to report, and no more account on the main page.
Haha, irony.
Bigger irony, on its 10th year anniversary (well technicaly the project "sniper"/SS started at december 95, but meh) that the game (well, only its biggest host, other than priit's box SSCU, anyway) is getting shut down.

Well, big scoop.
I always said SS was illegal, guess I just didn't know how much.

For years I was under the imrpession, as such seemed to have been the 'common knowledge' that xalimar, under his position as system administrator at C&W (ex-exodus), was given the perk of using some of the company's bandwidth to his needs, so he would pay for the boxes but the bandwidth would be given for free.
As it turns out, this was not so.
A player, called 'prime' who seems had a feud with xalimar, reported the activity of SSX servers on their bandwidth to the C&W HQ.
De Facto, xalimar was filtering company bandwidth to run the servers, illegaly.
Since reported, the first box as said was shutdown on the spot, the other one is next.
Xalimar may lose his job over this as well.
All I can say, what an asshole...even in all my temper tantrums (and those who know me, knows) I would've never thought of killing all of SSX.
Maybe EG, maybe some select players, but not the entire host.

P.S.
Here's allegedly the information of "prime":
Ali, Riaz
80 Saint Patrick St
Toronto, ON M5T 2X6, (416) 596-0843 ?

Feel free to beat him up.

P.P.S
It is speculated that SSX bandwidth cost is around from $800 and maybe upto $2,000 if DDoS'd or so.
The pipeline requirement is at least 100mbit/month.

Good luck with that...
SubSpace> Ich Bin Screwed.

I never thought I'll live to see the day.

SyrusMX - Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:21 am
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Wtf u talkin about?

SpecShip - Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:14 am
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You are completely out of the loop, huh?

SyrusMX - Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:19 am
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All I know is what I see, and I see you saying one of their servers is down, but then I see all the SSX zones up on my list...

SpecShip - Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:10 am
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Do your homework boy.
I've done my research.
At the very least, run continuum again and then look at the playercount from ASWZ, Alpha, PB and WZ.

Cerium - Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:29 am
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Like I told passplay last night:
If all of sscx dies, it will most likely be the final blow to SVS subspace. Looks like I picked the right time to leave.

(Deactived B l a h e r) - Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:50 am
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SSX can just find another place to run if they want to be up so bad. Besides nobody anymore even play SVS much today, it's a themed zones that are popular. Most of SVS zones on my list are just a waste of space. Well I hope you guys can have fun without them

Smong - Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:51 am
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SyrusMX if you had any hosting experience you should know getting a zone listed on the directory is outgoing traffic from the server and does not require any port fowarding. However player count ping and entering the zone are incoming to the server and in most cases require port forwarding.

Seeing as SSCX 216 is still listed on the directory I suspect they just removed the port forwarding. Otherwise the entries would have been removed by the directory software for being too old.

Mr Ekted - Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:19 am
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SSCX has 2 machines. Chaos and EG are on the 2nd one. They haven't found it yet.

Mr Ekted - Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:24 am
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FYI: Everything SpecShip said is true, except that it's Savvis not C&W, and the bandwidth being used was at least silently accepted by xal's direct boss. It was simply against corporate policy. So when C&W took over, then subsequently Savvis, they just continued doing it. For a company like them, it was less than 0.000001% of their pipe.

I feel terrible for xal. He went beyond the call of duty for us to keep SSCX running, to provide extra machines for bots, etc. If he does get fired, then prime is on my eternal shitlist, which is a rare honor.

CypherJF - Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:37 am
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sabotaged by the it's own community, sad.

Smong - Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:10 pm
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Reminds me of the typical college p2p network, only that always starts again at the beginning of each academic year.

newb - Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:37 pm
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Sad times.

SpecShip - Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:45 pm
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Yeah, savvis, C&W/exodus, pccwbtn and who not...that company been bought out/renamed so many times I stopped keeping track.
If you ask me, Cisco probably owns all of them at some treepeak point.
Narf.
I hope xal makes it through okay.

Oh, and yeah, someone track down Prime and gut him, post the pix to 4chan.org with ample description.

Anonymous - Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:24 pm
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wow, he lives about a 30 mins walk from me.

Confess - Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:49 pm
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Wow. Thats Sad. We should all go and beat the shit out of him.

I dont see how it can pump out 100mbit's a second..It has a max of 300-400 players, which can be added up to about less then 10mbit..

If there was ever a need for SSCU to get its ass back up in shape and start taking back in those zones..it would be now.

We should all do what we can do to try and get a server. A 10mbit line with unlimited bandwidth can be about 130$ if you do it right.

Cerium - Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:55 pm
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What sparked prime to do this?

Sketter - Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:56 pm
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According to Google earth 3.4 km (3 min drive) away from my house.

I pass that street on Queen st. west when i go to the movies at paramount theaters.

Sketter

prime - Sat Mar 04, 2006 4:43 pm
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This is p r i m e.

I am posting this because the information being provided in this post and in other places are for the wrong person. The person living at 80 Saint Patrick St. is an innocent person who has nothing to do with this event. There is no point in harrassing him, you should stop calling him and don't be stupid enough to visit him.

I can tell you that I am completely safe and you will not find me. All information on the web (white pages, etc...) lead to people that are not who you are looking for.

You may waste your time by searching and harrassing whomever you like, you will not find me as all the available information is outdated, including phone numbers and addresses listed online or with people i've been in contact.

If you persist in harrassing those innocent people I will contact the police and discuss measures to be taken.

newb - Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:08 pm
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scared newbie?

SpecShip - Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:09 pm
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A. You do realise we're not buying into your lies.
B. Even if it's not you, this person is obviously someone very close to you for you to know they're being harassed, meaning, you're in the vacinity.
C. Do you even realise that the SSC biller is full of your IPs? We can tell where you are.
D. I'm not even buying this is the prime in question, with all the retards in here, it's probably ghost ryda impersonating again.
E. Go ahead, call the police, we're shaking in our boots. -NOT-
F. Die newbie.

LearJett+ - Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:20 pm
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It's just a game. Get the fuck over it.

BlueGoku - Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:24 pm
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Yes, it's just a game. Except he basically just took down half the game.

Confess - Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:45 pm
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It is suggested that you get a copy of your zone JUST INCASE you cant get one later. (SSCX zones)

LearJett+ - Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:14 pm
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The moral of the story is:

Don't do anything illegal if you don't want to be fired.

D1st0rt - Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:38 pm
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Or don't be a stupid douchebag and ruin something for hundreds of people just because you're an idiot and somebody makes you mad.

Anonymous - Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:41 pm
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All of this is bad news. How can I help ? I sure would give money but I have none left and my credit card is loaded. Am publishing soon my psychonaute diary: adventures to else. Maybe I can get some money and help. I love EG.

Purge - Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:56 pm
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Users shouldn't waste their money for a free game, especially if they get nothing out of it.

Smong - Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:59 pm
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I wouldn't be surprised if other hosts go down under the load of all the sscx players moving to other zones.

Anonymous - Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:01 pm
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The moral of this story is: SS is more then a game, its a freaking compagny full of idiots, guys without a life, guys who have failed in r/l and trying to make it up here. However, a few serious ones, who still are willing to spend money but they are not taking serious. End of story, end of SS?

Muskrat - Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:06 pm
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By that rationale, nobody should spend any money to improve something which, for many people, takes up an amount of time in their life that is considerable. If it makes you happy to spend money, by all means do it, as long as they don't complain or expect too much.

Anonymous - Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:59 pm
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This is fucking stupid. I can't believe some whiny arab would do this to all us virgins. Now wtf are we going to do? Diablo is full of cheaters and mom won't let me look at the bra section in the Sears catalogue!!

- pet virus

ps. SpecShip, you know Yazour? He's my bro and wtf happened to him?!?

Anonymous - Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:23 am
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Prime you are a liar. That is where you live and I hope you and those close to you suffer. PS when you see a black Saburban parked infront of your house I suggest duck.

Cerium - Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:29 am
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Ok, seriously, what caused prime to go all bipolar like phong?

SpecShip - Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:44 am
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Haha, pv you silly cunt, I'm Gravitron.

We can play diablo together if you wanna, avoid the cheaters.
Will be fun doing the trip from lvl1 to 30 again.

Mr Ekted - Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:44 am
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Cerium wrote:

Ok, seriously, what caused prime to go all bipolar like phong?

Birth.

Anonymous - Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:45 am
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he's a faggot that soon won't be with us. Go back to Afghanistan bastard

Anonymous - Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:45 am
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Gravitron???? That name sounds familiar. I am nismo

Anonymous - Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:00 am
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I know it sucks that we lost SSCX but i think the biggest hit happens to Xalimar. I really hope he doesnt lose his job. Prime that was really fcked up that you had the nerve to mess with someones real life and career. I dont know a lot about Xalimar but think about what you could have done if he has a family at home to support. I hope your really happy that you took your childish anger to a different level and messed with someones career.

-Probot

Anonymous - Sun Mar 05, 2006 3:11 am
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Why would you do something like this, Prime. You had no reason to do what you did. No matter how badly you felt, how pissed off you were, what right do you have to take the indulgences away from people that have not harmed you (such as myself) and people who may have assisted you in some way (such as the development team in your home zone)?

The only reason this game survives is because of the generosity people offer - those who run the servers. I don't think you realise what a dick move you've made.

Let me reiterate once again. If every day, I walked in to Starbucks and got a small free coffee, out of gratitude for helping Pedro the cashier with his homework, and you saw me every single day I got that coffee. One day, you told the manager that Pedro the cashier was giving away a small coffee, which costs about 0.02$ to brew. Pedro gets fired, and I no longer can get my coffee.

God, I just can't get over what an asinine action you've taken.

Confess - Sun Mar 05, 2006 3:17 am
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Well since Pedro is a mexican...

Agreed Yoink.

Anonymous - Sun Mar 05, 2006 3:17 am
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prime hahaha why are you in canada arab go find some of yer own kind and hop in a car and run it into a crowd.......or just wait for ss nerds to come maul you

PoLiX - Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:23 am
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Just another case of someone taking an online game too far.

Default - Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:23 am
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I really don't see SSX zones online tho.

Anonymous - Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:30 am
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10 years down the tube!! I was just starting to get some skill happening!

Prime you asswipe! I hope you get skull fucked!

Doc Flabby - Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:53 am
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prime wrote:

You may waste your time by searching and harrassing whomever you like, you will not find me as all the available information is outdated, including phone numbers and addresses listed online or with people i've been in contact.

If you persist in harrassing those innocent people I will contact the police and discuss measures to be taken.

Thats what happens when u fuck with people

innocent people get hurt, and its YOUR fault.

Go and run and hide. Cos we will find you. However long it takes.

newb - Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:28 am
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It's sad to see how a guy we can trust ruins the game for well more than 100 people.
It's even more sad to see how a career can get ruined because of this.

Anonymous - Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:11 am
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For more than 100? Only 4v4 league has like 400 players.

P.S. Thx xal for everything u did. Hope all finishes ok

Anonymous - Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:53 am
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SpecShip wrote:

P.S.
Here's allegedly the information of "prime":
Ali, Riaz
80 Saint Patrick St
Toronto, ON M5T 2X6, (416) 596-0843 ?

Feel free to beat him up.

That phone number is invalid. I tried calling it.

I also used this information to scan yellowpages.ca for it and the information matched so that means that the yellow pages are as inaccurate as the information that SpecShip posted. Perhaps Prime is telling the truth of that it isn't him.

More evidence of this shows that someone with the alias of Balthazar Kingx came into CBCC Devil's Cry 2 last night and said that he is Prime. I questioned him a bit and he did tell me that he has no land line and that he has a cell phone that isn't working and that none of the information matched to himself.

I am thinking that Balthazar Kingx and Prime is the same person.

Blue_Monday was also in the zone at the time when I was talking with Balthazar Kingx.

Donkano - Sun Mar 05, 2006 10:00 am
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Thought I was logged in. That previous post was sent by me.

LearJett+ - Sun Mar 05, 2006 10:03 am
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If so many people liked SSX so much why doesn't someone just put it on a new server? If he wasn't stealing bandwidth in the first place, this never would have happened.

Addresses and phone numbers should not have been posted. When you're willing to harrass someone in real life is when you've taken a game too far.

Doc Flabby - Sun Mar 05, 2006 10:08 am
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when someone loses there job over this game its no longer just in game is it.

No he shouldnt have used the server.
Like my mate shouldnt give me free drinks when im at the bar he works in.
And like people should pay TAX on ALL their income.
And you SHOULDNT download music or movies.

Anonymous - Sun Mar 05, 2006 10:23 am
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Doc Flabby wrote:

Way to live in a fantasy land. Go fuck yourself.

Cyan~Fire - Sun Mar 05, 2006 10:56 am
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Lear, do you have to be such a douchebag?

The most obvious fallacy of your post is that you can't "just put it on a new server." Have you even been paying attention to the $800/month estimates? I'm sure you could cut that off the CEO's salary and he wouldn't even notice.

But wait, there's more! The bandwidth used by SSCX was (as already stated) a minute fraction of the bandwidth this hosting corporation has, and he wasn't even using any company servers, he provided the boxes. I really doubt whether this was illegal (as you keep parroting) and I'd say definitely not immoral.

SpecShip - Sun Mar 05, 2006 11:13 am
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LearJett+ wrote:

If so many people liked SSX so much why doesn't someone just put it on a new server?

Stupid, SSX was a NETWORK, it's not just a zone you can throw it on another server.
SSX was comprised of two boxes connected to C&W mainstream.
Meaning it enjoyed a high end bandwidth, with many peer2peering points.
Thus, not only it could offer decent flow for thousands simultaneous connections, it also could handle westren hemesphere-wide connections (north america, south america, europe, africa, and even a bit of the east) and still route them in rather decently as well as offer rerouting solutions when routers around fell (or like when we had that blackout when one of the tier1 ISPs decided to kill its peering with one of the 3rd tiers) not to even mention overcome being DDoSed without even blinking.
It's not for nothing that the estimated cost of the bandwidth consumption roughs up starting at $800 and upto $2,000 at "crisis" times.
It's not that you actually needed constant 100mbit/month, we probably didn't peak it that harshly, but it's because the redundancy was needed as often strains arose.

Vorbis - Sun Mar 05, 2006 11:16 am
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I'm sure that all the zones effected will find some hosting somewhere eventually.

I'm more concerned about xal. Prime, if you've cost him his job you better head for the hills and live the rest of your life in a cave.

SpecShip - Sun Mar 05, 2006 11:17 am
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Prime is headed for the nearest graveyard.
pet virus, phone vectorboy, you're off to a head hunt.

LearJett+ - Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:19 pm
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Quote:

The bandwidth used by SSCX was (as already stated) a minute fraction of the bandwidth this hosting corporation has

And if the rest of the thousands of employees used the same minute fraction of bandwidth...?

Quote:

It's not for nothing that the estimated cost of the bandwidth consumption roughs up starting at $800 and upto $2,000 at "crisis" times.

This is money that he was stealing from them every month for ten years.

Quote:

I really doubt whether this was illegal (as you keep parroting) and I'd say definitely not immoral.

Stealing isn't illegal or immoral?

Cerium - Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:49 pm
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LearJett, tomarrow morning when youre waiting at the bus stop to go back to elementry school, please 'fall' infront the bus and get run over.

LearJett+ - Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:54 pm
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Here come the flames and misspellings. I shouldn't expect anymore, though.

i88gerbils - Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:12 pm
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wtf.

Time to dust off the CotFC.

newb - Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:34 pm
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Cerium wrote:

LearJett, tomarrow morning when youre waiting at the bus stop to go back to elementry school, please 'fall' infront the bus and get run over.

Lmfao.

Anonymous - Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:36 pm
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LearJett+ wrote:

Are you some sort of retard? Getting someone fired isn't going too far?

i88gerbils - Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:37 pm
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Hey, ummm, we probably need a new asss page.

LearJett+ - Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:38 pm
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If you don't follow the rules, you get busted. That's life.

SpecShip - Sun Mar 05, 2006 2:11 pm
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i88gerbils wrote:

Time to dust off the CotFC.

Should I get conspiracy theory online?

Anyway, learjett, I hope you get SSC net ban.
If you're such a dick, you don't deserve to be on this game in the first place.
I mean, come on, even cerium has more sense and that says A LOT.

Anonymous - Sun Mar 05, 2006 2:39 pm
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LearJett+ wrote:

Here come the flames and misspellings. I shouldn't expect anymore, though.

He had permission from his boss to run the servers, the company he worked for was bought out by another company. It was this new comapny that pulled the plug on SSCX. So he wasn't stealing anything as he had permission from his management to host the server.

Now kindly fuck off and die.

sil - Sun Mar 05, 2006 2:43 pm
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as Polix posted on ssforum:

Facts:
1. A player in Powerball by the name prime had made constant threats to have SSCX shutdown.
2. This player contacted Savvis and told them they had a security threat in their network and provided them the IPs of SSCX, thus, they fixed those problems, thereby shutting SSCX down.

http://www.ssforum.net/index.php?act=announce&f=1&id=10

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as Mr Ekted posted in this thread:

FYI: Everything SpecShip said is true, except that it's Savvis not C&W, and the bandwidth being used was at least silently accepted by xal's direct boss. It was simply against corporate policy. So when C&W took over, then subsequently Savvis, they just continued doing it. For a company like them, it was less than 0.000001% of their pipe.

http://forums.minegoboom.com/viewtopic.php?t=6055&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

If this information is true, and I have no reason to believe they are not telling the truth, then it was accepted that he could do this even though it was against corporate policy. As long as it didn't cause problems I'm sure it was fine for him to do so. But as Polix stated prime reported it as a securyt threat so of course they are going to react poorly and quickly to shut them down since they probably have no idea what subspace is. So stop trying to make it out like Xal was stealing and got what was coming or some crap.

phong - Sun Mar 05, 2006 2:55 pm
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Cerium wrote:

Ok, seriously, what caused prime to go all bipolar like phong?

I never went bipolar, we all know your the bipolar one

Besides, I was perm banned from ssc for taking down premiers bots for maybe an hour. Prime took down half of subspace and probably isnt perm banned

Sad.

phong - Sun Mar 05, 2006 2:58 pm
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The best bet for the zones from sscx is to each find a new server and balance the load.

SpecShip - Sun Mar 05, 2006 3:01 pm
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Host me a server phong!

Anonymous - Sun Mar 05, 2006 3:18 pm
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I said if anyone needed a server I would colo 1 (has to be 1u), for 50/mo, I could probably keep it at the price as long as it stayed under 1mb sustained (10mb burstable).

Cerium - Sun Mar 05, 2006 3:27 pm
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phong wrote:

I never went bipolar, we all know your the bipolar one

Besides, I was perm banned from ssc for taking down premiers bots for maybe an hour. Prime took down half of subspace and probably isnt perm banned

Sad.

No, you were permbanned from Permier for taking down prem bots, giving out bot/op passwords and other general douche baggary. You were permbanned from SSC when you started using multiple machines to bypass your ban and braging about doing so.
And while my moods may range from slightly irritated to very irritated, I have never done anything that would be a detriment to this or any community. You, on the other hand, have shown that if you dont get your way, you will lash out like our buddy prime here to get back at everyone in any way you can.

Please find a shotgun, swallow the barrel and pull the trigger you genetic disaster.

Anonymous - Sun Mar 05, 2006 3:47 pm
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EG Is BACK UP ON A SERVER!

Anonymous - Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:23 pm
Post subject: I'm going to harass that address

I sent a box of Poop to Prime's house, and a bunch of letters with dead spiders in it. next is lighting his house on fire

Anonymous - Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:25 pm
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oh and that is proabably his moms house HAHAHAHAH

Doc Flabby - Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:07 pm
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Anonymous wrote:

[..]

way to live in a fantasy land. Go fuck yourself.

Learn to read

Confess - Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:50 pm
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Learjet, if you've ever worked at a fast food restraunt, I assume that you've taken some food and eaten it, for FREE. Thus, it is stealing, right?

Has anyone ever given you something free out of curtousy? Thus, it is stealing? No?

You thief.

Anonymous - Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:14 pm
Post subject: it's prime's real info

1. it's prime's real info
2. if the # has changed, it's cause he changed it.

-from a guy who would know.

Mine GO BOOM - Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:35 pm
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Well, I only have a few minutes, but damn. This sucks ass. SSCX had all the good zones too..

Agurus - Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:19 pm
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It's all good now prtk finally came on and is now hosting all SSCX zones (well atleast EG atm)

Cyan~Fire - Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:07 pm
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LearJett: Have you ever used a public school internet connection for email? For looking up games? For porn? Have you ever used your parents' internet connection for something they don't approve of (no matter how minute, because apparently everything counts)? Have you ever used the computer when your parents didn't want you to?

Go off and die, stupid thief.

Muskrat - Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:43 pm
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Not everyone loves porn and warez as much as you, Cyan.

LearJett+ - Sun Mar 05, 2006 10:20 pm
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Cyan have you ever stolen thousands of dollars from the company you work for? Your mother? Your dog?

Confess wrote:

Learjet, if you've ever worked at a fast food restraunt, I assume that you've taken some food and eaten it, for FREE. Thus, it is stealing, right?

No.

Confess wrote:

Has anyone ever given you something free out of curtousy? Thus, it is stealing? No?

If someone gives you something for free it's not stealing. That's why it's called giving, idiot. Anyways, if his job would have given him the bandwidth free, he wouldn't get fired. Duh.

Cyan~Fire - Sun Mar 05, 2006 11:51 pm
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I'll take your lack of answer as a yes, Lear. And my answer to your question is no. I don't work, by the way.

But I see the point you're trying to make and that is that Xal's action was far worse than anything you've ever done. But thinking of the effect on the company, it was about equal to you downloading one picture of a naked girl in your life on your parents' connection.

Anonymous - Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:42 am
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stealing can be morally okay.

for example, stealing food from, say, some company's large forgotten foodstores (that would have otherwise rotted) to feed a starving family.

i'm not saying (yet) that SSCX's hosting is an analogous case. nor am I going to get into an argument about whether or not there are any fundamental ethical principles. (because if there were, it would probably be morally wrong to make death threats at prime, or whomever it is you think possesses that screen name)

i'm just saying that prime didn't act out of any moral duty, to uphold anti-theft law or something like that. prime acted out of spite. or recklessness. or selfishness. or all three, who can be certain?

i'm not angry with prime. i actually thought he had an acute perspective on some fundamental aspects of powerball. hell, i even thought he could add something to the game.

i'm just disappointed.

Mr Ekted - Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:35 am
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Anonymous wrote:

i'm just saying that prime didn't act out of any moral duty, to uphold anti-theft law or something like that. prime acted out of spite. or recklessness. or selfishness. or all three, who can be certain?

And he enjoyed the use of this "stolen" bandwidth for years while being a total ass about 99% of the time. PB is about as tolerant a zone as you could have, but if you had pointed a gun at my head and told me to ban someone, it would have been prime. So he's done us all a favor in some ways.

Anonymous - Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:35 am
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It indeed is very sad that SSCX was brought down, but I see fault at both sides. The guy working at the hosting company shouldn't have stole the bandwidth for a game such as subspace. Yes it made a good 500 people happy, but they would've been able to live without it. If you have internet access at home it would mean you don't have to worry about food. The 800-2200 dollars could've been spent better. Prime is at fault for being an asshole. From what I can see Prime wanted to be in a position of power the xanthier fellow (or whatever you may call him) didn't allow it so he blackmailed him. This whole situation is really retarded, and sad.

In short:
Stealing is bad, stealing to give 500 people in first world countries who could probably live without it is really sad. Blackmailing someone in a game, and costing him his job just for a position of power in a 2d spaceship is just faggish. In other words Prime should be harassed into insanity, and Xan brought this all upon himself.

Smong - Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:04 am
Post subject: crisis averted

SpecShip - Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:12 am
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GG smong, you've gone spyed level.

First of all, on the account of stealing bandwidth: Alex> Xal was upfront to his bosses about it 34 years ago, changed hands since then.

Next, on the account of SSX made 500 people happy, wrong, it made thousands happy.
True that population overall dropped steeply in the past years, but it still counts for all the hits it had for all the years it had them.
Also, while a zone may sport 50, 100 or 500 players at once, it doesn't mean they're the same people.
People log off, people log in, different people play at different time zones.
At its prime, SSX catred to around 20,000 people, and I'm not exagurating.
And even nowdays it served a good thousand or few.
So if prime is turned into a most wanted in canada I won't be suprised one bit.

phong - Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:29 am
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Cerium wrote:

[..]

No, you were permbanned from Permier for taking down prem bots, giving out bot/op passwords and other general douche baggary. You were permbanned from SSC when you started using multiple machines to bypass your ban and braging about doing so.
And while my moods may range from slightly irritated to very irritated, I have never done anything that would be a detriment to this or any community. You, on the other hand, have shown that if you dont get your way, you will lash out like our buddy prime here to get back at everyone in any way you can.

Please find a shotgun, swallow the barrel and pull the trigger you genetic disaster.

Me not getting my way was you not unbanning me in the first place, that is how the entire thing started. Even so what I did was good enough for a premier ban, not an ssc net ban which is what prime deserves and btw, I did and still, only use 1 machine to evade all my bans. gg <3 u

Cerium - Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:56 am
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Shut up, stupid.

Witchie NL - Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:23 am
Post subject: oh god

you guys are giving this noob wat to mutch attention he doesnt deserve it...

LearJett+ - Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:40 pm
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Cyan~Fire wrote:

I see your point, too. I don't personally think that stealing is that bad. However, if you're going to steal from your job, don't be surprised if you get fired. Downloading music, etc, from an internet connection is different for the sole reason that I'm not stealing the music or internet connection time from my job.

i88gerbils - Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:57 pm
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It wasn't theft. The verbal agreement ended. If it was theft he would be held liable for the bandwidth use.

LearJett+ - Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:46 pm
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If it wasn't theft then he wouldn't get fired. Problem solved.

D1st0rt - Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:17 pm
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Because the world is so black and white, Learplus

LearJett+ - Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:53 pm
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Then he'll just sue if they fire him for no good reason, D1s0wnz0rzl33t4ax0rztort.

Muskrat - Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:16 pm
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Uh oh, don't provoke the d1st0rt1n8or. Besides, did he even get fired?

Purge - Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:01 pm
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Interesting:

Quote:

All SSCX Zones are BACK! Please update zone lists and thanks for your patience. (Thanks to Priitk for hosting too!) - Ghost & Passplay
1:Jakkin> wow
Purge+> ?find priitk
Not online, last seen 10 hours ago
5:Muslum> wow
1:Purge+> holy crap
5:Purge+> .?find PriitK
1:angel+> eeeew
5:Purge+> he's BAAAAACK
5:Muslum> lol
angel+> .help
angel+> .lp
5:Muslum> i think that name has been hacked multiple times

LearJett+ - Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:24 pm
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Muskrat wrote:

did he even get fired?

I think it was all hearsay.

Does anyone think Priit will actually stay around?

Purge - Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:48 pm
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Word is that he has the new client 60% done and the new server 50% done (according to Death+).

Gus. - Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:35 am
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Priit isnt working on that SS3d crap is he? The demo sucked balls, sry if anyone on this is creating it. Continuum2 Woot.

Anonymous - Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:12 am
Post subject: someday one of us will find you.

prime wrote:

someday one of us will find you. you must have no idea how serious some people take this game.

Smong - Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:24 am
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Purge+ wrote:

Word is that he has the new client 60% done and the new server 50% done (according to Death+).

Those figures don't mean anything.

BlueGoku - Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:09 pm
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A little off topic, but priitk is working on a new server as well? Any info on that?

D1st0rt - Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:07 pm
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Well he would have to go back and modify subgame to be compatible with the new version of continuum.

BlueGoku - Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:13 pm
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That would be a given, but it sounded like he might actually be improving it.

Smong - Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:22 pm
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Something like a new map format perhaps.... It's more likely just more security features that the new version of the client provides. Less cheating = improvement?

Donkano - Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:00 pm
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Checksum cycles on items and energy would prevents memory hacks in those 2 fields.

As well the option to make it so the user can't be in 2 ships at once (memory hacking again)

Cyan~Fire - Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:49 pm
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Has anyone ever been able to memory hack continuum while connected to a zone?

D1st0rt - Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:22 pm
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I think I remember seeing it firsthand.

Dr Brain - Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:21 pm
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Yes, Cyan. I've seen it done with some really spectacular results.

Donkano - Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:20 pm
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Cyan~Fire wrote:

Has anyone ever been able to memory hack continuum while connected to a zone?

Yep, I have. Just ask catid, he saw me do it first hand in my own zone in a priavte arena.

newb - Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:36 pm
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WOW UR SO UBER LEET DONKANO

SpecShip - Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:50 am
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1) The only "cheating" people do in the game is the obscene amounts of lag that's been going both ways or sometimes people who really use torrents and what not to jack it up sheepishly.

2) Twister has been modified to work successfuly with continuum v0.38, but due to lazyness it didn't make it to v0.39pr1.
Har Har Har

Dr Brain - Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:53 am
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SpecShip wrote:

1) The only "cheating" people do in the game is the obscene amounts of lag that's been going both ways or sometimes people who really use torrents and what not to jack it up sheepishly.

Wrong.

This comes to mind:

SpecShip - Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:58 am
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That newbie been trying to use script kiddie hax and lag cheats since the first day I laid eyes on him in your hyperspace zone, I'm wondering how come he hasn't been net banned to date, or at least banned localy.
Also, ASSS is succiptble to twister since it allows VIE, so, there.
Maybe someone gave him *super, could happen.

Also, regarding whats that guy said in chat, you can't use softice in a zone you don't own, you get red flags trigger all over.

Mr Ekted - Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:28 pm
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SpecShip wrote:

Also, regarding whats that guy said in chat, you can't use softice in a zone you don't own, you get red flags trigger all over.

Softice is easy to hide from programs looking for it.

Dr Brain - Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:22 pm
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SpecShip wrote:

He was both netbanned and locally banned.

SpecShip wrote:

Also, ASSS is succiptble to twister since it allows VIE, so, there.

That screen shot was from Trench Wars. And Hyperspace doesn't allow non-staff VIE.

SpecShip wrote:

Maybe someone gave him *super, could happen.

In Trench Wars? Not likely.

SpecShip wrote:

Also, regarding whats that guy said in chat, you can't use softice in a zone you don't own, you get red flags trigger all over.

Apparently you're not the expert on cheating you think you are.

SpecShip - Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:29 pm
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Everything can be done if you know enough, what's new?
Continuum has been hacked before as well.
So what?
Bottom line, cheating isn't nor ever was an epidemic.
The only reason back in '99 that people were so histeric about it was because they had no clue how to use proper banning tools and *kill was easily avoided.
So this nerd went gay in TW, and was probably banned shortly thereafter.
Case closed.

I could go and use this to take a jab at cont, after all the gay shit SSC been jamming, namely bd vine, perhaps you too ekted, but frankly, I don't give a rat's ass nor a toad's gill.
So, screw it all.
SSX is dead anyway, trench box is lagging all over europe and lamers/laggers are as rampant and unchecked as ever, so why bother.

Good night, party's over - go home.

newb - Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:08 pm
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You really are an idiot.

SpecShip - Sun Mar 12, 2006 4:20 am
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You are one to speak.
Go home newbie.

i88gerbils - Sun Mar 12, 2006 3:20 pm
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You probably don't remember 1999 or 1998 very well.

SpecShip - Sun Mar 12, 2006 3:36 pm
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Do I?
I seem to recall people who hadn't a clue about blockip.txt and permission mode in sysop positions heading many a zone which wheped with terror in face of their incompetence, yes.

Muskrat - Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:24 pm
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I think he meant that cheating was indeed pretty rampant. Most ppl I played with then had twister.

Wept.

Dr Brain - Sun Mar 12, 2006 9:32 pm
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I certaintly remember those days.

Grav seems to have given himself some kind of brain washing. Everything before Continuum was perfect and great, and everything after is a knockoff of something that existed in the VIE days. There was never a reason to create Continuum, because VIE would have lasted forever, or some such BS. Oh, and everyone that thinks differently is a n00b and a moron.

Cyan~Fire - Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:24 pm
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Time for a wiki article on Gravitron, perhaps?

SpecShip - Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:40 am
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Yes, wept, thank you muskrat, I knew I screwed up big time there but was in a rush and felt too lazy to find out the proper spelling.

It was wide-spread, however, only due to the ignorance of those who were put in place to make halt of such attempts to begin with.

EG had no problem and adapted quickly.
Gemini Dream, who you all love to hate, also had the wit to adjust his zones to the new situation and put a stop to the cheating.

The tools were always there, simply, too many had no idea of them or how to make proper use of them.

Also, Brain, thank you for the lovely trash talking.
Sad that you've degenerated back down to spyed idiocy level after you've progressed upwards so well.
Please keep the shitty bullshitting/dissing to yourself in the future.

Altec - Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:30 pm
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Plans are in place to get SSCX back to the west coast. Were still waiting to see what priit says.

The server is up, named New SSCX Test Server.

i88gerbils - Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:15 am
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EG adapted by going permission only. I call that gay. I dislike signing up for things. Of course banning whole subnets wasn't fun either.

Retire the X already. Call it W for West side and get the republican seal of approval at the sametime.

"Dubya for Subspace"

SpecShip - Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:15 am
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I don't recall having to sign up for anything; Are you perhaps confusing with WLI/USD?
At EG the permission mode was set to use to allow entry but use permit.txt for playing, so you were locked in spec upon joining.
The moderators were there, plenty of them at that, and you simply asked to join, if you weren't on the black list, you were Okayed in (added you to the permit.txt, so you can enter the game automaticaly).
Via *info it was relatively easy to tell who's who.

People still get cought up in bans today.
You have the same capability to ban any specific IP or 'specific' IP range as you wish today that you had back then.
The 'only' (most prominent feature?) difference BanG brings is that it automates the process for you and links up different IPs/Aliases etc. information on its own logic as well as allowing mods and smods to affect IP bans of the sort while restricting their IP-ban ranges to predefinied limits.

Well, it might be sentimental?
Xalimar didn't want W becuse it sounded 'gay' to him, so he kept it SSX/SSCX throughout the years.
I guess now it can change?

LoL @ the republican comment.

BDwinsAlt - Wed Mar 15, 2006 9:19 am
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prime wrote:

Thats not what his ISP told me? :roll: :p

i88gerbils - Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:56 am
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I guess it was my mistake. I never really played EG because I thought it was a hassle getting in. I thought I remember trying to play once, i don't know why, and not being able to enter the zone because of "permission only". It was probably just a fluke at sometime and I just never tried again until BanG came out.

sil - Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:24 am
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i88gerbils wrote:

I remember what you are talking about happening, I just dont remember which zone(s). I remember not being able to enter a zone because it said I needed permission in a little dialog box.

SpecShip - Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:52 am
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Probably the Pro League server, it was this way for quite some long time actualy, until they decided to open it up to the general public (squads were moaning about not having enough people online at same time to conduct pracs).

During the twister storms, USD/WLI also closed off like this, IIRC.
There were a few others as well.